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4 years 11 months ago #3922 by Kristin Darken
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The difference between a regular mage and a ki mage is like the difference between an Energizer blaster and an Energizer brick.

The both of a small internal source of energy and a large external one that complements and adds to their internal source. But one of them uses that energy to fill up a tank that can be tapped to create external effects. The other uses that energy constantly throughout their body to create internal effects. Both 'technically' have the ability to do both internal and external stuff, but the way they go about it is different and mainly depends on either having that fuel tank available or on having their body adapted to handle the constant flow of energies through the body.

What has kept Chaka alive where other ki mages fail is that her energy flows work naturally in a balanced format... the energy is both pushed and pulled through its patterns. Where ki mages often fail is that it is all about one side... either push or pull. In a push only system, energy flows in, fills all the channels and has to escape to somewhere... so you are always constantly burning energy just to keep from being cooked alive from the inside. Pull driven ki mages would basically consume themselves they would either have erratic control as one ability siphoned off strength for another, or they would try to pull power in from vital sources.

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4 years 11 months ago #3957 by Malady
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Kristin Darken wrote: The difference between a regular mage and a ki mage is like the difference between an Energizer blaster and an Energizer brick.

The both of a small internal source of energy and a large external one that complements and adds to their internal source. But one of them uses that energy to fill up a tank that can be tapped to create external effects. The other uses that energy constantly throughout their body to create internal effects. Both 'technically' have the ability to do both internal and external stuff, but the way they go about it is different and mainly depends on either having that fuel tank available or on having their body adapted to handle the constant flow of energies through the body.

What has kept Chaka alive where other ki mages fail is that her energy flows work naturally in a balanced format... the energy is both pushed and pulled through its patterns. Where ki mages often fail is that it is all about one side... either push or pull. In a push only system, energy flows in, fills all the channels and has to escape to somewhere... so you are always constantly burning energy just to keep from being cooked alive from the inside. Pull driven ki mages would basically consume themselves they would either have erratic control as one ability siphoned off strength for another, or they would try to pull power in from vital sources.


Oh? ... So, Push-style ki mages must be constantly using their power or they die? While Pull-stylers have to operate in weak bursts or they die? And this is a fundamental part of their mutation/nature, or with training, they can improve their abilities and not be restricted into those basic power-management techniques, and not kill themselves...

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4 years 11 months ago #3994 by Mister D
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Kristin Darken wrote: The difference between a regular mage and a ki mage is like the difference between an Energizer blaster and an Energizer brick.

The both of a small internal source of energy and a large external one that complements and adds to their internal source. But one of them uses that energy to fill up a tank that can be tapped to create external effects. The other uses that energy constantly throughout their body to create internal effects. Both 'technically' have the ability to do both internal and external stuff, but the way they go about it is different and mainly depends on either having that fuel tank available or on having their body adapted to handle the constant flow of energies through the body.

What has kept Chaka alive where other ki mages fail is that her energy flows work naturally in a balanced format... the energy is both pushed and pulled through its patterns. Where ki mages often fail is that it is all about one side... either push or pull. In a push only system, energy flows in, fills all the channels and has to escape to somewhere... so you are always constantly burning energy just to keep from being cooked alive from the inside. Pull driven ki mages would basically consume themselves they would either have erratic control as one ability siphoned off strength for another, or they would try to pull power in from vital sources.


But there's also the different forms of Ki. The basic ki that's yours for day-to-day use, and the longer-term ki-levels (Shen?) that affects how healthy you are, and the extremely long-term flavour that is used to define your lifespan. Keeping the last one topped up makes you an Immortal. (Badly paraphrased from the Bladedancer stories, and as much reading of taoist alchemy as i was able to do without learning ancient chinese.)


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4 years 11 months ago #4001 by Kristin Darken
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That's a bit like talking about the bloodstream ... and then having someone come in and say wait... are you talking about this without referencing hemoglobin and plasma? And then there's...

That's human beings making things more complicated than they have to be.

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4 years 11 months ago #4002 by Mister D
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Everyone who is touched by the Weaver does that.

The pattern of complication/simplification, and modelling changes between different concentrations of entropy/syntropy are both good fits for a Yin-Yang model.


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4 years 11 months ago #4003 by Mister D
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There's a really nice fractal model used for building a life-ship, in Subdream's Raum Zeit,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHNZpGMtK6k

Chewy soundtrack too.


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4 years 8 months ago #9736 by Malady
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So... Given this:

E. E. Nalley wrote: For example; it is entirely possible for a student in mystic algebra to go through a series of complex computations, arrive at an answer that is mathematically incorrect, and still have their spell work.

Likewise, it seems that for energizers... it is not so much but how many calories were eaten, but does the Energizer "feel" like they ate enough.


So, for Mystic Algebra Magic, it's not precisely about having the correct math, and more about how much effort the mage put in, I guess?

Although, there might need to be a consensus that the math is at least sort of right, in its process, or else the spell fails...

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4 years 8 months ago #9737 by E. E. Nalley
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Malady wrote: So... Given this:
So, for Mystic Algebra Magic, it's not precisely about having the correct math, and more about how much effort the mage put in, I guess?

Although, there might need to be a consensus that the math is at least sort of right, in its process, or else the spell fails...


As far as the math goes, it's more important that the mage understand the process, then whether or not the numbers plug through it came out right. I know that's counter-intuitive, it's one of the reasons why the logic guys are all bald it's from pulling their hair out when the mages try to explain this. So even though a computer could generate the correct number, and do so far quicker than any mage could work the Mystic algebra, the right number isn't what's important. What's important is that the mage understands the system the numbers are going through.

Don't think on it too hard; you'll lose your hair. :whistle:

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4 years 8 months ago #9738 by Phoenix Spiritus
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Or:
"It's a state of mind, not a physics problem. Once you are in the correct state of mind you can do anything"
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4 years 8 months ago #9766 by Arcanist Lupus
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Tom Lehrer wrote: But in the new [math] approach, as you know, the important thing is to understand what you're doing, rather than to get the right answer.


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