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9 months 3 weeks ago - 9 months 3 weeks ago #66376 by Bek D Corbin
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Oh, MAN have you opened up a can of worms!

Yes, power armor is considered a vehicle, and not only do you have to register it, but you have to have a license to operate it. It is not a weapon. If it is loaded with a weapon or weapons, they are registered as weapons. Whateley tech heads get around a lot of this junk as they are 'prototypes' that are only recognized as either vehicles, weapons or power tools at some arcane point I don't even want to touch on. As for the licensing agency, that is a point of much furious discussion at the Federal, State and Local levels; contact your local DMV for the current state of jurisdiction. Expect much runaround. Do NOT, I repeat NOT go to the DMV in your frame, let alone stand in line with it, DMV security officers have even less sense of humor than the window jockeys do.

As for the sidewalk issue, as in most things, it depends on the particulars. For instance, WHY were you walking down the street in power armor in the first place?

As for the transforming vehicles, you don't need separate registration for the modes, but you do need appropriate license to operate each mode. As for the suitcase mode, you don't need a license, but you should notify the licensing agency (whichever it is this month), of the distinct alternate mode. Especially if it's weaponized.
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9 months 3 weeks ago #66378 by null0trooper
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Bek D Corbin wrote: Yes, power armor is considered a vehicle, and not only do you have to register it, but you have to have a license to operate it. It is not a weapon. If it is loaded with a weapon or weapons, they are registered as weapons. Whateley tech heads get around a lot of this junk as they are 'prototypes'


Florida's Application for Certificate of Title With/Without Registration has a section for "Brands, Usage, and Type". The checkboxed options include some you'd expect, but also "assembled from parts", "rebuilt", "kit car", "glider kit", "replica", "flood", "autonomous","street rod", and "Custom".

In theory, I could park the Jupiter 2 in the parking lot of a FL DMV office for VIN or Engine number verification, walk in with a bill of sale, and eventually fly out with Florida plates. It IS a mobile home AND a vessel (both of which use the same form) after all. Before anyone asks, NASA would go through GSA.

The FAA is understandably twitchy with their licensing requirements.
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The important thing to keep in mind is your local zoning. Zoning enforcement doesn't have much oversight, and the penalties for a violation might not be capped.

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9 months 3 weeks ago #66381 by Bek D Corbin
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AND, remember, if it can fly AT ALL, the FAA will be the issuing agency, and they are VERY picky
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9 months 3 weeks ago #66382 by Sir Lee
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Also, check one of the early Tennyo stories for her early-morning Flight class, in which much of it is discussed.

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9 months 3 weeks ago #66390 by Kettlekorn
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CrazyMinh wrote: How exactly do you even register a suit of power armour? Do you just clank down to the nearest DMV, walk up to the counter clad in what is essentially a walking weapon, and just get a license plate slapped on your ass? Do power armour operators need to carry a drivers license?

I don't know how you do things in Australia, but in the USA it is considered terribly uncouth to bring your vehicle inside the DMV. And if the vehicle isn't registered at all yet, you're going to be safer towing or hauling it to the DMV than driving it there. Driving an unregistered vehicle is usually a crime even if you're only driving it to the DMV to get it registered (though I'm sure there are states with exceptions; seems like something Montana would do).

With regards to sidewalks, those will vary by city or even neighborhood, not just by state.

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9 months 3 weeks ago #66393 by lighttech
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Then add ALL over the above everyone mentioned to this

Registering a MECH in California!

"Does the engine pollute even a tad?" if yes====required smog check and testing!

"does it fly..?" Smog check on that engine!

"Can it pollute?" === state EPA regs will be an issue!

"Is it insured!?"===ohh boy costs!

then add sales taxes you pay at registration a MULTI million dollar MECH

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9 months 3 weeks ago #66394 by Astrodragon
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I dont think I'd try registering anything other than a carrot in California.
And it had better be an organic, free-range carrot

I love watching their innocent little faces smiling happily as they trip gaily down the garden path, before finding the pit with the rusty spikes.
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9 months 3 weeks ago #66397 by lighttech
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Astrodragon wrote: I dont think I'd try registering anything other than a carrot in California.
And it had better be an organic, free-range carrot


Whoops...you are ALREADY IN VAST, DEEP, HUGE, IMMENSE trouble

you pulled the carrot out of the ground and moved it from ITS habitat AND did you even ask it if IT wanted that!

You assaulted that carrot!

Maimed it by ripping it out from ITS roots!

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9 months 3 weeks ago #66398 by lighttech
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I WAS from California and I know...the above would be true!

I heard this one

In Malibu a man was trying to build a house on the beach for over 10 years, going back and forth over beach set back, road set back, distance from the other homes, height and over 2 years on a color....white! what 'white to use???

well it was down to the wire, the LAST meeting and a new guy on the permit board says this shit

"Well last might I dreamed I was a seagull and flew over your lot and after that dream I think your home should look like sea shell nestled in seaweed...can we see some plans for that?"

well the poor home builder lost it...JUMPED over the boards table and BEAT the shit out of the guy!

after they pulled him off...the board member said "I am not pressing charges...I earned the beating...WHAT was I thinking!" (at least he had honor for a nut!)

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9 months 1 week ago #66551 by elrodw
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"What's this blocking part of my visor?"

"Your safety inspection sticker."

"And the other one?"

"Your annual license tag."

"Then why did you put plates on the front and back?"

"Licensing requirements. Gotta be legible to law enforcement from 70 feet."

"And blinkers? On the shoulders? Where I mount my weapons?"

"Regulations. And you've got 5 working days to mount front and rear bumpers."

"Bumpers?!?!?!?"

"Minimum 6" protrusion, able to absorb a 5 mph impact, between 18 and 24 inches above the ground."

Eye roll. "Screw this! I'll license it as an off-road vehicle."

"Okay, then let's talk about your roll bars and skid plates....."

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