Question Karedonia

It seems that everytime someone is planning to go to Karedonia in a story the whole thing is over before they get there. I have to wonder if we are ever going to get to see this Island first hand. I'm working on fanfic and would like my POV character to get washed up there. But I'm kind of stuck on what could happen to a newly emerged mutant that found herself in Karedonia. Nominally she will be a US citizen, and yes a victim of m2f mutation, with sufficent changtes in apperence to make identity a little hard to prove. I'm still not sure how I want ot end things but its either. Canon descriptions of the Island, its coast and robotic defences would really be handy.

* She escapes and makes it to a US Navy vessal in the Carribean.
* She gets sponsored to go to Whateley by the Lana Wilkins, offically on track to become a Karedonian agent afterwards.

Just a thought, but a question like this, considering you're also giving basic concept details of what you're doing for a fanfic, might fit better down in "The Tunnels" rather than out in the broad daylight of the Quad.

Incidentally, I quite like the concept you bring up here of a new mutant being sponsored to Whateley by the Karedonian royal family with the intention that she will eventually be employed as a Karedonian agent. I'm actually toying with a similar idea.

This may be slightly off topic, but does manifesting as a m2f or f2m change your fingerprints?

As in most such questions, the answer is "it depends." For most "normal" cases (Chaka, Lancer, Electrode, Zenith...) is probably doesn't. I would think that even Knockoff kept her original fingerprints, instead of getting her mothers' -- fingerprints aren't genetic. But cases like Fey, Tennyo, Eldritch or even Folder? It's quite possible that their fingerprints were changed -- if they even *have* fingerprints now, that is. In the end, the answer is "whatever the writer decides." - as long as the writer has a justification for even keeping or not keeping the fingerprints.

(Possible interesting case: Paige and Petra Donner. I would guess that one of them kept the prints of Merry's left hand, the other kept the prints of Merry's right hand -- but the member which was fully regenerated might have different prints now, unless their overpattern took care of keeping the old prints)

amratner wrote: This may be slightly off topic, but does manifesting as a m2f or f2m change your fingerprints?

A quick Google says that there are detectable gender specific differences in finger prints. Meaning that your sex chromonsones are significant here and any mutation that changes you on the chromosonal level would be reasonably expected to also change your fingerprints.

There is also the issue that as a rule no one is likely to have your fingerprints on file unless you have been previously arrested. And even then its not guaranteed, especilly for children. Depending on the jurastiction Police may not be permitted to fingerprint a child, or may require parental consent to do so.

I've never been arrested, but the government has my fingerprints.

There are lots of children that have been fingerprinted as part of security measures to ID them in cases of kidnapping and murder.

Gee, that's depressing.

I was going to go with, it's quite common these days (with fingerprint scanners) to get fingerprinted entering and leaving countries, so anyone who travels internationally has usually a thumbprint in all sorts of government databases.

Related note, when I was born the hospital birth certificate had my footprints on it.

A lot of companies require you to submit fingerprints as with a possible background check if your company works for the government.

amratner wrote: Related note, when I was born the hospital birth certificate had my footprints on it.

That's pretty standard in the United States. Fun fact, it's footprints because they develop earlier than fingerprints. Most babies are born with entirely smooth hands.

As regards Karedonia, I'd love to see more from the canon authors on it. Given what we've seen of Jobe's relatives, he's probably not exaggerating, but I could see him having embellished things a bit...

Ib12us wrote: A lot of companies require you to submit fingerprints as with a possible background check if your company works for the government.

As do companies in Finance/Banking.

Ok well that just shows what I don't know about the present day USA. The idea. Of an employer asking for fingerprints just looks weird to me. Here in Australia it just does not happen. Heck I work with credit cards and I have had to do a mandatory police check, and even that didn'e involve fingerprinting.

Anyway does anyone have any thoughts on Karedonia and what the place might look like?

I don't know how things work in Australia, but...

Here in Brazil, employers don't ask for fingerprints because they don't need to. They just request the official state ID card and the Federal Tax Bureau enrollment number. All background checks are indexed to one or both of these numbers. And yes, in practical terms you HAVE to have those, particularly the first one, if you want to take part in modern society. You can get by without those if you are, say, a subsistence farmer in the hinterlands, living in utter poverty and disconnected from the rest of the world. But that's pretty much it.

From what I understand, there is no single identifier you can trust in the U.S. -- the closest they have is the Social Security number, and even that has lots of gaps. So employers do it the hard way: requesting fingerprints and submitting them to the appropriate agencies for background checks.

Fingerprints are taken to prove you have no criminal background. Anyone working in an engineering firm that does military work can require an even deeper background test as part of the hiring process.

And I'm talking about programmer/emgineer level jobs, not bank tellers.

jmhyp wrote: emgineer level jobs

Yeah, those jobs can be pretty important. Accidentally putting someone of poor character in charge of designing your m's could cause a whole font of problems.

Down here in Oz we have a tax file # (Basically our identity with the tax office) and provide a couple of forms of ID.

The more secret areas might have more, but really that's about it as far as I know.

There is an initiative in the United States to tie together IDs in a more trackable manner (the Real ID act, which most people have been hearing about lately in breathless emails about how people in certain states won't be able to fly next year), but it's hampered by a fair amount of opposition ranging from state rights (because identification is so closely linked to driving, it falls under state transportation mandates) to people being very uneasy about the government who keeps losing databases and getting hacked into holding a central repository of a lot of identifying information.

FuzzyBoots wrote: There is an initiative in the United States to tie together IDs in a more trackable manner (the Real ID act, which most people have been hearing about lately in breathless emails about how people in certain states won't be able to fly next year), but it's hampered by a fair amount of opposition ranging from state rights (because identification is so closely linked to driving, it falls under state transportation mandates) to people being very uneasy about the government who keeps losing databases and getting hacked into holding a central repository of a lot of identifying information.

One of the other problems is a very antiquated system. As has been shown in the past, antiquated airline traffic control updates, computers dating back to the 50's running on tapes (IRS) and so forth, Congress cannot help but meddle in the affairs as it would be a win for some in their districts if they were to obtain the contracts to update the records. How many countries rely on a piece of paper with a certain set of numbers with no pictures, or other forms of method to be tampered with to be used as an I.D. Social Security cards have not been updated in decades but are now used to identify an individual in a database that has numerous problems in itself. I.D. theft is becoming such a problem and the bureau is prohibited by Congress to discuss such matters with the individuals as well as other agencies that could clear up the matter. The IRS gets multiple tax claims on the same SSN as well as fraudulent claims, be this by a childs SSN stolen or used illegally by their own parents. Even before they become an adult they cannot obtain credit because of the misuse itself.

That I'm afraid is just the tip of the iceberg.

There are 4 states and American Samoa that will be affected by the Real ID act, which was passed 10 years ago. The reason why those 5 are affected has to do with the security of the card, or not meeting the standards of identity when they are issued.

And while I can count the instances on one hand, I've met several truck drivers that had multiple Drivers Licenses issued by multiple states, all active and used. (The truckers would record which license was used for traffic violations in which states so they didn't get repeat tickets.)

Huh. Every state I've lived in has requested the prior state's driver's license so that they could punch a hole in it and invalidate it (you could claim to have lost said license I suppose, but it made things more difficult since you couldn't use it as one of your forms of ID).

And, at least last I heard, a large number of states are not compliant, but have filed extensions claiming that they will get them compliant, just not by January 2016 . If you have a better source than DHS, I'd like to hear it. Or are you jsut referring to the states that have laws on the books that currently prevent implementation?

What's to stop someone from getting a replacement for a "lost" license, then turning in one to get a new one in a different state.

I don't remember where I saw the info on Real ID, it was a random news article from googling.

*shrug* Probably all sorts of ways to game the system. I suspect that they largely just make it a little difficult to discourage people from stockpiling old IDs and altering them for new identities.

I honestly don't expect a huge amount of fallout for the states that haven't implemented it. There will be a lot of sound and fury, people will get extensions, and everyone will be compliant somewhere around 2018 with no one being barred from planes in the interim,.

Valentine wrote: What's to stop someone from getting a replacement for a "lost" license, then turning in one to get a new one in a different state.

I don't remember where I saw the info on Real ID, it was a random news article from googling.

When we were in college, my brother (nearly 2 years older but we STILL looked like twins) sort-of "LOST" his driver's license. I had 2 years of access to bars, because we looked alike enough and I knew all the vital statistics if I was questioned. Even with Real ID, it probably wouldn't have stopped us.

A few states have basically said "screw you" to the government because of a (healthy?) general distrust of a large central government and a fear of what the government can do with one's vital statistics (besides LOSE them! Which they did!)

Until the government modernizes and gets good security in place, that reluctance to trust the government is understandable. My entire family are now on a government-paid Identity Theft protection program because of the hack in Office of Personnel Management's computers. Millions of people are affected. I've also been affected by a hack in the IRS that resulted in fraudulent tax claims using my SSN and info. 'Nuff said.

elrodw wrote:

Valentine wrote: What's to stop someone from getting a replacement for a "lost" license, then turning in one to get a new one in a different state.

Until the government modernizes and gets good security in place, that reluctance to trust the government is understandable. My entire family are now on a government-paid Identity Theft protection program because of the hack in Office of Personnel Management's computers. Millions of people are affected. I've also been affected by a hack in the IRS that resulted in fraudulent tax claims using my SSN and info. 'Nuff said.

Being an ex contract employee as well as a retired Vet I cannot tell you how many notifications I've received concerning hacks, lost hard drives and whatnot where it concerns my identity.

Even with a tightened security system its always come down to the lowest possible denominator when it comes to theft. The human element, be it you or those that take care of the information. Also I've once carried another Mil ID due to me 'loosing' it, only to find it later. I of course destroyed it later on. Neither differentiate one from the other when found other than my pic. And back then it was easy to peel away the outer layer to replace it with a new pic.

I once found a females teens ID in the barracks who was the daughter of a Col. Lets just say I didn't want to be in her shoes once dear old daddy was informed, as the card reflected that she was 21 and not 17.

Back to Karedonia -

I read a dystopian story (it was a TG/gay story, so it may not interest all) on Big Closet Top Shelf; the premise was that the government was forcing equality by taking away the ability to use connections to get ahead. Everyone had an implanted PDA, which also monitored social interactions and flagged those who abused the 'guidelines' from on high. In high school, you were assigned friends and romances. Spend too much time with the 'wrong' people, and you get points, much like points on a drivers' license. Who you want for friends or romances is irrelevant; the government decides. Break the rules often enough, and you 'dropped out of society' into a semi-recognized world with severe repercussions and privileges. So the government is constantly monitoring every aspect of everyone's lives. In the story, the protagonist's mother is pushing too hard at work to succeed, so she's 'assigned' an office fling so the gossip will slow her career. That's the kind of thing that the 'Big Brother' government is doing. (BTW, the story is "Luck of the Draw" - it has a gay (G-rated) romance, so it's not for everyone - despite that, it's very, very well done and thought-provoking)

The concept is intriguing as a basis for a dystopian society. I can see such a thing on Karedonia or Wallachia - eventually. Monitor the proles. control their interactions with punishment for non-compliance. The ultimate in a totalitarian regime. .

elrodw wrote: The concept is intriguing as a basis for a dystopian society. I can see such a thing on Karedonia or Wallachia - eventually. Monitor the proles. control their interactions with punishment for non-compliance. The ultimate in a totalitarian regime. .

For some reason, I could see Emperor Joe having an application with "relationship values" for all of his citizens, and occasionally playing it as the world's most complex dating sim.

elrodw wrote: The concept is intriguing as a basis for a dystopian society. I can see such a thing on Karedonia or Wallachia - eventually. Monitor the proles. control their interactions with punishment for non-compliance. The ultimate in a totalitarian regime. .

It doesn't pass the "too much work" test though. Once you have the inserted "pda", there's no reason to limit interactions. Just track them. When someone does something to actually get on your radar. Then you can descend on the like a proper brutal totaltarian regime. But before that, why bother? It wastes your resources having to pair people up.

Frankly, Harrison Bergeron has a much scarier premise to me.

jmhyp wrote:

elrodw wrote: The concept is intriguing as a basis for a dystopian society. I can see such a thing on Karedonia or Wallachia - eventually. Monitor the proles. control their interactions with punishment for non-compliance. The ultimate in a totalitarian regime. .

It doesn't pass the "too much work" test though. Once you have the inserted "pda", there's no reason to limit interactions. Just track them. When someone does something to actually get on your radar. Then you can descend on the like a proper brutal totaltarian regime. But before that, why bother? It wastes your resources having to pair people up.

Frankly, Harrison Bergeron has a much scarier premise to me.

if your interest is social engineering and control, then it's not too much work; social justice warriors don't EVER spend too much time or effort trying to force equality of outcome on society. And with a decent AI system monitoring things, you don't need as much effort to enforce your social "utopian" view.

If, however, you're just a tyrannical dictator or emperor and want to control people, then you just record and look for bad stuff and you don't have to monitor all social interactions.

I think that you people are thinking too hard about making Karedonia a dystopian 'Big Brother' state. And, while it has definite possibilities in that direction, Karedonia has one redeeming feature: namely, that Gizmatic doesn't really CARE.

Now, please, keep in mind that Karedonia's two major sources of income (Tourism and Banking) are SERVICE economies. Not only that, but the two most notorious markets for those services are the Uber-Rich and Supervillains. Neither of those two customer bases are well known for putting up with Nosy Parkers. But the primary rule of Karedonia is: Don't Piss In Joe Wilkins' Beer'. Gizmatic basically wants to hang out in his lab, develop yet another better Death Ray, make some money, mercilesssly crush anyone who pisses him off, and relax. As long as you don't piss Gizmatic off, or make him actually have to work at being a leader, and he's very laid back. Well, at least policy wise.. Leave him alone, don't make stupid noises about 'Justice' or 'Equality' or 'Decency', don't hold conspiratorial meetings, don't piss off the US or Mexico or Cuba or Venezuela, don't prey viciously on the other guests, and everything's cool!

By and large, Gizmatic is more than willing to leave the running of his country to his Ministers, all of whom are scared to death of him. What nosiness Gizmatic does have tends to be focused on them. Public services? That's his Ministers' jobs. And they know better than to do a crappy job of it, 'cause the Boss has very high standards about that sort of thing. They're padding their own overseas bank accounts, but... so what?

But, if you're a guest in one of the hotels or Time/Share lairs and you're not messing with HIM in any way shape or form, and well, that's cool!

In a strange way, Gizmatic is a very Republican (as in GOP) kind of guy

So in this universe, I'd be heading to Kardonia. A government that runs but likes to keep things simple, please sign me up.

*Shudder*

In my experience, governments that "like to keep things simple" actually means "the rich get away with murder, and the poor get exploited to death."

Give me a government that actually cares enough about all its people to be nosy any day.

Bek D Corbin wrote: In a strange way, Gizmatic is a very Republican (as in GOP) kind of guy

^_^ Sounds more Libertarian to me. Do what you will and, for the most part, things regulate themselves.

I think that you people are thinking too hard about making Karedonia a dystopian 'Big Brother' state. And, while it has definite possibilities in that direction, Karedonia has one redeeming feature: namely, that Gizmatic doesn't really CARE.

I seem to recall that the other rule is don't mess with the natives. The Book of Jobe and the wiki mention that native culture is protected on Karedonia, which is one of the reasons why its very hard for a forgein power to ferment desent on the island. Migrants to the country are not however so lucky, seeing as they have to basically sign their lives away to get there and can be used for medical experiments.

Quick question: Would you need to exchange your Dollars, Euros or what-evers for the "Wilkin" the local currency, or does Karedonia take what ever you happen to have in your pocket?

Probably takes every major currency, because its a tourist destination and it makes money laundering easier.

Domoviye wrote: Probably takes every major currency, because its a tourist destination and it makes money laundering easier.

That was kind of my thinking as well, but I wanted some other opinions or a WoG.

I think that, like in many similar tourist traps, it's a matter for each business to decide. They may choose to accept foreign currency in order to attract customers.

Of course, it depends on how much Emperor Wilkins wants to keep of the dough. For instance, say if island residents and business get a much less favorable exchange rate than visitors -- let's say tourists get 1 Wilkins to the dollar (minus fees), while residents get 0.6 Wilkins to the dollar. This would force businesses to charge almost double price for payment in U.S.dollars, so visitors would make sure to exchange their currency beforehand.

OTOH, that would create a dollar-based black market -- islanders with foreign currency would much prefer to exchange it for smuggled merchandise than to exchange it for local currency.

So it's a matter of what sort of economy Gizmatic wants to have on the island. Considering that one of his major revenue streams comes from financial services, I would think he would want as unregulated an economy as he could make it and still keep it reasonably stable -- otherwise all those offshore banks would look for somewhere else to establish themselves.

Cryptic wrote: Quick question: Would you need to exchange your Dollars, Euros or what-evers for the "Wilkin" the local currency, or does Karedonia take what ever you happen to have in your pocket?

While I was in Germany in the Army, the locals were happy to take Dollars. They gave a crappy exchange rate compared to the official one, but at times that was what was in my wallet.

I imagine in Karedonia, Dollars, Euros, Canadian Dollars, anything local and stable, Yen, Yuan, would spend. Show up with some Zloty's and you might need to hit a bank.

Yeah, it wouldn't surprise me if Karedonia didn't actually have an official currency, and mainly used the US dollar or the Euro as the standard that everything was compared to.

Wallachia, on the other hand, I would imagine has it's own unique currency, and that using anything else is generally frowned upon.

Arcanist Lupus wrote: Yeah, it wouldn't surprise me if Karedonia didn't actually have an official currency, and mainly used the US dollar or the Euro as the standard that everything was compared to.

Wallachia, on the other hand, I would imagine has it's own unique currency, and that using anything else is generally frowned upon.

I was going to suggest GizCoins (like bitcoin but shadier) as a possible digital-only currency that the country would use and allow favorable exchange rates for their natives and visitors. It would also encourage criminals that accept them to physically come to the island to exchange them to get a bigger payday. or at least keep a part of their criminal empire there to do so. Something like the can be traded anywhere and cashed-out at poor rates but if you come to Karedonia you can get a third up to a half better if traded in an official Karedonian bank.

If they have a physical currency they could have Gizmarks, Gizmos or just GBucks. (not to be confused for Gizbucks who sell "a mean cup of Joe(tm)" )

Karedonia, being a member of the League of Caribbean Nations, makes use of its currency, similar to the euro, which is the Caribbean Hegemony Interisland Legal Tender Lexicon, or as it is referred to, the CHILL. Because honestly relaxing in the Caribbean is very expensive, and you can't afford to go to the Caribbean if you don't bring enough CHILL.

So remember, CHILL, Mon!

Next week we will explain how every island in the Caribbean is in the same time zone called collectively Island Time.

I'm never sure if E.E. is giving us official canon info or just pulling our collective legs.

Sir Lee wrote: I'm never sure if E.E. is giving us official canon info or just pulling our collective legs.

You and me both, Sir Lee...

NeoMagus wrote:

Sir Lee wrote: I'm never sure if E.E. is giving us official canon info or just pulling our collective legs.

You and me both, Sir Lee...

That's what makes it great!



Generally if the information doesn't exist I'll tend to make up something silly as a way of giving everyone a chuckle instead of saying we didn't think about that.

It's been spoken about by one of the original canon writers, it's now WoG, and must be put into the wiki, because having a currency called CHILL is too awesome.

In general (in all things), I generally consider WoGs to be canon, but contradictable in that it can be considered canon, but if it is later contradicted by a story by that author (or group of authors in this case), then the story overrules the WoG.

You guys are all wrong. It's not the Caribbean CHILL, nor the Euro or Dollar or Yen or Renminbi. You forgot all about the gaming arena on Karedonia, borrowed liberally from the gladatorial contests of Rome and now syndicated worldwide. Of course, the unit of betting at said arena has to be the ..... (wait for it)

Quatloo!

Which is in such numerous quantitites that it's become the de-facto currency of Karedonia and is rapidly spreading to become a world reserve currency

And, of course, if the unit of currency is named the "Chill" then its subunit (one-hundredth of a chill) would be the "Netflix"?

It's Gizmatic, the unit of currency is the Treazant.

Sir Lee wrote: And, of course, if the unit of currency is named the "Chill" then its subunit (one-hundredth of a chill) would be the "Netflix"?

Actually yes, though the currency is so strong the 'Netflix' had to be broken into an eight part subunit due to its tremendous buying power in the musical industry, these pieces of eight are actually referred to as Columbia Houses .

Ten chills are colloquially referred to as, "going," while twenty hold the moniker of, "easy," but the rarest chill is the hundred denomination, referred to as "seriously." So if you were to collect all three of the printed bills you would be Seriously Easy Going .

E. E. Nalley wrote: Next week we will explain how every island in the Caribbean is in the same time zone called collectively Island Time.

Except of course for the small island owned by M. C. Hammer.

-sits cracking up-

I am honestly half tempted to have Gizzy pushing for a Caribean currency, and grumbling about a toked up guy suggesting calling it a CHILL...

Am I the only one that wants to see Karedonia have an anthem like the one for Parador?

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DanZilla wrote: Am I the only one that wants to see Karedonia have an anthem like the one for Parador?

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I was thinking more like this: Link

Valentine wrote:

DanZilla wrote: Am I the only one that wants to see Karedonia have an anthem like the one for Parador?

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I was thinking more like this: Link

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Except it would be Karedonia.

Why did I know that that would be Animaniacs?

As soon as someone mentioned national anthems for Karedonia,]I rather immediately thought along the line of this (start at the 6:10 mark)

Hmm. I'm thinking... Giz was born around 1955, putting him at the tail-end of the Baby Boomers. His young adulthood -- while musical tastes start to mature and stabilize -- was in the Seventies. So, who would he want to hire to write the Karedonian Anthem? Someone with both the required sense of the epic, and at the same time satisfy the personal preferences of the Emperor?

I'm thinking... Rick Wakeman, perhaps? If Giz was a bit younger, maybe he would have gone for John Williams...

Henry Mancini?

Ron Gainer, but alas he passed away in '81.

I think that Giz (being a die-hard Whovian) would be a fan of Grainer, but even if he were alive I don't think that he had the epic style for a national anthem. Mancini is an interesting idea, but Nalley's suggestion brought to mind a few other well-known soundtrack composers... Enio Morricone, Alexander Courage and Jerry Goldsmith -- the last two of which have Star Trek cred on their side.

But most of those are only composers. They would need a poet for the lyrics too...

I could imagine His Imperiousness Emperor Wilkins insisting that any time he enters a room in an official capacity, there HAS to be the Imperial March from Star Wars playing

elrodw wrote: I could imagine His Imperiousness Emperor Wilkins insisting that any time he enters a room in an official capacity, there HAS to be the Imperial March from Star Wars playing

Being played Dalacks.

Domoviye wrote:

elrodw wrote: I could imagine His Imperiousness Emperor Wilkins insisting that any time he enters a room in an official capacity, there HAS to be the Imperial March from Star Wars playing

Being played Dalacks.

You mean something like this?


(Imperial March played on 8 floppy disc drives)

Some Nerds really have too much time on their hands

John.

rubberjohn wrote:

Domoviye wrote:

elrodw wrote: I could imagine His Imperiousness Emperor Wilkins insisting that any time he enters a room in an official capacity, there HAS to be the Imperial March from Star Wars playing

Being played Dalacks.

You mean something like this?
-snipped video-
(Imperial March played on 8 floppy disc drives)

Some Nerds really have too much time on their hands

John.

No the blaster and plunger arms are replaced with kazoos.

For some reason I can 'hear' the Karedonian anthem being played on a Theremin... (scary, Firefox's spell check knew the spelling.)

For "theremin"? Not that scary, it's a legitimate musical instrument that I see mentioned fairly often.
Now, if the Firefox spellchecker knew about Karedonia, I would be wondering...

Daleks can actually sing surprisingly well . (Well, it's surprising that they can sing at all, at least).

Giz is too old for Star Wars. He was already in his 20s when it came out and people of that age tend not to be Star Wars fans (being more likely to be into Star Trek or Doctor Who).

Rick Wakeman is an excellent choice for someone to write you a national anthem. Although, I'd love to hear a Roger Waters Nat'l Anthem. OTOH, maybe Giz was into metal.. A national anthem with distorted guitars could be cool.

We know that Karedonia is built on an artificially created magma dome, but how much is the instability a bluff and how much is reality? I guess the main question I'm asking is; Is Karedonia prone to earth quakes, and how well prepared for them is Giz's infrastructure? And does Paradise suffer the same Geo-stability issues?

Cryptic wrote: We know that Karedonia is built on an artificially created magma dome, but how much is the instability a bluff and how much is reality? I guess the main question I'm asking is; Is Karedonia prone to earth quakes, and how well prepared for them is Giz's infrastructure? And does Paradise suffer the same Geo-stability issues?

Well, I can't say about Paradise, but Karedonia is as stable as weird science will let it be. Gizmatic has said that there are no earthquakes on Karedonia that aren't the result of him pressing a button.

Good to know Giz did think about that when he built up his nation.