Question A sequel too far

With Top Gun 2 (more than 30 years after the original) and Indiana Jones 5 (nearly 40 years after Raiders) in production, it seems Hollywood can never tire of a tried and tested franchise.

So can we have suggestions for a sequel too far (to any franchise), where it's getting pretty obvious either (a) they've squeezed all the life out of the franchise, or (b) the main star has one foot in the grave .

For example...

Indiana Jones and the Care Home of Doom
Saw 10 (the antagonist runs out of characters to torture, so turns their attention to the film crew)
Died Hard (Bruce Willis' character finally keels over)
Great Grandson of Godzilla (Apparently there have been 29 Godzilla films over the years - even "Son of Godzilla" (1967), "Godzilla vs Space Godzilla" (1994) and "Godzilla: Final Wars" (2004) somehow failed to extinguish the franchise)

I work in that town!

and let me tell you this, they will milk a 'name' till it gives no more!

as for dying?

I have been on set and had actors and directors die on us....more than once! And that was not from accidents!

One of my good friends thought she had the world by the tail. She had the contract for Armand Hammer's birthday parties and was getting over 200k for doing them---then when she was setting up party #2 in his name---the sucker dropped dead! She was a little upset!

Star Trek 32: The Darkening Hospice
Star Wars XXVII: The Entropic Menace
The Fast and the Forgetful
Chairdogs of Dune
The Ringworld Geriatrics
The Amazingly Spectacular Spiderman: Ultimate Origination
Batman Returns Again
Power Rangers: Lost Continence
The Tonight Show Starring Glovnax Tarflnarkle
Skyrim 64K HD Deluxe Remastered: Keychain Edition
Ayla and the Bedpan Brawl: Chapter 98 - The Defecation of Delphi - Part 17

To be fair, Indy 5 won't be quite 40 years after the first one -- more like, well, 38.

"Top Gun 2: Flying desks towards retirement."
"Home Alone 6: living in Mom's basement." (Yes, there WAS a "Home Alone IV" and even a V.)

The Rolling stones hit new single! Can't get no wheel chair traction!

GTA retirement home 'walker' edition!

Jaws 9: the Shark Jumpeth
Sharknado 5: Global Swarming
The Fast and the Furious 27: The Slow and the Mild
Pirates of the Caribbean 16: No... I named the Monkey Jack Sparrow
Pirates of the Caribbean 17: The Death of Jack Sparrow
Pirates of the Caribbean 18: Die Jack Sparrow... Die
Pirates of the Caribbean 19: Why won't Jack Sparrow just Die
Transformers 10: Die Bay, Die!!!
Mission Impossible 25 - In which Ethan Hunt (grandson of the original) is framed and has to stop disaster... played by Tom Cruise
Ocean's Dependables 13 - Where aging conmen and burglars have to break into the kitchen to steal pudding before nap time at the home... unbeknownst to them it's guarded by a Mercenary crew with weak bladders.

DanZilla wrote: Jaws 9: the Shark Jumpeth
Sharknado 5: Global Swarming
The Fast and the Furious 27: The Slow and the Mild
Pirates of the Caribbean 16: No... I named the Monkey Jack Sparrow
Pirates of the Caribbean 17: The Death of Jack Sparrow
Pirates of the Caribbean 18: Die Jack Sparrow... Die
Pirates of the Caribbean 19: Why won't Jack Sparrow just Die
Transformers 10: Die Bay, Die!!!
Mission Impossible 25 - In which Ethan Hunt (grandson of the original) is framed and has to stop disaster... played by Tom Cruise
Ocean's Dependables 13 - Where aging conmen and burglars have to break into the kitchen to steal pudding before nap time at the home... unbeknownst to them it's guarded by a Mercenary crew with weak bladders.

Pirates of the Caribbean 20: We stuff the dead Jack Sparrow and make him part of the ride!

Ohh that has been done???

and in Transformers 10---his Crew would kill him in part 7 or so---all his crew hate that guy! Michel Bay that is!

Friday the 13th Part Googol: Who's the Bad Guy in this series?
Halloween Part Googolplex: What's Halloween?
Star Trek 69: Where Kirk and Spock have gone before.
Star Wars Episode XXX: Jar Jar does Bespin

Valentine wrote: Star Trek 69: Where Kirk and Spock have gone before.

I recommend putting Voltaire in charge of the sound track for that one. Better yet: make it a musical.

DanZilla wrote: Mission Impossible 25 - In which Ethan Hunt (grandson of the original) is framed and has to stop disaster... played by Tom Cruise

I dunno, while Cruise can certainly cover that kind of role, if I were casting someone to play a disaster these days, I would get Jared Smith, Will Ferrell, or maybe Lindsay Lohan. I suppose Charlie Sheen or Mel Gibson could do in a pinch.

OTOH, if you wanted to have a disaster movie... well, those first three will do, if you get M. Night Shyamalan or Uwe Boll for director... no, wait, I hear someone was insane enough to be talking about letting Michael Cimino get behind a camera again! He'd be perfect! Give him a budget of $1.25 billion!

Schol-R-LEA wrote: \
OTOH, if you wanted to have a disaster movie... well, those first three will do, if you get M. Night Shyamalan or Uwe Boll for director... no, wait, I hear someone was insane enough to be talking about letting Michael Cimino get behind a camera again! He'd be perfect! Give him a budget of $1.25 billion!

But Uwe Boll already did a disaster movie, it is called Alone in the Dark

Star Wars 42: A Fatally Greyer Shade of Sparklygoff Muggle IN SPACE!!! by the writing team of by E.L. James, Tara Gilesbie, Byron Hall, Stephanie Meyer, and Nancy Stouffer .

Spiderman! but is this the new spiderman or the middle new one or the real old one done again? Or maybe a version of the TV show cartoons from the 60's or was that 80's ....ohh heck we just want more of your cash version!

Schol-R-LEA wrote: OTOH, if you wanted to have a disaster movie... well, those first three will do, if you get M. Night Shyamalan or Uwe Boll for director... no, wait, I hear someone was insane enough to be talking about letting Michael Cimino get behind a camera again! He'd be perfect! Give him a budget of $1.25 billion!

Cimino passed away last year. Although given his rep I'm not sure that actually hurt his chances of getting hired in Hollywood...

OtherEric wrote:

Schol-R-LEA wrote: OTOH, if you wanted to have a disaster movie... well, those first three will do, if you get M. Night Shyamalan or Uwe Boll for director... no, wait, I hear someone was insane enough to be talking about letting Michael Cimino get behind a camera again! He'd be perfect! Give him a budget of $1.25 billion!

Cimino passed away last year. Although given his rep I'm not sure that actually hurt his chances of getting hired in Hollywood...

Well now being dead makes him EXTREMELY qualified to make Zombie pictures!

Ebola wrote: But Uwe Boll already did a disaster movie, it is called Alone in the Dark

I thought he'd directed 32 disaster movies.

Oh, that was that he directed 32 movie disasters.

Which is worse: a director who wastes $125 million on 32 terrible films, or a director who wasted $125 million (in 2015 dollars) on one epic failure of a film?

Mind you, Heaven's Gate as a film apparently isn't terrible, despite the original reviews; it just isn't great to the tune of $40 million dollars in 1980 money, and it hit a sour chord with the post-Star Wars Hollywood as well. It was a $2 million 1974 movie released on the eve of Ronald Reagan's election; no matter how good it was, it was going to be slammed for the sheer waste of money alone, and for being counter to the way the country was rejecting everything it had embraced for the previous ten years - and just as heedless of the consequences of swinging too far to the right as it had been of swinging far to the left.

Reportedly, the cinematography was brilliant. The sound editing, however, was apparently abysmal in the theatrical release, as nearly everyone commented on how little of the dialogue could actually be heard over the background sounds and foley in places - Cimino though that perfect sound reproduction was more important than being able to heard what the actors were saying.

Schol-R-LEA wrote: Which is worse: a director who wastes $125 million on 32 terrible films, or a director who wasted $125 million (in 2015 dollars) on one epic failure of a film?

If I remember correctly in the case of Uwe Boll, most of his movies (so not the last few ones) were financed mostly thanks to a taxe niche/loophole in the german taxe code.

Fair point, I recall that part now that you mention it. He apparently stated outright that this was the case in the House of the Dead DVD commentary, according to Wicked-Pedo . It also states that the loophole was closed in 2006, which entirely coincidentally was when his films are said to have started showing a marked improvement (though were still shit by most accounts - I dunno, I never saw any of them).

Not so much a sequel, but...

Fantastic Four

How many attempts have there been so far to create a film out of the quartet?! No doubt there'll be more attempts in the years to come - as will come more reboots of Spidey if the current MCU incarnation flops, while over the fence, possibly even more bats?

I think that Sherlock Holmes still holds the record for "portrayed by the most different actors."

Actually, I suddenly want to see a few actresses added to the list. Anyone up for Shirley Holmes?

Hmmm. It's possible that some real historical figure, like Adolf Hitler, beats Holmes. I mean, consider how many WWII movies are there, not to mention parodies, TV series, time travel movies etc. -- he even appears in Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade. If even a small percentage of them has used an actual actor to play Hitler (as opposed to just stock documentary footage), that's a ridiculous number of actors.

You may be right, Sir Lee. Although Holmes would have a notable head start, having appeared in film as early as 1900.

Well, I went digging and I found this article.

The summary version:
Based on IMDB in 2013, the most portrayed characters are:
10. Hamlet
9. Sherlock Holmes
8. Abraham Lincoln
7. Dracula
6. Hitler
5. Napoleon
4. God
3. Jesus
2. Santa Claus
1. The Devil

And apparently Holmes has a Guinness World Record for the "Most Portrayed Literary Human Character," which says a lot about how Guinness records work if you think about it.

Arcanist Lupus wrote: And apparently Holmes has a Guinness World Record for the "Most Portrayed Literary Human Character," which says a lot about how Guinness records work if you think about it.

I gave up on Guinness records being meaningful a few years ago when there was that argument over SF TV show with most episodes.

Actually, I participated in setting a Guinness record just last weekend, for "largest square dance." That one was particularly sad, because the national conventions (well, all of square dancing, really) have been going rapidly downhill. A few decades ago they were attracting 30,000+ people, and this year we had less than 3,500.

But those events weren't recorded by Guinness, so they don't count towards the record.

Indianapolis Jones 500 and the Great Race.

I'm surprised nobody has noted the mention of a sequel in the movie Spaceballs - Rocky five ... thousand
And of course there's the movie poster in the magazine shop in the movie Airplane for Rocky 38.

Escape From Key West - an octogenarian Snake Plissken tries to recover Jimmy Buffet's salt shaker (which contains the keys to a tequila-based superweapon) from a group of militant real estate developers who have turned the south of Florida into an oversized gated community, while struggling with 30 meter long escaped pythons, cranky ex-yuppie senior citizens who still think of themselves as twentysomethings, dangerously desperate housewives, and crippling short-term memory loss.

Tomb Raiders: Lara Crofts Thunder Thighs Liposuction
Resident Evil 17: Clone of the clones of the clones.
Space 1999: How the moon came back in 2001 A space oddity
Santa Conquers the Martians (2): Martians threatened Earth for not taking back Santa.
Titanic: Raising Jack on bottle at a time (A Musical)
Harry Potter and the Wheeled Walker: How Harry Caned Ron
Plan 9 from outer space: A presidential decree

Actually Top Gun 2 and the mission impossible 6 ( or hat ever number it is) are both delayed since Cruise was injured while filming doing his own stunts still.

So Top Gun 2 is on Hiatus since it has not even filmed yet.
And The Mission Impossible Movie is on extended delay since they can not film without cruise and when he will be healed and recouped enough for the insurance company the other actors will be doing other movie commitments, so it is delayed until every ones schedules line up for it.

Personally I think Hollywood ran out of original ideas years ago and well the studios have been milking every thing they have just to keep up profits.

MadTechOne wrote: Personally I think Hollywood ran out of original ideas years ago and well the studios have been milking every thing they have just to keep up profits.

It's not that they've run out of ideas, they play it safe in staying with what they think will draw in audiences. Then when an unexpected hit comes along they will jump on it by dressing it up another way.

Personally I think people are getting tired of some of the current offerings as they look beyond the actors who are supposed to have drawing power. Hit's that shouldn't be are ones as with ones that should be fail. It's confusing the industry in some ways. I think its just consumer burnout.

E M Pisek wrote:

MadTechOne wrote: Personally I think Hollywood ran out of original ideas years ago and well the studios have been milking every thing they have just to keep up profits.

It's not that they've run out of ideas, they play it safe in staying with what they think will draw in audiences. Then when an unexpected hit comes along they will jump on it by dressing it up another way.

Personally I think people are getting tired of some of the current offerings as they look beyond the actors who are supposed to have drawing power. Hit's that shouldn't be are ones as with ones that should be fail. It's confusing the industry in some ways. I think its just consumer burnout.

A great director and cast can only do so much with a Turd, and a Polished Turd is still a Turd.
I have seen the critics and people tear a movie apart that did poorly in theaters, The movies had great directors, big budgets, and a great cast; but they had Achilles Heels every sing one of them. The Achilles heel of every movie are the studios and the movie financiers, they make every movie hold to a formula that has worked before with little room for the directors or cast to to make them shine. And they blame the Critics, Piracy, Rotten Tomato, etc... when all they need to do is look in a mirror.

Dead Pool was sabotaged in production by removing money from its budget because the studio changed it's mind on an R rated Super hero movie. It had a shoe string budget to begin with but the director and cast cracked open that turd, and it was not a turd it was a rock with a big old gem inside. I really wonder if we will see really good movies again in my lifetime.

Godzilla vs. Greenpeace. Take away all that delicious nuclear waste, will you? GRRRRRRRRRRR!

That implies they had some to begin with.

To resurrect this topic, how many of you think that the supposed 'final' film of the MCU (which I think they said one would be) actually will be?

Schol-R-LEA wrote: To resurrect this topic, how many of you think that the supposed 'final' film of the MCU (which I think they said one would be) actually will be?

I think they've got Phase 3 set in stone (or at least post-production), but Spider-Man: Far From Home might be the last for a couple of years.