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1 year 1 week ago - 1 year 1 week ago #65143 by Sir Lee
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I'm answering here because I'm not allowed to reply to Kristin's original post. Answer follows:

Er, what? I guess the change is pretty subtle. OK, maybe I'm noticing a little more contrast between the several areas, and I don't remember if those subtle gradients were already in the menu bars before... but if Kristin hadn't posted about it, I don't think I would have noticed the change on a conscious level.

EDIT: fuggetall I wrote above, after a page reload it suddenly changed to the new look. Not crazy about the "old masonry" texture, and the contrast with the topic icons is pretty low. Not crazy about the dark brown forum main menu either.

Original digression about my inability to notice subtle differences in color kept below for the humorous value.

Yeah, total cismale here. The number of colors I can name without checking a Pantone catalog is probably under a dozen, let's see... seven in the rainbow, OK, although "indigo" looks like "fancy blue" to me. Then there's magenta and cyan that I had to learn because of color separations for printing, and now are in ink cartridges too. Add brown, pink, beige, black, white, grey, and "purple" which for me is just another name for "violet", and I'm done. Yeah, I named 13 actual colors, but two of them are just alternate names because I can't tell them apart, so eleven. Actually, I might have to take magenta too, because it's pretty much the same as pink. And isn't cyan just light blue? Anywhere BUT in the context of printing tech, I would call those colors "pink" and "light blue." So, nine actual colors, four synonyms/shade variations, and three shades of monochrome. My initial estimate of "a dozen" was pretty much on the nose.

Oh, wait, there's one more, although I don't know what it would called in English. It's this ill-defined zone where green meets brown and grey, sorta natural dirty color. In Portuguese it's called "cor-de-burro-quando-foge," literally "the color of a donkey when it runs away" (a donkey is usually grey, when it runs away it will get dirty with mud and grass, so...) And no, I'm not making it up. According to a famous Brazilian writer, "cor-de-burro-quando-foge" is the correct answer to the question "What's the color of Napoleon's white horse?" (and no, I'm not making THAT up either).

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1 year 1 week ago #65144 by null0trooper
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I'm not sure the white text-shadow for .breadcrumb > li and .navbar .nav > li is a good idea. On the tan background for the breadcrumb navigation it's not a major deal, but against the dark brown for forum navigation above it the letters look like a stroked font that has the outer strokes set white and the innermost stroke black. That might give folks with visual impairments trouble, but those are also the folks most likely to override CSS.

Likewise, I'm not sure that having the pagination list elements (Start, First, 1, Next, End) still visible (white outlines showing where the boxes are, gray text) when disabled is helpful.

The gray text for X number topics (small.hidden-phone.nowrap) is hard to see against the new background. The Category folder icon and the feed icon also have too little contrast.

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1 year 1 week ago #65146 by Astrodragon
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It hasnt made a huge difference on my laptop, but on my main PC it is very obvious.
To be honest, I dont like it; its darker and some of the text is a lot more difficult to read. Also, while pretty, the parchmenty effect is distracting.

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1 year 1 week ago #65147 by Rose Bunny
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Biggest issue for me is that the navigation/current location links are hard to read. Also, the band of white at the top of the graphic makes some text hard to read when the pattern repeats in long posts and stories. Additionally, you can see the repeat because the band is at the top, but doesn't blend to the bottom.

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1 year 1 week ago #65151 by Kristin Darken
Kristin Darken replied the topic: Re: Background Textures and palette adjustment
As a general level of helpfulness... what nulltrooper has posted above? Exactly the feedback level I would LOVE to have from people. General color and contrast notes will be taken where possible, but the more specific the better.

What I'm looking at atm from feedback is:
1. Shadowed text in breadcrumbs.
2. Better idle/hover/active color combinations for menus.
3. Better contrast for Quicklinks to recent story posts (background more dark w/ text to light? or background lighter with text darker?)
4. Topic numbering
5. Reduce some of the texturing contrast on the background parchment (caused by lightening the parchment which was MUCH darker/more saturated).


Does the transparent overlay on the stories themselves work to keep contrast effective?

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1 year 1 week ago - 1 year 1 week ago #65153 by cprime
cprime replied the topic: Re: Background Textures and palette adjustment
A few thoughts, in no particular order.
  1. I think the gradient on div.navbar-inner (the forum navigation header) makes the menus a bit hard to read. I would prefer the same 'flat' color used on the 'Log out' button (button.btn.btn-primary), as that would give the menu a cleaner look.
  2. The text in div.comments-policy (the comment policy disclaimer on story pages) is a bit hard to read. I think it would be more readable if the styling used in div.well._menu (the upper right navigation bar) was used.
  3. The div.hr styling looks a bit off, though I'm not certain the best way to fix it. Perhaps if the diamond images were pallet-shifted to match the dark brown and the white bar was changed to transparent.

Over all, the restyle doesn't seem to be a regression. The 'div.Net' styling still works, and I'm not seeing the stray full-height menu bars that I've seen on occasion in the past.

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1 year 1 week ago #65154 by Kristin Darken
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Unfortunately, the forums template code is a bit less cooperative to change than the joomla site in general. It (and the code for the article layouts) works on an LESS/CSS basis... so you have to make changes to the LESS, recompile that to create CSS files and repeat, as needed. And there's some sort of code checking involved in there that if I do something wrong, I have to reload the original template from their site and start over from scratch. Not the most convenient for certain.

I'll see what I can do about that menu though. I'm considering buying an updated kunena template that doesn't use that gradiated menu bar. I'll see if I can find a solution that doesn't cost me 30-50 dollars first... :P

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1 year 1 week ago #65155 by Kristin Darken
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Some tweaks made.

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1 year 1 week ago #65156 by Kettlekorn
Kettlekorn replied the topic: Re: Background Textures and palette adjustment
I like the overall look, but forum posts really need a layer between them and the background like what the stories have.

Also, the top left corners of the post headers are still non-matching.

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1 year 6 days ago #65157 by Kristin Darken
Kristin Darken replied the topic: Re: Background Textures and palette adjustment
Ok... so my current to do 'tweak' list looks like:

1. Forum menu color fix. Get rid of the white of the unused section, which will also allow better color matching in the buttons, as those are overlaying on top of the white.
2. Breadcrumbs and menu font shadowing fix. This one may be tougher as I haven't been able to pin down where the CSS is for it.
3. more opaque backdrop on forums posts to bring them up to the 'level' of other readable areas.
4. Another pass on the logo/banner top left... font needs to be 'heavier' and the whole thing needs to extend a little further right... it feels just a hair short.
5. Forums posts top left corners not lining up? I 'think' that's just the nature of the border coloring to give the dimensionality/drop shadow effect. the header is a nested table, so I'm not sure it can be made smaller. I'll play with it.
6. Pagination numbers gray disappears.

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