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8 years 4 months ago #1 by JG

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I'll admit, I'm somewhat at a loss for what to do with her. By herself, Murphy's a good character, but my muse isn't interested in writing my alter-ego in a supers setting. Doesn't exactly grab me very hard.

I'm probably going to chisel her away from "me" if I don't let her fade into the background, completely.

But I'd rather write characters that aren't... me, even if it's me as a gag.

If you want to weigh in on the topic, feel free. This is more me giving the fair warning that if I pick her up again, she's going to divert. hard.

8 years 4 months ago #2 by elrodw

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JG wrote: I'll admit, I'm somewhat at a loss for what to do with her. By herself, Murphy's a good character, but my muse isn't interested in writing my alter-ego in a supers setting. Doesn't exactly grab me very hard.

I'm probably going to chisel her away from "me" if I don't let her fade into the background, completely.

But I'd rather write characters that aren't... me, even if it's me as a gag.

If you want to weigh in on the topic, feel free. This is more me giving the fair warning that if I pick her up again, she's going to divert. hard.

She COULD start hanging out with Kayda....

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8 years 4 months ago - 8 years 4 months ago #3 by DanZilla

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She likes cold... what about the Frozen bunch... we've got Elle and we could probably dress Wyatt like a snow man.

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8 years 4 months ago #4 by Valentine

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elrodw wrote:
JG wrote: I'll admit, I'm somewhat at a loss for what to do with her. By herself, Murphy's a good character, but my muse isn't interested in writing my alter-ego in a supers setting. Doesn't exactly grab me very hard.

I'm probably going to chisel her away from "me" if I don't let her fade into the background, completely.

But I'd rather write characters that aren't... me, even if it's me as a gag.

If you want to weigh in on the topic, feel free. This is more me giving the fair warning that if I pick her up again, she's going to divert. hard.

She COULD start hanging out with Kayda....

Maybe GOOD things would start happening to Kayda then.

JG, either let her fade into the background or change her. I'd rather you write what you want to write, than see you force yourself to write something else.

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8 years 4 months ago #5 by elrodw

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JG wrote: I'll admit, I'm somewhat at a loss for what to do with her. By herself, Murphy's a good character, but my muse isn't interested in writing my alter-ego in a supers setting. Doesn't exactly grab me very hard.

I'm probably going to chisel her away from "me" if I don't let her fade into the background, completely.

But I'd rather write characters that aren't... me, even if it's me as a gag.

If you want to weigh in on the topic, feel free. This is more me giving the fair warning that if I pick her up again, she's going to divert. hard.

On a serious note, if you move her into Dickinson for the second year, there's a certain Sidhe girl who will need a roommate, and that would keep Murphy around and a tiny bit more visible (side char in Elle stories) until you decide what more you want to do with her.

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8 years 4 months ago #6 by Sir Lee

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Well, the way I see it, the idea of the Lit Chix being alter-egos of the authors is just a sort of an in-joke. Loophole, for instance, broke out of that constraint sometime around her second story. I would argue that several of the others don't resemble the authors that much either. Don't think of Murphy of being "you", more like her being a character who shares a few personality quirks with a self-deprecating caricature of yourself.

Don't call me "Shirley." You will surely make me surly.

8 years 4 months ago #7 by Cryptic

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I could see the Rev 'tutoring' her on how to 'handle' her necromatic abilities while getting the Goobers some hands on training.

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8 years 4 months ago #8 by JG

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I wouldn't call it necromantic, more necroheadacheic.

I never, ever, EVER intend for murphy to be able to control the dead things.

They just follow her around like useless, lost puppies.

8 years 4 months ago #9 by Dawnfyre

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Cryptic wrote: I could see the Rev 'tutoring' her on how to 'handle' her necromatic abilities while getting the Goobers some hands on training.

tutoring her by getting her to jump around while in a graveyard.

goobers there to kill off the reanimated bodies.

big graveyard, like Arlington.

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8 years 4 months ago #10 by Cryptic

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Dawnfyre wrote:
Cryptic wrote: I could see the Rev 'tutoring' her on how to 'handle' her necromatic abilities while getting the Goobers some hands on training.

tutoring her by getting her to jump around while in a graveyard.

goobers there to kill off the reanimated bodies.

big graveyard, like Arlington.

Humm wonder if Dunwich and Berlin have any 'special' burial rituals...

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8 years 4 months ago - 8 years 4 months ago #11 by Phoenix Spiritus

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I'm sure it's just a coincidence they have more crematoriums then cemeteries.

Watching the silently shuffling hoard line up, finally curiosity got too much.

"Kristoph, why are all your zombies Muslims?"

Kristoph's shoulders slumped and he sighed. "I had to get them locally, zombies don't travel well," he muttered finally.

"Err, New England isn't exactly known for their large Muslim population ..."

"It's Dunwich OK!" Kristoph snapped. "Only the Muslims burry their dead in New Hampshire! Everyone else cremates them!"

"Oh, that makes sense. Even without you creating zombies, it's not like the dead stay in their graves long around here, something always comes along and tries to dig them up ..."

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8 years 3 months ago #12 by NJM1564

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Dawnfyre wrote:
Cryptic wrote: I could see the Rev 'tutoring' her on how to 'handle' her necromatic abilities while getting the Goobers some hands on training.

tutoring her by getting her to jump around while in a graveyard.

goobers there to kill off the reanimated bodies.

big graveyard, like Arlington.

Oh great idea. "Kids this is where your great grandmother is buried... What are you doing to my nana!!!"

8 years 1 month ago #13 by Mister D

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“Because if you learn to do things that feel impossible, everything else feels easy by comparison,”

This!

It has to be one of the most effective approaches i come up with to cope with un-medicatable ADHD!

You really end up focusing very carefully, when if you make a mistake, you die.

Or get seriously injured. Or seriously injure someone else.

Parkour, free-sparring with real melee weapons, fire-juggling, working with molten metal, arc-welding, blacksmithing, jamming free jazz, anything that requires real focus on the activity, and not all of the other interesting things that are going on inside my head.

Nice description. Thanks, JG.

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8 years 1 month ago #14 by null0trooper

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Mister D wrote: Parkour, free-sparring with real melee weapons, fire-juggling, working with molten metal, arc-welding, blacksmithing, jamming free jazz, anything that requires real focus on the activity, and not all of the other interesting things that are going on inside my head.

That's just the hyperfocus kicking in

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For me, the bigger problems come when interrupted in the middle of something and I have to task switch (usually by some extrovert who Must Have Interactive Conversation NOW, about something that bears no relation to anything I'm doing).

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8 years 1 month ago #15 by JG

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null0trooper wrote: task switch

Having to do this unexpectedly can completely derail my entire DAY.

8 years 1 month ago #16 by Mister D

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That's just the hyperfocus kicking in .

It's one of the more useful side-effects of ADHD.

Task-switching/distractability is one of the less useful effects, but that's all in how i have learned to use the ADHD to get shit done.

https://twitter.com/Rebecca_ChampUK has some fascinating ideas about how to use it more effectively.

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8 years 4 weeks ago #17 by JG

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Katssun wrote: .

It's been brought up before that she never used to apply herself. After being ousted, ostracized, and recognizing she was a bitch, and overhearing Nimbus, she's changed. She paid attention, but never really tried. She and Murphy are disturbingly alike. One is a reformed queen bee, the other has ADD.

Moving this here so as not to derail kayda 10.

But in many ways this is accurate. But Murphy has a few things more wrong with her.

When I originally tossed her into Whateley she was supposed to be another joke character. Unfortunately I didn't have a good handle on what to filter out to make her particularly light-hearted or likeable.

Murphy blames a lot on her ADD but she also suffers greatly from seasonal affective disorder. This is basically chemical depression from not getting enough vitamin D. She is Schizoid. She doesn't hear voices, she just operates on an alternative logic system that while valid, makes human behavior confusing to her and seemingly nonsensical.

Now add she's socially awkward to begin with and tends to fight back before she engages her brain, with a cynical streak a mile wide, Murphy is hard to like or get along with for many, many people.

And even though her systematic terrorism of Tansy, hamper and damper is the first time she's been mad enough to take a grudge that far? Its not too different from Tansy's behavior in the end.

But she tries! She just sucks at beig a good people.

8 years 4 weeks ago #18 by DanZilla

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JG wrote:
But she tries! She just sucks at being a good people.

The kids see through to the heart of the matter... even if she didn't bribe them with Bouncy House time and candy and caffeine.

8 years 4 weeks ago #19 by Katssun

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But the same way Tansy is now trying to make up for what she's done (or at least starting to feel guilt about it), Murphy is way ahead of her. Murphy freaked out about GSD kids a lot when she first got to school, but now some of them are her best friends, and overcompensating hypocrites like Pucelle are among her most hated enemies.

The fact that she's turning into some variant of Vamp just makes things even weirder...

Murphy tries, and sorta succeeds.

Speaking of her turning into exemplar Vamp, does the fact that she can't really get overweight like she used to dramatically increase the risks of TCS for her?

8 years 4 weeks ago #20 by JG

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I have not determined how much like vamp murphy will be. She won't have the same build, or eyes. I'm going to flip a coin to determine if she winds up like vamp in gender.

She won't share powers. She won't have Vamps savvy without years of practice.

But she will always be at risk of TCS. She will always be recklessly stoic when actual adversity hits, and bitchy when it only grazes her. She will always tend to want to take the direct path of problem-solving.

But she might wind up having her crazy break enough to be a functional person sometime. She might get smarter, and might start getting what the hell other people are thinking in the moment.

But ultimately, I don't know where she will end up. I just know it won't be an easy road.

8 years 3 weeks ago - 8 years 3 weeks ago #21 by Schol-R-LEA

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At the risk of a bit of insensitivity, is the diagnosis (for Murphy, which depending on how you write things may not be quite the same as for you) schizoid personality disorder, or schizotypal personality disorder? From what I understand, it could be either, but the 'atypical thought patterns' are more associated with the latter, while the former is more a diagnosis regarding a lack of social cohesiveness; while not all schizoid individuals are the classic 'Vulcan' types (the phenomenon of 'schizoid extroversion' is a confusing one, but it is an established pattern), the main characteristic of schizoid (vs. schizotypal) is in the lack of strong emotional bonds due to an inability to relate to ordinary emotions.

(This shouldn't be confused with the lack of empathy, the inability to place a meaningful value on other people's emotions in one's own emotional state, which is more in line with antisocial personality disorders such as sociopathy and psychopathy. Murphy does understand the weight of other people's emotions even if she can't understand the emotions themselves. This stands in stark contrast to Tansy, who shows all the signs of situational psychopathy - she was so traumatized by her father's actions that she let her empathy shut down in order to get by, and being surrounded by true psychopaths such as Freya, Don Sebastiano, Hekate, and, well, her father, didn't do much to help.)

I am no psychiatrist, so I probably am misunderstanding some of this, or at least missing some nuances to it. I am just trying to get a better grasp on what you mean. I do think that schizoid describes her better from what we've seen, but they are closely related disorders, and the way you said that made me wonder.

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8 years 3 weeks ago #22 by JG

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Murphy is a bit weird.

She's a bit weird. Scizotypal is close,

Murphy can empathize, but it's more backtracking the situation and comparing to how she would feel, it's not an intuitive thing unless she knows a person incredibly well. She cares about what affects her actions have on others.

Sometimes she misses details and winnds up facepalming later.

8 years 3 weeks ago - 8 years 3 weeks ago #23 by Schol-R-LEA

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Fair enough.

WRT Tansy, and in comparison to, say, Jobe, I should add that AFAIK the only way one might be able to differentiate 'situational'/'nurture' ASPD - that is, muted empathy due to PTSD or an anti-social living environment - and 'neurological' ASPD - which isn't proven to exist, though there is evidence for it - is after the fact, if they stop exhibiting antisocial behavior when taken out of the corrosive environment and given suitable treatment. Note that this is speculative, because IRL it isn't clear if there is a qualitative difference, and also because people with ASPD Primarily Manipulative AKA psychopathy, are usually very good at hiding their lack of empathy (IIRC, it is speculated that clinically diagnosed psychopaths are only about a fifth of the actual number, with most simply going unnoticed because they never get into a situation where it leads them to any blatantly anti-social actions).

The point being, Tansy appears to be recovering, something very rare in psychopaths of any kind - whereas Jobe's sociopathy (unusually low violence, but still sociopathy, as unlike her father she's not really inclined to play the sort of head games typical of psychopathy) could be due to either nature or nurture, but unless she changes her behavior in a compelling way, we'd never know, and even then it could be bluff.

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8 years 3 weeks ago #24 by JG

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Tansy isn't a sociopath, if she was, she would never feel guilt, and her "recovery" would be entirely contrived to get all eyes off her so she wouldn't have to face the consequences of her actions.

Tansy, bluntly, is mimicking her family's behavior, which seems to be "whoever has the gold makes the rules."

And because she's had her nose rubbed in her own crap a few dozen times, she's starting to see what face is looking back in the mirror. It's gonna be a bumpy ride for her because she has to bash hersef over the head that her upbringing was WRONG.

8 years 3 weeks ago #25 by E. E. Nalley

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From a medical standpoint there is nothing wrong with Tansy, other than she has a very skewed view of right and wrong. Up untill recently right was whatever you got away with and wrong with what you got caught doing. And if you had enough money wrong could become right. None of these problems are medical they're just bad upbringing.

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8 years 3 weeks ago #26 by Sir Lee

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Essentially, what is happening to Tansy is part of growing up. Enormously simplifying, everybody goes through three major phases:
- Childhood: "My parents are perfect, they are always right."
- Adolescence/college years: "My parents are idiots full of crap who are out of touch with reality."
- Adulthood: "My parents are flawed human beings, like everybody else. They have good and bad points, like everybody else."

Tansy just broke into Phase 2. She started questioning the values her parents (well, mostly her father) taught her, and accepting that there are other ways to look at the world. She is accepting input from other directions, and starting to form her own worldview. But it takes time, she's just beginning. And she's having a sharper readjustment than most.

Don't call me "Shirley." You will surely make me surly.

8 years 3 weeks ago #27 by Schol-R-LEA

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Well, yes; that is exactly what I meant by 'situational psychopath': someone whose actions are indistinguishable from those of a psychopath, but not rooted in actual psychopathy. The problem is that antisocial personality disorder (like the majority of psychiatric diagnoses) is a clinical diagnosis rather than a differential one - there is no fixed test for ASPD, and it isn't entirely clear if it is really a single disorder, a cluster of related disorders, or even a syndrome that can be the result of several different underlying disorders. Still the point - that regardless of her past behavior, she is not and never was a 'real' psychopath - is actually what I was trying to convey.

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8 years 3 weeks ago #28 by Arcanist Lupus

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JG wrote: When I originally tossed her into Whateley she was supposed to be another joke character. Unfortunately I didn't have a good handle on what to filter out to make her particularly light-hearted or likeable.

I've always wondered why you and EE chose to give your Lit Chicks major stories, instead of using them as comic relief, lampshading, and side stories as had been the previous custom. Sounds like in your case you forgot to lock down your muse.

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8 years 3 weeks ago #29 by E. E. Nalley

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Arcanist Lupus wrote:
JG wrote: When I originally tossed her into Whateley she was supposed to be another joke character. Unfortunately I didn't have a good handle on what to filter out to make her particularly light-hearted or likeable.

I've always wondered why you and EE chose to give your Lit Chicks major stories, instead of using them as comic relief, lampshading, and side stories as had been the previous custom. Sounds like in your case you forgot to lock down your muse.

Well, this would be the part where I go all George Lucas claimed we planned this way 30 years ago, etc. etc. Fact the matter is Lily was not particularly well received, and I'll admit that I chanted way too much Violet Parr when I created her. In my defense, I will say that it was not deliberate, nearly subconscious. Well having your major character universally panned is just the thing to have the muse go on strike. Diane had written Fractious enter combat final which I helped her with a little bit, which gave me the inspiration to write Gearhead. And once Elaine had her foot in the door of my mind there was no evicting her. I wrote the next several stories in an attempt to get Maggie interested again and when that failed and it looked like the whole project may stall in the 2010 2011 timeline which are rough years for us. A lot of authors when MIA, we lost Bob Arnold God bless his memory, and all the server woes we had. But, we recruited some fresh blood and I decided to pick up the main Alpha plot line and get it moving again in the hopes that we could at least get the year finished if not move on to year two.

Twice I've tried to put Loophole down, once with Crime and Chaos/Rotten to the CORE and now with the Tansy stories. We'll see how that goes.

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8 years 2 weeks ago #30 by JG

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Arcanist Lupus wrote: I've always wondered why you and EE chose to give your Lit Chicks major stories,

In the case of Murphy's Laws, she was a character with the one trait I needed to make it believable that she would be able to, from start to finish, hit every plot landmine I had originally planned for semester two so I could catch up, close down, or resolve everything that was hanging loose without stretching disbelief.

She's a probability warper.

When I dropped out, I was burned out, badly. Mostly because I was tired of watching certain parties on the old forum shit up the story discussions and try to tear down the work of people I liked and respected, or tried to shit up my own stories. Now don't get me wrong, I LIKE constructive criticism, things that tell me how I might be able to grow as a writer, tell better stories and such. What we were dealing with was as toxic as any video game forum in it's own special way.

And I'm glad the faces from those days that are still here, are here on this forum. DPragan's illustrations, Sirl lee's commentaries, and many others were always welcome, even if it was just pointing out an oops here and there as well as the actual reviews.

Everyone else was just nicer about telling the people doing it to go fuck themselves than I was.

When I came back, enough events had happened that I couldn't interweave a lot of the plot threads, red herrings and setups I had put in, so I used Murphy to trip over the landmines. I wasn't going to bugger up the stories the others had already written and published, keeping the Academy's pulse going.

They say that you are your own worst critic. That's true enough to be a lot of the reason why Murphy gets run through the wringer by me without mercy. It's one of the reasons I didn't go out of my way to make her particularly nice, or sociable, or even likable for many people. She has her moments, but I am not interested in setting her up as a major story character ala the Outcasts. She might get a story here and there, but no promises.

I don't know what I'm going to do with Murphy long-term. There certainly isn't anything as far-reaching as the Tansy stories, or the Kayda/Loophole friendship. But she'll be there, and she'll occasionally make some noise.

8 years 2 weeks ago #31 by elrodw

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Oooohhh!! Idea!!

Angst-off between Murphy and Kayda!!

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8 years 2 weeks ago - 8 years 2 weeks ago #32 by E. E. Nalley

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elrodw wrote: Oooohhh!! Idea!!

Angst-off between Murphy and Kayda!!

(Colonel Sharp Voice) Get off..the nuclear warhead...(/voice)

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8 years 2 weeks ago #33 by JG

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elrodw wrote: Oooohhh!! Idea!!

Angst-off between Murphy and Kayda!!

Murphy suddenly realizes what she has done:

"Nacht, just kill me now, please."

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Murphies reply to

(Colonel Sharp Voice) Get off..the nuclear warhead...(/voice)

. Might just be the typical. " But i wanted to feel the power between my legs!" Or was that regarding Kodiak...We'll never know...Unless Tansy uses that as a snark attack against her.

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Arcanist Lupus wrote: I've always wondered why you and EE chose to give your Lit Chicks major stories, instead of using them as comic relief, lampshading, and side stories as had been the previous custom. Sounds like in your case you forgot to lock down your muse.

As a complete outsider who watched it happen ...

It really looked like the original authors had gone, that the newer authors had a meta story they wanted to follow, and a major unwillingness to write someone else's character as a POV story.

So either restart completely, write some else's character (Which they've said on many occasions they wont do), or twist new characters into the story.

Rather than complete new characters, though Kayda is a complete new character, they decided to use existing characters that were theirs. Hence Loophole et al.

Now of course some of the missing authors are back, though not necessarily writing Whateley stories (Maggie, PoetHeather) which means we can see into their characters heads a bit better than if they weren't back.

7 years 2 months ago #36 by marie7342231

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Ok so I'm rereading Diamonds are a Vamp's Best Friend to prepare for newly released ch 4 and I think I hit a snag with the "Murphy turning into Vamp" storyline. In ch 1 of Diamonds, Vamp returns home and spills re: her condition to her mother and what she knows about The Bloodline,

I leaned in, and said, "The reason that they're so interested, is that I'm not really a mutant. But I'm not what you'd call 100% HUMAN, either. No, from what the report I read said 'The Bloodline' is some sort of stable sub-species of Humanity, with several traits that materially distinguish them from the baseline. That last bit's a direct quote from the report. The key distinction being- you guessed it- psychic vampirism. Okay, apparently, I'm a little weird, even by The Bloodline's standards. But here's the important thing: from what I was able to get from that report, The Bloodline Trait is Dominant- Recessive. That means that most of the offspring that parent has with someone who's not of The Bloodline won't have an active trait, unless the other parent has at least a recessive version of the trait."

SO, if this is the case, Vamp is not an exemplar and does not have a BIT. There's no way Murphy can be copying Vamp's BIT and slowly turning into a copy of Alex. JG - Is there something I'm missing?

Thanks for everything! Hope this helps!

7 years 2 months ago #37 by Kristin Darken

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In the sense of copying Murphy's BIT doing a 1 to 1 copy of Vamp's BIT? You're right, Vamp not being a mutant (and especially not a mutant with a BIT) prevents such a thing. However, remember that mutants with a BIT often generate characteristics of their BIT through psychological and metaphysical ideation. So a mutant may fill in all the 'stat boxes' of their BIT at manifestation... some of those might come from whatever metaphysical construct they connect to at manifestation, they may come from their own psyche... or they might remain unstable or even undefined. To some extent, you can see that unstable and undefined BIT's with the appropriate other energy sources and evolutionary traits allow for shape shifting. In other cases those elements may remain undefined/unstable until a traumatic / high-energy event that resembles manifestation enough to allow for the BIT to lock in more data.

So while much or even all of Murphy's BIT may already have been defined... its not so difficult to believe that a Warper of her nature might have unstable attributes/data in her BIT. And while she may not copy directly from Vamp, that doesn't mean that her BIT can't fill those attributes with values that fit her internal profile of what Vamp is. So she could end up with only the worst aspects of Vamp, because that's how she sees Vamp. Or she could end up with some stereotyped version of Vamp. Or whatever...

In simpler terms... you're right, but only in the absolute 'semantics' sense of being right. No, she can't BIT to BIT copy... but end result might be close enough that its easier to just describe it that way.

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7 years 2 months ago #38 by JG

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it's not 1 for 1

They won't be twins in appearance. For one, Murphy will be bigger and look like an albino exemplar Murphy with fucked up eyes, not a clone of Vamp.

Not a perfect copy.

7 years 2 months ago #39 by Katssun

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We also don't know the goals of the mysterious BIT Mangler duo. With the BIT Slicer, we know that they want to help provide those mutants with detrimentally unstable BITs or unfortunate BITs get better, so they don't have to suffer. But the BIT Mangler team's goals are not currently known. What we do know is they went after the plans for the Slicer, and not those of the XSI that Spark built (or they don't have access to it).

The BIT Mangler team very likely specifically chose Vamp because of her Bloodline heritage, and Murphy because of her regen.

Perhaps we should be worried for Envy?

6 years 4 months ago #40 by Rose Bunny

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awww....

High-Priestess of the Order of Spirit-Chan

6 years 4 months ago - 6 years 4 months ago #41 by marie7342231

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JG wrote: I'll admit, I'm somewhat at a loss for what to do with her.

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