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1 year 4 months ago #62908 by Malady
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I use Discord enough to like the idea.

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1 year 4 months ago #62936 by Kristin Darken
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The down sides to discord are the same as the ones we brought up when it was discussed for the convention thing.

1. While chat line conversations can be logged and stored, they quickly become unsorted data in large quantities. Forums threads might not be an ideal data tracking system, but at the very least, threads have topics. Even still, people do commonly post questions that have already been discussed to death... this is why we purposely have review/feedback sections and specific threads for each story and/or character and ask that people find the existing one instead of make a new one. This helps consolidate information so it is available in the future. This is actually necessary because its not uncommon for authors to field a question with an answer that we just 'made up' on the spot based on what we already do know (what, you thought we had ALL the answers written down already? hahahahaha). If we started doing that in chat, even WE wouldn't know a given question had been answered in the past to go looking for it.

2. Conversations in chat are dependent to people being present at the moment that someone has a question or wants to chat. With a forums, that 'hit' period is based on the interval between your visit and your next visit. People are far less to come back regularly if there is no conversation within the interval of their visit on a forum... but with chat, its if they log on and no one is there. It takes a LARGE audience to cover a chat room adequately 24/7. Self-sustaining conversation happens with between 3-7 people online, if you assume the average person is in chat for 2-3 hours 3 times a week, you need 50-150 people committed to using chat. At the moment, we dont have that many actively posting on the forums.

3. Running a forums and chat at the same time is problematic. People will post in the forums and then talk about the forums thread in chat. One or two posts will happen in the forums, but because the discussion will happen in chat, it will appear as though no one cares to respond in the forums.


Are there benefits to having chat? Yes. But most of them are more appropriate to a more active community responding to something that is happening at a higher pace (like responding to streaming video - of a game, or of art being created, etc). Because we only release content once or twice a week... 'most' of the week the forums are quiet except behind the scenes. And sometimes even then. Even at our peak and pushing out three stories per week... we were probably only barely hitting on the necessary 'new' content to support chat.

But many of the benefits of chat will come at a cost to our forums community. And given that the site and forums community isn't exactly thriving right now (the difference between our release day/night hits and the rest of the week, right now, is significant). People are coming to read the stories and thats it. They're not participating in the community.

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1 year 3 months ago #62957 by elrodw
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Having a Discord channel where fans can periodically chat seems like it could be workable. The authors have had a weekly chat for almost 3 years now, and though the original purpose is long-since done (Gen 2 world-building), it's still a nice hangout to talk all things Whateley.

One thing that COULD be done is to periodically have a Q&A with an author, or every couple of months have a couple hours of "talk with the authors". As a full-time thing, though, I think it would best serve fans talking with fans, possibly discussing IF and other such things.

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1 year 3 months ago #62969 by MageOhki
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I'm fine with one, I use Discord a lot more than I thought I would...

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1 year 3 months ago #62971 by Polk Kitsune
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The main purpose as I see for a Discord channel is for fans to interact with each other. Something that allows more casual conversation than making a thread every time you want to say hello, and possibly make more contact with each other. I don't want to be critical, but the Quad has been relatively quiet, but I've been using Discord frequently on my phone for other communities at the same time. It's been a lot easier for me on the go, rather than pull the forum every time, and try to write a lengthy post, since I often have to stop midway in, and simply give up on the post altogether at times.

I can't ignore the fact that it may draw traffic away from the website though. I can't deny it, but it wouldn't mean the community would lessen for it. With more discussions available, there may be new threads or ideas discussed.

A Discord channel would not be able to take all the discussions either. Fan stories or longer posts would be swept upstream in discussions in a chat channel. It just can't carry that kind of weight, so the forum would have to be the place to go. If you want something to be archived or seen multiple times, the forums has to be the place to go.

I don't expect the authors to answer all the questions, or give any concrete info. Might have to be added in the rules that anything in the chat isn't official, and subject to change, maybe along with the fact that the stories belong to the authors, therefore the final words is up to them. There should be no obligations for anyone to have to answer questions on demand or be 100% accurate. I do like the idea of Q&A, which might allow for more direct interactions with some of the authors and the fans.

I picture it being mostly mod controlled by fans, or at least people trusted enough to be responsible for it, voluntarily. I didn't want to add in more pressure to those in charge here.

I thought it'd be something to experiment with at least.

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1 year 3 months ago #62973 by elrodw
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In my opinion, you pretty much nailed the rationale there.

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1 year 3 months ago #62976 by Kristin Darken
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I think the best estimate of whether it 'works' without hurting the existing system will be to watch the feedback/comments counts.

But the solution to activity in the quad isn't so much 'different' options as it is a revival of audience activity in general. Whether that means more story output to require more visits or better 'marketing' to draw new audiences in... I'm not sure. I think 'all' online story sites have been hit by the introduction of Amazon Kindle / Unlimited independent publication. People who ten years ago were publishing all their work on web sites for free are now publishing under the unlimited program where its 'free' to the reader (within their subscription program) but the author gets paid based on number of people reading their material. That's reducing the number of new authors participating and giving 'free readers' more material to reach for ... less time to talk about things while they wait for the next installments to come out.

My thoughts, anyway. I'm not sure whether there are statistics to back the observation.


Not that we'd try to stop someone if they want to put the time into to give something like this a shot. The only 'official' input I'd like to put in is that you acknowledge that (like the WIKI) it is fan-run so discussions may or may not be canon and shouldn't be accepted as word of god unless the old bearded guy appears in the midst of a burning bush and starts dictating. (Note: if he does, please put in a good word for changeling style manifestations for those of us who want them). Also, please authorize mods to verify and contain author and protagonist character names as 'property' of their author. If you are unsure that someone is 'really' the author, I have email contact with authors or can ask for PM / forums verification of them here for you. Just PM me.

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1 year 3 months ago #62984 by Sir Lee
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I have no problem with somebody engaging on a Whateley channel on Discord. I'm just very, very unlikely to participate. I simply dislike chat rooms, IRC and such.

Don't call me "Shirley." You will surely make me surly.
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1 year 3 months ago #63020 by Polk Kitsune
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If you don't feel like participating, then you don't have to. Last thing I want is to force anyone.

I've started putting up the Discord channel, and I've got a few rules written out. Thoughts?

Rules and Regulations
1 - Be nice and courteous. Any harassment or fights will not be tolerated. We will send Wondercute after you (Okay, no, we're not that horrible, but we have mutes and banhammers.)
2 - This goes double involving authors visiting over. If they come over to chat, it's on their own time. If they mute you, it's their own choice.
3 - This is a fan-operated server. Anything in here is unofficial and is not meant to be word of god, even from the authors themselves. Anything brought up here as an argument somewhere else will be ignored.
4 - Please keep content Safe For Work. Although Whateley at times dips into such territory, let's try to keep it clean.
5 - Author and protagonist names are reserved to their creators. For those thinking impersonating the authors is funny, we will be double-checking those claims and making corrections as necessary.
6 - The rules can be modified as needed.
7 - Please ignore the cabbit, it just wants attention.
8 - Have fun.

I've put a few varied channels within the server to split it up. I did consider putting on a NSFW channel, since we can set a privacy button for it, but I'll only do it if people want it.

Oh, and for any authors coming over, I will confirm your identity through PMs on the forum. I'll also need to get some mods to help, since I can't just be there 24/7.

Not sharing a link to invite right away, since I need to head to bed, but I'll put it up tomorrow.
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1 year 3 months ago #63029 by Polk Kitsune
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discord.gg/bdRqu7

This link is for 24 hours. Let’s test the waters at first. This is my first time setting a server like this, so if there’s bugs, let me know.
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