Question A "Dr. King" of Mutant Rights?
- Cryptic
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- Valentine
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Don't Drick and Drive.
- Sir Lee
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One of the reasons that Dr. King (and Malcolm X for that matter) achieved leadership positions was that they were African-American themselves. I mean, can you see people marching from Selma because a white guy told them to do so? When you are fighting for rights, support from outside can be welcome, but for the leadership to have any real cred, it has to come from inside the group.
There's the people from Evolution Rocks!, but it seems to suffer from the same problem -- it's mostly composed from non-mutant sympathizers, not mutants themselves. And, as we have seen in "Calamari", the mutants don't seem to take them too seriously.
Mutants have been too few in number to organize a serious Civil Rights movement. But that's changing. Things like Thuban's Faction 3 could be the seed for it. It's not too unlikely that by, oh, sometime in the 2020's a cabal of the most politically savvy mutants (people like Thuban, Jadis, Ayla... not necessarily them, but people with similar abilities) could assemble such a movement. Of course, if it were those three, they would still need a frontperson -- neither of them is really suited to the role.
- mhalpern
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Sir Lee wrote: Not quite the same. Captain Patriot is not a mutant, for one thing. He's not a leader, he's a sympathizer.
One of the reasons that Dr. King (and Malcolm X for that matter) achieved leadership positions was that they were African-American themselves. I mean, can you see people marching from Selma because a white guy told them to do so? When you are fighting for rights, support from outside can be welcome, but for the leadership to have any real cred, it has to come from inside the group.
There's the people from Evolution Rocks!, but it seems to suffer from the same problem -- it's mostly composed from non-mutant sympathizers, not mutants themselves. And, as we have seen in "Calamari", the mutants don't seem to take them too seriously.
Mutants have been too few in number to organize a serious Civil Rights movement. But that's changing. Things like Thuban's Faction 3 could be the seed for it. It's not too unlikely that by, oh, sometime in the 2020's a cabal of the most politically savvy mutants (people like Thuban, Jadis, Ayla... not necessarily them, but people with similar abilities) could assemble such a movement. Of course, if it were those three, they would still need a frontperson -- neither of them is really suited to the role.
So the frontperson could be, Jade- no wait wrong message, Tennyo's too much of a powerhouse and radioactive, they need a mutant who is good with the press and familiar with politics, yet can also connect with those who are less fortunate than themselves, powerful enough to thwart most assassinations and doesn't have a school to run.... maybe they should look in Cinci?
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- mhalpern
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Any Bad Ideas I have and microscene OC character stories are freely adoptable.
- konzill
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- Arcanist Lupus
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Also, a mutant Dr. King suffers in that their limelight is partially obscured by the superheros. Either they are a superhero, which is a problem for the same reason that mhalpern described for military backgrounds, or they aren't a superhero, in which case the heroes steal the spotlight.
"Shared pain is lessened; shared joy, increased — thus do we refute entropy." - Spider Robinson
- NeoMagus
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They still have to survive whatever's coming in 2008, and then whatever else the Cabal (TINCC) decides to throw at them after that.
Probably shouldn't start counting chickens just yet, if you know what I mean. The eggs still have a LONG way to go yet.
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- Domoviye
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- Arcanist Lupus
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"Shared pain is lessened; shared joy, increased — thus do we refute entropy." - Spider Robinson
- mhalpern
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Any Bad Ideas I have and microscene OC character stories are freely adoptable.
- mhalpern
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Usually Champions pass the mantle at the time of their passingArcanist Lupus wrote: The one that comes to mind is Champion. Maybe after he passes the mantle on to somebody else, he could unmask and become a spokesperson.
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- Sir Lee
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But I'm sure that there are other suitable candidates. I mean, even if we limit ourselves to the Gen1 student pool (which is only a fraction of the total mutant population), I'm sure we could find someone, between of the Capes, Venus Inc., the Betas, several of the Golden Kids (although being rich might be a hindrance for this particular role)...
- mhalpern
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Sir Lee wrote: Actually, after she grows up (I AM projecting this to sometime in the future; the first-gen characters might be in her thirties by then), Stacy might not be a bad choice. She is smart, fairly well-spoken, fairly popular, knows not to break the rules needlessly... even her short stint as an outlaw might play well, as a "victim of prejudice forced to run from her own home." There is the TG aspect that could conceivably be a distraction, but even there attitudes are changing -- witness Caitlyn Jenner and the Wachowski sisters.
But I'm sure that there are other suitable candidates. I mean, even if we limit ourselves to the Gen1 student pool (which is only a fraction of the total mutant population), I'm sure we could find someone, between of the Capes, Venus Inc., the Betas, several of the Golden Kids (although being rich might be a hindrance for this particular role)...
Stacy could play the TG aspect off as "no one controls their mutation", assuming she comes out publicly or is found out.
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- mhalpern
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The only way it could work is if they piggybacked off of other civil rights movements, rather than having a single dedicated one, taking the "stand for others and they may stand for you" approach and using cyberspace and smaller, but more wide spread action rather than grouping everyone together.
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- Domoviye
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That would be safer and more effective for them, than marching down the street. With the internet mutants could start a viral campaign about their experiences, situations, hopes, and discrimination without scaring the baselines so much or risking a riot. Have a few big events every two or three months and it could go far.
- Valentine
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Don't Drick and Drive.
- Arcanist Lupus
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Domoviye wrote: That would be safer and more effective for them, than marching down the street. With the internet mutants could start a viral campaign about their experiences, situations, hopes, and discrimination without scaring the baselines so much or risking a riot. Have a few big events every two or three months and it could go far.
Yeah, any Mutant Rights campaign designed to follow the exact steps of the Civil Rights Campaign is doomed to failure because the way media is consumed nowadays is too different. Which is not to say that the Civil Rights Movement isn't a useful role model, but that a Mutant Civil Rights movement would have to take into account how the world has changed.
"Shared pain is lessened; shared joy, increased — thus do we refute entropy." - Spider Robinson
- E M Pisek
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Thanks cousin Murphy.
What is - was. What was - is.
- ~Archangel~
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But I'm cynical.
Many people hear voices when no-one is there.
Some are called 'mad' and shut up in rooms where they stare at the walls all day.
Others are called 'writers' and they do pretty much the same thing.
-Ray Bradbury
- mhalpern
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~Archangel~ wrote: Also with the level of toxic discourse and extreme views I'd expect that if a Mutant Civil Rights movement got any traction there would be an incident with various non-mutants hurt/killed, all caught on camera.
But I'm cynical.
In Gen 1 yes, but Calamari Part 3 tells a different story
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- elrodw
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mhalpern wrote:
~Archangel~ wrote: Also with the level of toxic discourse and extreme views I'd expect that if a Mutant Civil Rights movement got any traction there would be an incident with various non-mutants hurt/killed, all caught on camera.
But I'm cynical.
In Gen 1 yes, but Calamari Part 3 tells a different story
Remember that a decade exists between where Gen 1 is NOW and where Gen 2 is NOW. During that time, a civil rights leader could have arisen and been imprisoned or assassinated or discredited. Some agencies that remain nameless COULD have done 'false flag' operations to discredit the mutant rights movement. Rager or other incidents, like riots, could have re-stoked public fear. So the mutant rights / relations status in Gen 2 IS far different from the status in Gen 1. Some of these 'incidents' may be mentioned as background stuff - with or without explanations - to set the scene for the state of affairs in Gen 2.
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- Kristin Darken
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The movement itself was actually somewhat derailed at the peak of its success. The fought this long battle, they struggled with legislation and finally got the Voter's Rights Act approved (and take a look at the effort that took in the documentation of its progress through Congress... almost two whole months of filibustering to try to stop it). And then, with marches and riots and everything else happening to change people's understanding of the way the world was going to be... it was undercut by war and the draft for Vietnam ( www.stripes.com/news/special-reports/vie...alty-of-war-1.313273 ).
We were well into the 80's before the focus started to shift back away from war to racial and gender issues... and the first Gulf war happened without the use of a draft and without high US casualties... and the majority of the population was still shamed by the way we had treated Vietnam vets and refused a repeat of that - creating a positive message of support for, if not the war, the troops involved. That was repeated again, somewhat after 9/11. Too many people were rattled by those events to denounce the war effort... so, at home, we continued looking at those same issues of equality, now focused on the inequalities facing the LGBT community.
But what about in the WU where, instead of going from the Civil Rights Movement into the Vietnam war and then having almost a generation of dealing with issues 'at home' that were technically already resolved and people just needed to adapt to; you add in another element to the mix. Mutants. Mutants, unlike "blacks, hispanics, asians, etc", actually are dangerous. Not just culturally. Not just making us think about things in ways that the Bible says is wrong... but in ways that involve your house being ripped apart. Or your wife being mind controlled. And while you're a little bit worried about the guy on the other side of the tracks robbing you because he's too lazy to get a job... there's no doubt in your mind that the mutant is dangerous. And what's more important, that Hispanic guy in the part of town that you won't park your car? He thinks mutants are dangerous too. It's actually the one point of common ground you have with these people who you have been told have equal rights as you. So suddenly, the person who is in everyone's focus as the one who shouldn't have rights? The mutant.
So, in a way, civil rights in the WU are lagging behind our own because instead of our non-war time focus being on civil liberties at home, it has been eyeing the growing mutant population. A successful movement would be to convince other minorities that mutants are now in the same position that 'they' were before the Vietnam war distracted everyone with a draft and sending poverty income men to die in SE Asia...and work to achieve rights for all men and women, no matter the color of their skin, their religion, or their ability to lift all the Congressional lobbyists with the power of their mind. But mutants have to convince everyone that they're just another minority, first. And that's difficult to do when you actually have power... even if its not political power.
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