Question multi-generational crossovers.

Of course it cant really happen that Gen 2 spawns a storyline that is continued in Gen 1, due to the laws of time travel in the Whateley universe, but the concept of direct cross-overs is an old one between television shows. Starting a story on one show and directly ending it on another. I Recall a Simon and Simon/Magnum P.I./ Murder, She wrote story that started on one show, continued on another, and finished on the third. being true sister shows, The Bionic Woman and Six-Million Dollar Man used to do this all the time. It's gotten even more popular with franchises like CSI, the "Arrowverse", Law and order, and the Chicago Fire/Med/PD series.

We have already had Gen 1 plotlines resolve in Gen 2, with the defeat of Snakey, but hoew long until a DIRECT crossover occurs? A story begins directly in a Gen 1 story with a conclusion in the following Gen 2 release shortly after, i.e. the "2-parter"...

Rose Bunny wrote: Of course it cant really happen that Gen 2 spawns a storyline that is continued in Gen 1, due to the laws of time travel in the Whateley universe,

Well, there are ways. For example, the Gen 2 folks could be trying to solve some old mystery in their half of the story, but then instead of watching them continue working on it, we switch POV to Gen 1 and see events as they happened. Then it can switch back to Gen 2 and let us know how much of that they actually figured out. Or if you've ever read Neal Stephenson's Cryptonomicon, think of how it wove together the WWII and 90s timelines.

true, oh butteriest of us all, but that would still mean it -started- in Gen 1. Fun with temporal mechanics.

The chronological sequence of cause-effect is not necessarily the story, though. The story is the path the reader follows through those events. It's the journey itself, not the abstract list of places they visit. For example, Loophole's story begins in 2006, even though it visits 2005, the 90s, the dark ages, and even the pre-Sundering. Think of the emotions you felt reading through her story. Would you have felt those same emotions if it had begun with Kodiak and Grizzly and progressed chronologically up to the present? It would be the same events, but a completely different story. It isn't just that the same emotions happen in a different order, either. The functions of the various events change, and the emotions change with them. The big reveals wouldn't be reveals anymore, and meanwhile the foregone conclusions about the past would no longer be predetermined. Does Grizzly survive the Sundering? We wouldn't know until it happens. Laneth's death would be a surprise. That whole mindfuck situation with Lanie and Songbird would be a tragedy in progress, not a set of shocking reveals. And then when we finally got to the events of the original Loophole stories, we'd have all of this baggage and context to view them through. Totally different experience.

Rose Bunny wrote: true, oh butteriest of us all, but that would still mean it -started- in Gen 1. Fun with temporal mechanics.

Oh, but what's really gonna bake your noodle later on is, would we still have written it if you hadn't said anything?

Yes? or maybe no? I dunno... distracted by Jobe's favorite comedy, Orphan Black.

We have at least one Gen 2 story that sets up a story in Gen 1.

Following the Path of Cute whateleyacademy.net/index.php/2nd-gen-ca...ing-the-path-of-cute

We know from this story that Wondercute becomes a club with a secret room and a sponsor and eventually runs out of members willing to keep it going. We don't if that story will be told or not, some might (the getting the room and sponsor), but the rest probably not.

Kristin Darken wrote: You also know that Fubar is no longer on campus in a tank. Most of THAT story actually takes place in the neutral zone. But you're probably going to see the outcome in Gen 2 before getting the foreshadowing and build up in Gen 1 before getting the actual 'how it happens'... which while it happens in the neutral years, will probably be told from a point somewhere into the G2 storyline as a trigger point for other events.

Follow that? I think I have the temporal mechanics mapped right...

Dang Romulans.

Valentine wrote:

Kristin Darken wrote: You also know that Fubar is no longer on campus in a tank. Most of THAT story actually takes place in the neutral zone. But you're probably going to see the outcome in Gen 2 before getting the foreshadowing and build up in Gen 1 before getting the actual 'how it happens'... which while it happens in the neutral years, will probably be told from a point somewhere into the G2 storyline as a trigger point for other events.

Follow that? I think I have the temporal mechanics mapped right...

Dang Romulans.

"Mutant Mayhem Machine, please report to the sims for the Kobayashi Maru scenario."

"Mutant Mayhem Machine, please report to the sims for the Kobayashi Maru scenario."

All while the Capt Kirk action theme plays in the background!

Kettlekorn wrote: The chronological sequence of cause-effect is not necessarily the story, though. The story is the path the reader follows through those events. It's the journey itself, not the abstract list of places they visit. For example, Loophole's story begins in 2006, even though it visits 2005, the 90s, the dark ages, and even the pre-Sundering. Think of the emotions you felt reading through her story. Would you have felt those same emotions if it had begun with Kodiak and Grizzly and progressed chronologically up to the present? It would be the same events, but a completely different story. It isn't just that the same emotions happen in a different order, either. The functions of the various events change, and the emotions change with them. The big reveals wouldn't be reveals anymore, and meanwhile the foregone conclusions about the past would no longer be predetermined. Does Grizzly survive the Sundering? We wouldn't know until it happens. Laneth's death would be a surprise. That whole mindfuck situation with Lanie and Songbird would be a tragedy in progress, not a set of shocking reveals. And then when we finally got to the events of the original Loophole stories, we'd have all of this baggage and context to view them through. Totally different experience.

This was an approach that was taken by the writers of the VampireTheMasquerade, where they created a timeline of events, then each wrote one novel that was written from the PoV of a specific Clan of vampires. It gave a very interesting flavour to the reading experience, as you got to taste each of the world-views that the different Clans had.

It was later when they released an anthology, that split the original novels into chronological order, and you had a very different flavour of reading experience.

As they said in the afterword, it was fun, but they weren't going to do it again in a hurry...