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3 months 5 days ago #69224 by Kristin Darken
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Knacks are innate applications of one or more powers / traits

Techniques are a trained application of one or more powers / traits

Abilities would be the tier 'above' powers / traits... including anything from categories like mutant traits (imbued, empowered, power gem and so on)

On that same tier with Abilities would be things like Skills, Knowledge or Lore, etc.

Of course, that's a gamer style break down and phrasing... in universe they don't really look at it the same. In fact, that element causes some confusion in non-canon writing quite a bit because there's an assumption that the powers rating system applies to everything and it doesn't make a lot of sense in places. That's because its an internal system of ranking used by mutant researchers and powers testers. Its not meant to measure the application of the power... but rather the extent and type of deviation/mutation from baseline human.

So you get misunderstood evaluations a lot.. take Fey for example. Nikki's manifestation was primarily as either a high ranking Exemplar or an Avatar (or Avatar variant - like paladin or channeler). Then, her BIT either locked her into or her Avatar hallow bonded her to the shard of 'Aung' causing her to become a Sidhe (not only in appearance but in full nature.. from biology/genetics all the way through the metadimensional construct of BIT and deeper). As a royal Sidhe, being stronger faster and smarter than baseline humans isn't being an Exemplar any more than innately being able to access the ley lines or use psionic power makes her a Wiz or an Empath. Those are simply part of her nature as a royal Sidhe. She can no more be measured 'realistically' by human mutant rankings than can someone whose entire power set comes from power gems.

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3 months 4 days ago #69225 by Softdreams
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Softdreams wrote: I tend to see Psi knacks as techniques that come naturally to a certain mutant.


Surprise, surprise. I learned how to quote things!

And yes, what you said is pretty much what I meant when I referred to knacks as techniques that come naturally, but as expected you phrased it way more coherently than I did. I also gained a little more insight into psychic knacks by reading The Big Idea.

As for the power rating system, I've noticed that Gen 2 is way more detailed when it comes to explaining certain abilities, how they can be applied, and just overall information on these traits (which I've come to assume is thanks to you!). By the way, is Siren a PSI-oriented "trait"?

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3 months 3 days ago #69231 by Kristin Darken
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I'd love to take credit but its also just the evolution of the concepts of the WU that happen over 15 years of use... and also of the in-universe evolution. After all, the various people studying mutants and their evolution/manifestations have had ten more years with modern technology to evaluate powers differently. Put these two together and you get more detail for both character and reader. :)

Siren is a general purpose name for someone who has sonic powers that allow for 'crowd control' type manipulation (ie projective empathy, mind control,etc). Like brick or speedster... how you get there (the specific powers) in the WU can vary. Psi, Audiokinesis, magic, tech, avatar etc... all sorts of ways.

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2 months 4 weeks ago #69280 by Softdreams
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All of that makes a lot of sense!

And by Sirens I was mostly referring to the kind of Sirens we saw taking the Special Topics - Powers Theory/Sirens specialized course, but by the looks of it they all seem to be audiokinetics of sorts. I might be off base. Since I'm aware the term applies to a variety of other Sound-powered individuals such as Calliope (Projective empath/telepath?), but I believe she would be advised to take Special Topics - Powers Theory/Projective Empaths rather than a Siren-specific course.

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2 months 4 weeks ago #69290 by Kristin Darken
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It's not an either or. Calli will be likely to take a classes for Sirens AND classes for Empaths and ALL students take a general Powers Theory course. Why?

Should be fairly obvious but...

A Sirens targeted class or classes is going to talk specifically about using powers for Siren-like outcomes. It doesn't matter HOW you generate the sounds that allow for those outcomes, what is important is what is involved in producing the results. And what those potential results might be.

On the Empath side, she is obviously going to take classes that deal with Empathy... ethics and use of it. Some of this will resemble psychology (you need to understand how emotions work, what drives them, and what the biological components are), some of it will be personal mental health (dealing with identity, personal emotional health, and the impact of dealing with external emotions), and then the practical workings of Empathy one on one, with crowds, over distance, and so on.

There's no need for Empathy based Sirens to have their own course independent to audiokinetic Sirens any more than there is a need for Exemplar Bricks to have classes separate from Energizer Bricks... dealing with strength, combat, and invulnerability levels is something ALL Bricks have in common, and they need to work with Bricks of all sorts to grasp the scope and potential of the 'role'. At the same time, they still need to understand being either an Exemplar or an Energizer... but they can learn those aspects of their traits with people who aren't just Bricks.

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2 months 1 week ago #69456 by Softdreams
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Thanks for answering.

The reason why I doubted she would be placed into a Siren-specific class is mainly because I thought an Empathy-based Siren couldn't recreate as many varied effects or perform as many techniques as a PK-based Siren, since they were just broadcasting emotions and those effects were thoroughly covered in Special Topics - Powers Theory/Projective Empaths. BUT I'm very ignorant as to the effects or techniques an Empath could learn/recreate. Much more so when it comes to Empathy-based Sirens.

By the way, I read your story about Esoteric, and I'm very very glad I did because I really liked your character as well as her story. I'm most definitely looking forward to the future stories that are currently being written about Esoteric!
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2 months 1 week ago #69457 by Erianaiel
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Whateley Academy seems to educate, for the powers part anyway, on a 'super is as super does' principle as much as feasible.
It does not matter how you end up with your brick powers, your control issues are going to be roughly the same anyway. All sirens have to learn to be careful with the noises they make, regardless of what gives them the projective esp with a vocal carrier, so it makes sense to put them in the same initial classes (and let's be honest, we have barely seen any non-freshman classes, and heard of only a handful of the more advanced classes for juniors and seniors)

Powers Theory and Powers Lab seem to be the primary classes that deal with the underlying principles of various powers rather than with the effect of them. LIkely we will eventually encounter the specialised classes that deal with both effect and cause of certain abilities at the same time, but those probably are one on one classes for those students that need them.

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