Question Clairvoyance and Scrying into Whateley
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Can anyone outside the school use Clairvoyance and/or Scrying to see into Whateley or is the school warded against that?
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One of the second gen stories mention that it's heavily warded against that.
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Which likely means Gen 1 Year 2 the shielding and what not isn't likely as strong as Gen 2 years if I remember another thread right..
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That's debatable. After last Halloween they might max stat that sort of thing. A later they might relax there guard or some of the wards might have decayed and in need of repair or refreshing.
As it stands we know the tech senses keep getting updated and added to but there is not mention of the magic based systems get the same treatment. And this requires some special consideration as magical systems have a fare greater chance of interfering with one another than more precise tech systems.
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Cryptic wrote: Which likely means Gen 1 Year 2 the shielding and what not isn't likely as strong as Gen 2 years if I remember another thread right..
That's debatable. After last Halloween they might max stat that sort of thing. A later they might relax there guard or some of the wards might have decayed and in need of repair or refreshing.
As it stands we know the tech senses keep getting updated and added to but there is not mention of the magic based systems get the same treatment. And this requires some special consideration as magical systems have a fare greater chance of interfering with one another than more precise tech systems.
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Mmm, Well I suppose I can BS an explanation for how it happened in my fic...
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You'll see some evolution in the whateley psi and mystic defenses during gen 1 - year 2.
The 'old' policy, which starts to get reworked after year 1's Halloween attack is that it is impossible to cover a location as large and active as the Whateley campus strongly enough to block 'everything' ... any really strong focused attack will punch through even the strongest 'area' defense. And in doing so, such a strong barrier is likely to keep your best defenders constantly working/drained to keep it active. It makes more sense to have defenses that keep out 'accidental' incursion and alert defenders to respond to anything intentional. This leaves defenders more energy to counter attacks. It also has the benefit of not 'trapping' the minds of psychics and sensitives inside those walls... which can significant increase the potential for warnings. Consider... a large collection of psi sensitives and precogs, probability warpers, and so on... are about to come under attack. The odds of one of them twigging on it coming is fairly high... unless all external awareness has been cut off by strong wards.
The specific reasons for things changing and how... well... you'll see, as we move forward in year 2.
The 'old' policy, which starts to get reworked after year 1's Halloween attack is that it is impossible to cover a location as large and active as the Whateley campus strongly enough to block 'everything' ... any really strong focused attack will punch through even the strongest 'area' defense. And in doing so, such a strong barrier is likely to keep your best defenders constantly working/drained to keep it active. It makes more sense to have defenses that keep out 'accidental' incursion and alert defenders to respond to anything intentional. This leaves defenders more energy to counter attacks. It also has the benefit of not 'trapping' the minds of psychics and sensitives inside those walls... which can significant increase the potential for warnings. Consider... a large collection of psi sensitives and precogs, probability warpers, and so on... are about to come under attack. The odds of one of them twigging on it coming is fairly high... unless all external awareness has been cut off by strong wards.
The specific reasons for things changing and how... well... you'll see, as we move forward in year 2.
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Isn't Eldrige making some things or the school?
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Eldritch does things when specifically asked to. Because there are competent Mystic Arts Staff on campus who are the ones responsible for the ward networks, they would likely take pride in maintaining them as best as they can. They know nuance, and what dirty tricks they, themselves, would be likely to use to bypass wards, and add those things in.
Eldritch is powerful, but as far as Magic goes, she's an idiot-savant for physical mystic object crafting. Which means her wards can be physically broken until she actually learns how to USE and understand magic. Everything has advantages and disadvantages.
Why rely on an idiot-savant with an imperfect understanding and a need for massive amounts of materials (so she can be as effective) to cover the school when a few experienced sorcerers can hang wards in the astral, or the air, or what have you? Without the need for massive amounts of salt, iron filings, or more exotic materials?
There's effective, and then there's efficient. For the purposes of Whateley's ward network, Eldritch's powers are not necessarily the more efficient route to protecting the school. Certainly not the most imaginative.
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NJM1564 wrote: Isn't Eldrige making some things or the school?
Eldritch does things when specifically asked to. Because there are competent Mystic Arts Staff on campus who are the ones responsible for the ward networks, they would likely take pride in maintaining them as best as they can. They know nuance, and what dirty tricks they, themselves, would be likely to use to bypass wards, and add those things in.
Eldritch is powerful, but as far as Magic goes, she's an idiot-savant for physical mystic object crafting. Which means her wards can be physically broken until she actually learns how to USE and understand magic. Everything has advantages and disadvantages.
Why rely on an idiot-savant with an imperfect understanding and a need for massive amounts of materials (so she can be as effective) to cover the school when a few experienced sorcerers can hang wards in the astral, or the air, or what have you? Without the need for massive amounts of salt, iron filings, or more exotic materials?
There's effective, and then there's efficient. For the purposes of Whateley's ward network, Eldritch's powers are not necessarily the more efficient route to protecting the school. Certainly not the most imaginative.
8 years 1 month ago #9
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Or, as you'll read shortly:
A secret story wrote: Whateley Academy held the distinction of being one of the most mystically warded places in North America. There were few facilities or buildings with better protections against magic, astral intrusions, and other supernatural phenomena, most of them belonging to government facilities.

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While J.G. no doubt is right regarding letting Eldritch design the wards, still the mystic teachers responsible for them might find ways to leverage the availability of an Artificer to improve their wards. Things like better-quality ward markers and so on -- not so much replacing the spells, but rather supplying better components for the spell.
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What about the magical equivalent of one-way mirror's?
You can scry out, but not scry in.
That would fit in with the theoretical effects of creating a magical circle, eg. the Fool's Circle in Fey & Jade's Christmas Tale.
Also, the protections that Whateley has, aren't just aimed at stopping people scrying. Remember that they are situated in the middle of a magical Toxic Waste dump. There are lots of other things that the wards are designed for.
There was also the thoughts of Hekate, about the functionality, and, the limitations, of the protective magical wardings, in the story where she met with her master, just outside the grounds of Whateley.
You can scry out, but not scry in.
That would fit in with the theoretical effects of creating a magical circle, eg. the Fool's Circle in Fey & Jade's Christmas Tale.
Also, the protections that Whateley has, aren't just aimed at stopping people scrying. Remember that they are situated in the middle of a magical Toxic Waste dump. There are lots of other things that the wards are designed for.
There was also the thoughts of Hekate, about the functionality, and, the limitations, of the protective magical wardings, in the story where she met with her master, just outside the grounds of Whateley.
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