Question Cyber/Technopath; Esper or Telepathy variant?
8 years 8 months ago #1
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Are technopaths/Cyberpaths considered to be in the Esper category or the telepath category power wise?
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8 years 8 months ago #2
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You mean, this week? The classification for the mental-powers crowd keeps being revised...
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ESP are all alternate perception (extra sensory perception): anything that lets you 'sense' something that isn't sight with your eyes, sound with your ears, scent with your nose, taste with your tongue, or feel pressure/temperature with your 'skin'... is ESP. From a practical standpoint all 'psychic' abilities form from ESP of some sort. In order to read or project emotions, you typically have to be able to sense them. In order to communicate telepathically, you first have to have the ability to 'sense' the energy patterns of thought. In order to be able to manipulate machines or interact with code within computers, you first have to be able to read the energy patterns that make up the operation of those things.
So, on the surface level, all psychic abilities are variants or extensions of some form of ESP. From there, you have to determine 'where' the sense occurs... is it within the self? within the aura/mental sheath? or outside of the boundaries that define the person? And do you have the ability to alter what you sense?
Cyberpathy is not a sub-variant of telepathy. Why? Because the foundation sense is not the same. Telepathy relies on being able to discern thought constructs. Computers don't think. A cyberpath has to discern code flowing through memory registers, or busses, or in the CPU. Both senses have to be very fast to successfully interpret and alter what they are aware of... but they are working with distinctly different things.
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So, on the surface level, all psychic abilities are variants or extensions of some form of ESP. From there, you have to determine 'where' the sense occurs... is it within the self? within the aura/mental sheath? or outside of the boundaries that define the person? And do you have the ability to alter what you sense?
Cyberpathy is not a sub-variant of telepathy. Why? Because the foundation sense is not the same. Telepathy relies on being able to discern thought constructs. Computers don't think. A cyberpath has to discern code flowing through memory registers, or busses, or in the CPU. Both senses have to be very fast to successfully interpret and alter what they are aware of... but they are working with distinctly different things.
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Technopaths also need an "adapter" component, for Whisper that's nanites, for Cyber Kitty and her sister, it might be tied to the Energizer organs, but it is unclear, raw undecoded machine language is binary, the lowest level people go is a hexadecimal code. They need to convert that to electrochemical.
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No, they don't. That's just human rationalization trying to make sense of something that isn't understood. Whisper acts through nanites because Whisper had a significant exposure to nanite during her manifestation period. Merry functions at a code/TRON level because Merry was a very skilled and adapt hacker even before manifesting. These are interaction constructs just like other psychics use to integrate senses for which human beings do not have language or thought models... just as some telepaths 'hear' thoughts as voices, some 'see' them as visions/actions, others read the holographic sense record, and so forth. None of these are any more necessary than it is for Whisper to have nanites or for Merry to rely on an object that has code. They are simply ways that those individuals understand and make use of their abilities.
But consider... if a telepath can insert a thought into the mind of an individual... why would a cyberpath require some specific interface device to modify the operation of technology. And if a telepath can operate on either the answer to a simple yes/no question posed to a mind OR lift/remove the entire memory of a day's actions... why cannot a cyberpath alter anything from a single bit up to a major function/routine? The same principles are involved... the only differences are the 'sense' that is used to experience the energy/pattern involved... and the 'hand' that does the manipulation.
The same is true for most Psychic abilities.
But consider... if a telepath can insert a thought into the mind of an individual... why would a cyberpath require some specific interface device to modify the operation of technology. And if a telepath can operate on either the answer to a simple yes/no question posed to a mind OR lift/remove the entire memory of a day's actions... why cannot a cyberpath alter anything from a single bit up to a major function/routine? The same principles are involved... the only differences are the 'sense' that is used to experience the energy/pattern involved... and the 'hand' that does the manipulation.
The same is true for most Psychic abilities.
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About the need to convert binary to hex and back...
The human mind, even without superpowers, is amazingly adaptable. The other day I was watching this YouTube video about why it is important to preserve rare languages. The answer was... because they tell things about how our brains work. And the example they gave was pretty interesting:
It turns out that there are Australian aboriginal languages with no concept of relative directions, only absolute directions. So, if someone hurts their foot and goes to the tribal doctors for help, and the doctor asks them "which foot is the one hurting?", the patient will respond (if they are facing East) "My North foot" instead of "My left foot." And then the doctor tell the patient to sit on the chair (which faces North), and then they will automatically start speaking about the pain on the patient's West foot. They just keep track of this stuff without thinking.
So, no, I don't think a cyberpath needs to "convert" binary to hexadecimal; they just learn to work directly in binary. Most people are raised in a decimal world, but I have known people who learned to do hex arithmetic as effortlessly as they do decimal arithmetic.
The human mind, even without superpowers, is amazingly adaptable. The other day I was watching this YouTube video about why it is important to preserve rare languages. The answer was... because they tell things about how our brains work. And the example they gave was pretty interesting:
It turns out that there are Australian aboriginal languages with no concept of relative directions, only absolute directions. So, if someone hurts their foot and goes to the tribal doctors for help, and the doctor asks them "which foot is the one hurting?", the patient will respond (if they are facing East) "My North foot" instead of "My left foot." And then the doctor tell the patient to sit on the chair (which faces North), and then they will automatically start speaking about the pain on the patient's West foot. They just keep track of this stuff without thinking.
So, no, I don't think a cyberpath needs to "convert" binary to hexadecimal; they just learn to work directly in binary. Most people are raised in a decimal world, but I have known people who learned to do hex arithmetic as effortlessly as they do decimal arithmetic.
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Brian had not yet been exposed to the nanites when he interfaced with that soldier's equipment, nor when he opened that electronic lock. The nanites just provide additional functionality.
People do work in binary. Hex is useful due to taking fewer characters to render the same data, but binary is more transparent, especially when dealing with data formats that don't have all their sections aligned to multiples of four. That said, hex and binary are trivial to convert between.
Also, thanks to Morse code, it's obvious that people are able to learn to process raw binary data streams.
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mhalpern wrote: for Whisper that's nanites
Brian had not yet been exposed to the nanites when he interfaced with that soldier's equipment, nor when he opened that electronic lock. The nanites just provide additional functionality.
mhalpern wrote: raw undecoded machine language is binary, the lowest level people go is a hexadecimal code.
People do work in binary. Hex is useful due to taking fewer characters to render the same data, but binary is more transparent, especially when dealing with data formats that don't have all their sections aligned to multiples of four. That said, hex and binary are trivial to convert between.
Also, thanks to Morse code, it's obvious that people are able to learn to process raw binary data streams.
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8 years 8 months ago #8
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I think I get it, Kristin and Co, though I'm gonna reread a few times to make sure i do.
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