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Question When did MIDs become normal?

7 years 10 months ago #1 by Kettlekorn
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  • According to the wiki, MIDs became required for international border crossings in 1996, but that doesn't necessarily mean that that's when they first became an expected EDC item for American mutants, which could have been either before or after that date. I'm wondering when this happened?

    When did they become required for domestic flights?

    When did Whateley start mandating them?

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    7 years 10 months ago #2 by NJM1564
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  • Kettlekorn wrote: According to the wiki, MIDs became required for international border crossings in 1996, but that doesn't necessarily mean that that's when they first became an expected EDC item for American mutants, which could have been either before or after that date. I'm wondering when this happened?

    When did they become required for domestic flights?

    When did Whateley start mandating them?


    Whateley does not mandate them. Testing perhaps but not MIDs.
    7 years 10 months ago #3 by Rose Bunny
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  • I think it might be international law. Charge got her MID in France, even though there was not ( yet) any expectation of her going to Whateley, or anywhere else overseas, for that matter.

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  • Rose Bunny wrote: I think it might be international law. Charge got her MID in France, even though there was not ( yet) any expectation of her going to Whateley, or anywhere else overseas, for that matter.


    Not international per-say. I think the MCO has a UN charter but the details are different country to country. And as always the MCO will push things to there limit. Even in the US most don't know that MIDs aren't mandatory. Police think it's mandatory, hero's do, villain's, and I think that a lot of MCO agents don't even relies that it's not.
    7 years 10 months ago #5 by Valentine
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  • If I understood correctly. MIDs, and there variously named counterparts, are required by a UN Treaty for all mutants attempting to board aircraft, and at border crossings.

    Whateley does require all students to have an MID.

    Excerpts from Jade 6: Dreams and Awakenings:

    In late 1996, it was made an international law that mutants must report themselves when crossing national boundaries. Identification records became standardized, and the process has continued to evolve until the present day."

    "Let me be clear about this. US law is rock-solid on this point: Any mutant must carry and present their identity card before boarding any commercial aircraft. The Mutant ID card, or MID, must also be presented at any border crossing or customs station. It's something of a convenience, actually, since it's better than a passport, and will get you expedited processing."

    I am sure that more than a few of you will be tempted to travel without a MID. First, let me say that everyone who intends to stay at Whateley will be issued a MID. That means that we will measure and record all your biometric parameters, staff members will negotiate with you to determine an official summary for your powers and abilities, we will condense certain other records, and obtain official clearances with both your own national governments and the MCO."

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    7 years 10 months ago - 7 years 10 months ago #6 by Kettlekorn
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  • Yep. You certainly can legally go without an MID in the USA if you avoid leaving the country and using commercial airlines, but Whateley will not permit you to continue attending for more than a few months. IIRC, it's part of a compromise intended to minimize the friction WA gets from either the government or the MCO itself, I forget which. It also makes it harder for the MCO to find excuses to persecute students.

    But what I'm looking for is the rough dates the various milestones I asked about happened. It's useful when writing stories that take place in those times.

    My best guess is that the MID didn't start really seeing public use until after the Fools Fight in '91 (though it probably had existed in some form since at least the 80s), that it started being required by airlines (not necessarily by law yet) around '92 or '93, and that getting one shortly after manifesting had become the norm by '96 or '97. I'd guess the "It's mandatory to carry them always" myth started to get encouraged in the late 90s, and that it had become assumed reality to the main part of the baseline population by '02ish. Whateley's requirement to get one was probably instituted around 2000. But these are all just guesses, and I suspect this proposed timeline is too fast. So I'm wondering if the canon authors are willing to share the real dates, or if maybe some stories dropped hints that I'm forgetting.

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    7 years 10 months ago #7 by Katssun
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  • I would guess Whateley adoption was almost immediate, as was the requirement for students to get them by their first December at the school. The incredible risk of not having one resulting in mandatory jail time or getting disappeared over Christmas break would violate their charter to protect their students.
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  • From Jade 6: Dreams and Awakenings:

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    7 years 10 months ago - 7 years 10 months ago #9 by Domoviye
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  • Kettlekorn wrote: Yep. You certainly can legally go without an MID in the USA if you avoid leaving the country and using commercial airlines, but Whateley will not permit you to continue attending for more than a few months. IIRC, it's part of a compromise intended to minimize the friction WA gets from either the government or the MCO itself, I forget which. It also makes it harder for the MCO to find excuses to persecute students.

    But what I'm looking for is the rough dates the various milestones I asked about happened. It's useful when writing stories that take place in those times.

    My best guess is that the MID didn't start really seeing public use until after the Fools Fight in '91 (though it probably had existed in some form since at least the 80s), that it started being required by airlines (not necessarily by law yet) around '92 or '93, and that getting one shortly after manifesting had become the norm by '96 or '97. I'd guess the "It's mandatory to carry them always" myth started to get encouraged in the late 90s, and that it had become assumed reality to the main part of the baseline population by '02ish. Whateley's requirement to get one was probably instituted around 2000. But these are all just guesses, and I suspect this proposed timeline is too fast. So I'm wondering if the canon authors are willing to share the real dates, or if maybe some stories dropped hints that I'm forgetting.


    MID's didn't exist until 1996 or so.
    Before that individual countries could register or not register mutants as they pleased. I believe there was a comment in story about Germany registering mutants long before the MID came about. I could see Canada and many European countries doing the same. But they'd each focus on different things.
    Like in Canada it might go so far as a name and address in a hard to reach government database, and saying if they're dangerous or not.
    Another country could just be the name and type of power, with no other identifying info that all police could easily get.
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    7 years 10 months ago #10 by Kettlekorn
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  • Thanks!

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  • Remember this is just my guess.
    7 years 10 months ago #12 by Kettlekorn
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  • Oh. I thought you were speaking officially in this case as the author of A Good Man. Thanks for clarifying.

    The dates and events Carson lists in her assembly do make that seem the most likely scenario though.

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  • Little bit of a side question:

    If MID's weren't enforced and standardized until 1996, was Whateley using code names and costumes for combat finals and arena bouts back when Carson took over as headmistress?

    My reason for asking has nothing to do with writing a microscene set in the early 90s...:dry: :whistle:
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  • assume it was advised and required by the school for personal safety reasons
    7 years 7 months ago - 7 years 7 months ago #15 by E M Pisek
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  • JG wrote: assume it was advised and required by the school for personal safety reasons


    Think of it like when SSN's became available in the United States. At first they weren't required for much as there was nothing back then to associate it to anything, then along came credit in the early 50's if I remember and they were hard to get. But then people were providing their SSN's to hospitals and so forth even when not required as lenders were finding it easy to do a background check and so forth.

    Now the same is being applied to those that are given MID's. At first they were a suggestion and like any suggestion it grew to where its almost mandatory as with having certain restrictions. But those restrictions are generally not covered by those in wanting that info as they want you to divulge it voluntarily and claim that you freely provided it, such as say your real name vs your code name. They can cover themselves by claiming that they didn't ask for it. It's also why you don't just give someone your SSN card or MID as they have no use for it except to prove who it was issued to and can find out more info by you relinquishing it willingly.

    It was also why people that were issued CAC cards were reminded not to relinquish or even let others photo it claiming they needed to. It was a form of ID but only for restricted use. Many tried as it provided them with info on how to design one to gain unauthorized access.

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