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7 years 10 months ago - 7 years 10 months ago #1 by NJM1564
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    Valentine wrote: In late 1996, it was made an international law that mutants must report themselves when crossing national boundaries.

    The Mutant ID card, or MID, must also be presented at any border crossing or customs station.


    How does that effect those who can teleport? Do they have to stop at each border crossing? Should they? After all it is there power and there is no law yet saying that they have to notify anyone if they choose to use it.
    And there's no real way to stop them from bouncing across the world in the first place is there?
    Fortunately that kinda long range telaportation is rare but still it's something that could use a discussion.

    Could there be something like a GPS installed on there MIDs. With specific permissions to allow travel with out going threw customs each time. Something like an international shipping contract. Or international telaporating license.
    That is if they could get that exception past the MCO and goodkinds.
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  • 7 years 10 months ago #3 by Sir Lee
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  • Teleporters are just one class of supers that are hard to keep from crossing borders. There are all the fliers, too -- consider how hard it would be to keep even a low-powered flier with no other enhancements from crossing the Berlin Wall. Too low and too non-metallic to be caught by air traffic radar; too high and too silent to be caught by the usual ground-level measures. IR might work, but then it might trigger false positives every time a flock of birds flew by. And that was a relatively short, highly-controlled border. Keeping a flyer from crossing, say, the U.S.-Mexico border? Hopeless.

    There are others who could do it by creative use of their powers, too. Psis waltzing through checkpoints projecting a "somebody else's problem" field. Water-breathers swimming long distances. Speedsters taking advantage of gaps in patrol too short for other people. Density changers diving underground and passing under the barriers.

    However, for most supers it's something that's possible but still inconvenient and risky. Yes, a high-end flyer could visit Europe on his own power, but it's a long, tiring trip, and could call unwanted attention to them. Even if they are villains, most of the time they will be trying to keep a low profile. So they will travel by more conventional means most of the time.

    There are a few who could do it frequently, like the long-range teleporters mentioned on the topic title. Still, how much harm one guy popping from the U.S. to France could cause? If they are doing this for criminal reasons, the crossing of the border is the least of the reasons to try jailing them. If they are, say, smuggling drugs... well, smugglers have found ways to avoid or deceive border controls for ages. So it's nothing really new, just a new mechanic. And a high-end teleporter can find much better jobs than being a mule for a Colombian drug cartel.
    And if they are just popping into Napoli for pizza... well, what's the real problem?

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    7 years 10 months ago #4 by MageOhki
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  • Or to bribe their sister, like a certain Pittsburg based teleporter...
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  • Sir Lee wrote: Still, how much harm one guy popping from the U.S. to France could cause?


    Kidnaping, stealing, tereristing, transporting illegal flute, vegetables or samples of Jericos wardrobe, there could be a lot of harm to be had.
    7 years 10 months ago #6 by Valentine
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  • NJM1564 wrote:

    Sir Lee wrote: Still, how much harm one guy popping from the U.S. to France could cause?


    Kidnaping, stealing, tereristing, transporting illegal flute, vegetables or samples of Jericos wardrobe, there could be a lot of harm to be had.


    Not the illegal flutes.

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  • Valentine wrote:

    NJM1564 wrote:

    Sir Lee wrote: Still, how much harm one guy popping from the U.S. to France could cause?


    Kidnaping, stealing, tereristing, transporting illegal flute, vegetables or samples of Jericos wardrobe, there could be a lot of harm to be had.


    Not the illegal flutes.


    Yes illegal flutes.
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  • Sir Lee wrote: And if they are just popping into Napoli for pizza... well, what's the real problem?


    For something like that, not so much.

    Bypassing quarantines meant to keep invasive species and specific diseases out of a country can be an immense problem. A harmless-looking snail can wipe out entire greenhouses once it lays eggs and the following generations start eating and reproducing.

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  • null0trooper wrote:

    Sir Lee wrote: And if they are just popping into Napoli for pizza... well, what's the real problem?


    For something like that, not so much.

    Bypassing quarantines meant to keep invasive species and specific diseases out of a country can be an immense problem. A harmless-looking snail can wipe out entire greenhouses once it lays eggs and the following generations start eating and reproducing.

    you just know there is some evil teleporter that's thinking... "Mwah hah hah, I will smuggle fruit and ferrets into California!" ( it is illegal to do either)

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  • Rose Bunny wrote:

    null0trooper wrote:

    Sir Lee wrote: And if they are just popping into Napoli for pizza... well, what's the real problem?


    For something like that, not so much.

    Bypassing quarantines meant to keep invasive species and specific diseases out of a country can be an immense problem. A harmless-looking snail can wipe out entire greenhouses once it lays eggs and the following generations start eating and reproducing.

    you just know there is some evil teleporter that's thinking... "Mwah hah hah, I will smuggle fruit and ferrets into California!" ( it is illegal to do either)


    Usually, it's more like "It's my bag of hand-picked oranges from my cousin's back yard in Florida. It was a gift, and I'll bring it in if I want to!"

    Toss out some citrus canker -infected orange peels close to someone's backyard citrus trees in California: it's not like that's an important cash crop.:blink:

    Then again, someone might use a teleporter to help out with some agricultural biowarfare.

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  • Ah, yes. Because nobody without superpowers crosses borders illegally. :D

    Teleportation (etc.) makes illegal border crossing easier. And being a mutant makes the legal border crossing procedure more complicated. But it doesn't change the basic balance of the situation.

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  • null0trooper wrote:
    Then again, someone might use a teleporter to help out with some agricultural biowarfare.


    Australia does have to get revenge for all the foxes, rabbits, mice and cane toads the rest of the world has dropped off there.
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  • Domoviye wrote:

    null0trooper wrote:
    Then again, someone might use a teleporter to help out with some agricultural biowarfare.


    Australia does have to get revenge for all the foxes, rabbits, mice and cane toads the rest of the world has dropped off there.


    They lived???

    there is a list of the most deadly creatures on earth and like 90% are in Australia! So what damage could a mouse, beside Micky! Who damages everything he touches do? lol

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  • lighttech wrote:

    Domoviye wrote:

    null0trooper wrote:
    Then again, someone might use a teleporter to help out with some agricultural biowarfare.


    Australia does have to get revenge for all the foxes, rabbits, mice and cane toads the rest of the world has dropped off there.


    They lived???

    there is a list of the most deadly creatures on earth and like 90% are in Australia! So what damage could a mouse, beside Micky! Who damages everything he touches do? lol

    mice are already eaten by 99% of species including herbivores who want a bit of protein or aren't paying attention. Making already deadly things a bit more deadly won't stop mice.

    And check out some videos on mice in Australia, its terrifying how they breed and create a moving carpet in barns, boxes and machines.
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  • Domoviye wrote:

    lighttech wrote:

    Domoviye wrote:

    null0trooper wrote:
    Then again, someone might use a teleporter to help out with some agricultural biowarfare.


    Australia does have to get revenge for all the foxes, rabbits, mice and cane toads the rest of the world has dropped off there.


    They lived???

    there is a list of the most deadly creatures on earth and like 90% are in Australia! So what damage could a mouse, beside Micky! Who damages everything he touches do? lol

    mice are already eaten by 99% of species including herbivores who want a bit of protein or aren't paying attention. Making already deadly things a bit more deadly won't stop mice.

    And check out some videos on mice in Australia, its terrifying how they breed and create a moving carpet in barns, boxes and machines.


    I have seen it and was making a funny--- 'the mouse that roared' is a fave movie of mine!

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  • lighttech wrote: They lived???

    there is a list of the most deadly creatures on earth and like 90% are in Australia! So what damage could a mouse, beside Micky! Who damages everything he touches do? lol

    Are you kidding? Rabbits are such a problem that the Australians literally fenced off most of the continent in the hopes of keeping them contained.

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  • Arcanist Lupus wrote: Are you kidding? Rabbits are such a problem that the Australians literally fenced off most of the continent in the hopes of keeping them contained.


    Rabbits and Emus Australia's greatest weakness
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  • Which is still better than what I once saw described as "Snail Warfare in the Pacific".

    Giant African land snails were introduced to several Pacific islands to be a food source. They immediately began ravaging the local plant life at a literal (but not figurative) snail's pace. In order to control the population of African snails, carnivorous snails (Florida rosy wolf snails) were introduced. The carnivorous snails immediately got to work devouring every snail in sight - except for the African snails. And of course these were islands with isolated ecologists, which means that several of the snail populations being destroyed existed only on these islands.

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  • Ebola wrote:

    Arcanist Lupus wrote: Are you kidding? Rabbits are such a problem that the Australians literally fenced off most of the continent in the hopes of keeping them contained.


    Rabbits and Emus Australia's greatest weakness


    We don't really have any large, or medium, native carnivores.

    Dingo's are rare, tassie devils limited to Tasmania, Crocs to the far north, and I honestly can't think of another that would be big enough to eat a rabbit except a really big snake.
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  • International Teleportation

    Sounds like a company

    "When your package absolutely HAS to be in Burkino Faso in two minutes!"
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    Ebola wrote:

    Arcanist Lupus wrote: Are you kidding? Rabbits are such a problem that the Australians literally fenced off most of the continent in the hopes of keeping them contained.


    Rabbits and Emus Australia's greatest weakness


    We don't really have any large, or medium, native carnivores.

    Dingo's are rare, tassie devils limited to Tasmania, Crocs to the far north, and I honestly can't think of another that would be big enough to eat a rabbit except a really big snake.

    What about a drop bear?

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  • Arcanist Lupus wrote:

    annachie wrote:

    Ebola wrote:

    Arcanist Lupus wrote: Are you kidding? Rabbits are such a problem that the Australians literally fenced off most of the continent in the hopes of keeping them contained.


    Rabbits and Emus Australia's greatest weakness


    We don't really have any large, or medium, native carnivores.

    Dingo's are rare, tassie devils limited to Tasmania, Crocs to the far north, and I honestly can't think of another that would be big enough to eat a rabbit except a really big snake.

    What about a drop bear?


    They prefer larger prey, like kangaroos and humans.
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  • annachie wrote:

    Ebola wrote:

    Arcanist Lupus wrote: Are you kidding? Rabbits are such a problem that the Australians literally fenced off most of the continent in the hopes of keeping them contained.


    Rabbits and Emus Australia's greatest weakness


    We don't really have any large, or medium, native carnivores.

    Dingo's are rare, tassie devils limited to Tasmania, Crocs to the far north, and I honestly can't think of another that would be big enough to eat a rabbit except a really big snake.


    Foxes, feral cats and wild previously domesticated dogs ... not exactly helping the native wildlife here.

    To put this into perspective, the rabbit problem was so bad that the Australian government accidentally created germ warfare ... well, actually there was no 'accidentally' about it, they were real proud of their achievement and published it in all the best scientific journals ... and then realised that the rest of the world had no interest in using it for animal control :(

    Anyway, the rabbits are a problem, but the biggest ecological disasters in Australia are carp destroying the rivers, and cane toads killing everything under the sun (they are poisonous if eaten, and just because something has their own toxins, doesn't make them immune to the poisons of other animals). Seriously, those two alone are on track to totally destroy the majority of Australia's biodiversity.
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  • Bek D Corbin wrote: International Teleportation

    Sounds like a company

    "When your package absolutely HAS to be in Burkino Faso in two minutes!"


    "What do you mean 10k per pound! that is outrageous! ohhh alright it has to be there in 10 min or I lose the account?"

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