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3 months 3 weeks ago #69111 by elrodw
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If Kayda made fifty or sixty of her special tea, then consumed them quite rapidly, the cumulative boost to her essence would undoubtedly overwhelmed her control and result in a lot of hobgoblins - possibly shaped like miniature bisons or snake-demons. Or even Lakota horsemen with bows.

It would be bad.

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3 months 3 weeks ago #69112 by Astrodragon
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How about tiny technicolour sparkly winged bison?

I love watching their innocent little faces smiling happily as they trip gaily down the garden path, before finding the pit with the rusty spikes.

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3 months 3 weeks ago #69121 by Sir Lee
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elrodw wrote: If Kayda made fifty or sixty of her special tea, then consumed them quite rapidly, the cumulative boost to her essence would undoubtedly overwhelmed her control and result in a lot of hobgoblins - possibly shaped like miniature bisons or snake-demons. Or even Lakota horsemen with bows.

It would be bad.


Sixty cups of tea? Yeah, it would be bad. Like "get out of my way, I need to go to the bathroom NOW" bad.

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2 months 3 weeks ago - 2 months 3 weeks ago #69404 by Heckfire
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Kristin Darken wrote: Remember, mages get hobgoblins from a Well that is full beyond their mental discipline's ability to contain it but its not the only thing that can happen. Mages are also susceptible to 'least wishes'... which amounts to localized wish fulfillment as randomly spilled out Essence tries to take shape around ANY intent. Just remember its very small amounts of Essence spilling over at any given time, so they are 'least' wishes... very tiny amounts of fulfillment, or larger intents incompletely fulfilled.

Hmm...so are hobgoblins an inevitability in cases of essence overflow?

Case in point: the "hitchhiking space wizard" I mentioned elsewhere can generate essence, but is young, inexperienced, and not exactly strong-willed or exceedingly bright (anymore, at least...the spells she does know were basically written into her brain by the entity that changed her). While she can consume excess essence as a means of surviving hostile environments, it's basically like drinking from a running garden hose, what she can't just sorta spills out everywhere.

...so does that mean every time she generates essence, the others on whatever planet or station she's on suddenly suffer a plague of, like, rainbow-colored faerie mice? I mean...I can work with this, if that is the case.
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2 months 3 weeks ago #69408 by null0trooper
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Heckfire wrote:

Kristin Darken wrote: Remember, mages get hobgoblins from a Well that is full beyond their mental discipline's ability to contain it but its not the only thing that can happen. Mages are also susceptible to 'least wishes'... which amounts to localized wish fulfillment as randomly spilled out Essence tries to take shape around ANY intent. Just remember its very small amounts of Essence spilling over at any given time, so they are 'least' wishes... very tiny amounts of fulfillment, or larger intents incompletely fulfilled.

Hmm...so are hobgoblins an inevitability in cases of essence overflow?


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"Mages practice creating power gems and other devices to store Essence - in a way that doesn't take mental focus and Will to keep from wasting." Mrs. Chulkris looked at Kayda, as if her next words were intended primarily for the Lakota girl. "The first area of focus for magic students is holding Essence. Just because there's a natural source replenishing the Essence, it's no excuse to not practice diligently in mental focus and Will to keep all their essence. Unlike baseline mages, mutant mages are attuned to naturally gather Essence from one of the several natural sources - so much so, in fact, that new mutant Wiz students are sometimes sloppy about learning discipline and control of their Will, and as a result, they almost never have enough Will to hold large amounts of Essence in their Well. Mutant mages can almost always hold much more Essence in their Wells than a baseline apprentice - if they are properly trained. If not, the extra Essence spills out all around the student, mostly harmlessly."

"Is that like Nikki's hobgoblins?" Kayda asked.

"That, and subtle effects of probabilities around you, or several other effects. It can create an overwhelming desire to cast spells - like a safety valve trying to let off the extra Essence burning in your Well. Kayda," Mrs. Chulkris asked, "can you explain how a Wiz rating affects your available Essence?"


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2 months 3 weeks ago #69412 by Softdreams
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[/quote] Hmm...so are hobgoblins an inevitability in cases of essence overflow? [/quote]

Yes, it is definitely one of the many possible outcomes that might result from Essence overflow, but there are many others.

Kristin Darken wrote: Ah... by 'natural spell' you're talking about something that is a spell-like innate ability using Essence that they just 'know' how to do without learning it.

This is similar to 'creating' hobgoblins in the sense that magic doesn't need complex spell casting to cause an effect. As long as you supply an intent to Essence under your control, it will act on that intent. Of course, intent is a wiggly squirmy thing with lots of ways for the energy to drain out of its control ... and like electricity, Essence is always going to take the least resistance path to 'ground.' And hobgoblins aren't the only 'overfull' Well problem. Spilling uncontrolled Essence produces hobgoblins... but an undisciplined Mage with uncontrolled abundance of Essence will find it being burned off by 'least wishes'... anything that you might 'want' for the briefest of moments counts as an intent for the purpose of loose Essence.

For baseline Mages, this is less often an issue... apprentices spend years training their will to be ready to hold Essence firmly in their Well long before they are granted enough Essence to light their Well. And with continued work on their discipline through their journeyman years as they accumulate Essence and invest it into collection systems, there are few times they come near to having spillage or uncontrolled Essence for this to happen. But with Wizard class mutants, excess Essence long before they have the discipline to control it? Almost guaranteed. So Wiz class mutants do lots of 'unintended' non-spell things. Like glow. Have glamour-like effects (they want people to like or fear or trust them, etc). They may appear to be lucky. Things happen at random, as if they were probability warpers, etc.

Some 'specific' things may be a combination of this 'uncontrolled' Essence effect in which they get a spell effect purely from intent applied to loose Essence.Most likely, the same thing can be done with a spell much more efficiently and the non-spell might not actually work once the Mage has some training and doesn't allow their Essence to get out of control, and they would have to develop a process of freeing up essence to use the ability the original way.


Here are some other outcomes, all within the realm of possibilites!
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2 months 3 weeks ago #69414 by Astrodragon
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The reason most people (including learner mages) assume that an essence overflow causes hobgoblins is that they are the most visible outcome. While they are many other possibilities, they are often not obvious, especial;ly to a non-mage. Hobgobins are often annoyingly obvious...

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2 months 3 weeks ago #69427 by Kristin Darken
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Heckfire wrote: Case in point: the "hitchhiking space wizard" I mentioned elsewhere can generate essence


Generally wizards don't generate Essence, they draw it in from their surroundings. What makes them unique over baseline mages is the amount they draw (it'd be like running your home vacuum cleaner using a series of different motors - if a baseline mage draws in essence with a 10 watt motor, mutant wizards might have 50 watt, 100 watt, 500 watt, thousand watt and so on). The amount of Essence in the environment doesn't noticeably change (unless they draw so much that it actually depletes the area - something that Fey did accidentally using some of the more powerful Sidhe magicks at Aung's direction).

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2 months 2 weeks ago #69441 by Heckfire
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Kristin Darken wrote:

Heckfire wrote: Case in point: the "hitchhiking space wizard" I mentioned elsewhere can generate essence


Generally wizards don't generate Essence, they draw it in from their surroundings. What makes them unique over baseline mages is the amount they draw (it'd be like running your home vacuum cleaner using a series of different motors - if a baseline mage draws in essence with a 10 watt motor, mutant wizards might have 50 watt, 100 watt, 500 watt, thousand watt and so on). The amount of Essence in the environment doesn't noticeably change (unless they draw so much that it actually depletes the area - something that Fey did accidentally using some of the more powerful Sidhe magicks at Aung's direction).

That was the point of her ability: it doesn't just deplete the essence in an area, it consumes the actual matter to create it, like a touch-based disintegrator ray. It was placed within her by a foolish entity who likely hasn't been swatted by someone bigger yet simply because it's only just now been discovered as a way to fuel her magic, only for her to escape its grasp before it could finish "training" (read: programming) her.

Again, though, determining if her abilities are actually at all feasible within the setting is the reason I've been asking so many questions, and "no, she can't do that" is as valid an answer to them as anything, LOL

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2 months 2 weeks ago #69445 by Mister D
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Heckfire wrote:

Kristin Darken wrote:

Heckfire wrote: Case in point: the "hitchhiking space wizard" I mentioned elsewhere can generate essence


Generally wizards don't generate Essence, they draw it in from their surroundings. What makes them unique over baseline mages is the amount they draw (it'd be like running your home vacuum cleaner using a series of different motors - if a baseline mage draws in essence with a 10 watt motor, mutant wizards might have 50 watt, 100 watt, 500 watt, thousand watt and so on). The amount of Essence in the environment doesn't noticeably change (unless they draw so much that it actually depletes the area - something that Fey did accidentally using some of the more powerful Sidhe magicks at Aung's direction).

That was the point of her ability: it doesn't just deplete the essence in an area, it consumes the actual matter to create it, like a touch-based disintegrator ray. It was placed within her by a foolish entity who likely hasn't been swatted by someone bigger yet simply because it's only just now been discovered as a way to fuel her magic, only for her to escape its grasp before it could finish "training" (read: programming) her.

Again, though, determining if her abilities are actually at all feasible within the setting is the reason I've been asking so many questions, and "no, she can't do that" is as valid an answer to them as anything, LOL


This would be a little OP.

One limiting factor that could be applied would be to limit the range of materials that could be used.


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