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8 years 1 month ago #1 by Cryptic
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    • Thought we had a thread for everyone's favorite Squidly basement dweller, but I can't seem to find it.

    Any who, while hashing out a power set for one of my Fan fic character's Fubar came up in the discussion, and I started wondering how his projections work. I know he's near an Event Level NPC, if the WU was an rpg, and the answer is likely "What ever the GM requires of his powers", but asking any way.

    1. Do his mental projections only appear to who ever they are directed at, or can a passer by who isn't part of the conversation see them, or is the projection just in the head of who ever he is projecting it at?

    2. Can they be caught on camera or be seen in mirrors if other people can see them?
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    8 years 1 month ago - 8 years 1 month ago #2 by GrimGrendel
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    • There was one time (Jade 6) where Fubar talked to Jinn and appeared to her among a crowd without anyone else noticing. I don't know if that was because he only appeared in her mind, or if he made everyone else around his projection ignore him though.
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    8 years 1 month ago #3 by Kristin Darken
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    • Foob's projections are generally a combination of astral projection and telepathy. Mostly, his consciousness travels via the astral and using projective telepathy, links to them... the mental bond is enough of a connection for even normal people to see his astral form as physical (and he can limit those connections to just one person or everyone within sight). It's a technique that most astral travelers can use (impinging on the veil and creating a mental bond), but it is Foob's telepathic strength that allows him to be seen so 'solidly' and by so many. He is also capable of using his other mental/Psi abilities from that point of astral consciousness (like TK).

    Those forms are 'not' physical, the body is still in the astral plane... just taking advantage of be close enough to the veil that any human (or even animal) with a connection to that spirit can see across the veil. So, no... no mirrors, no cameras. Something that sees the EM spectrum might see 'something' but not necessarily something identifiable.
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    8 years 1 month ago #4 by Cryptic
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    • Good. No chance Jess picking up a Humanoid-Fubar look. :)
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    • Kristin Darken wrote: So, no... no mirrors, no cameras. Something that sees the EM spectrum might see 'something' but not necessarily something identifiable.

    <pedantic>Cameras see the EM spectrum ... </pedantic> :huh:
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    8 years 1 month ago #6 by elrodw
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    • DonTZ125 wrote:

    Kristin Darken wrote: So, no... no mirrors, no cameras. Something that sees the EM spectrum might see 'something' but not necessarily something identifiable.

    <pedantic>Cameras see the EM spectrum ... </pedantic> :huh:


    Cameras see visible light, which is only a TINY fraction of the EM spectrum.
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    8 years 1 month ago #7 by null0trooper
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    • elrodw wrote:

    DonTZ125 wrote:

    Kristin Darken wrote: So, no... no mirrors, no cameras. Something that sees the EM spectrum might see 'something' but not necessarily something identifiable.

    <pedantic>Cameras see the EM spectrum ... </pedantic> :huh:


    Cameras see visible light, which is only a TINY fraction of the EM spectrum.


    What a camera "sees" depends on the lensing material used and what the image sensor will pick up. Common surveillance cameras can be defeated using IR light sources, so it's unlikely that even they are limited to visible light. Likewise, IR and UV imaging have commercial uses.
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    8 years 1 month ago #8 by Astrodragon
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    • elrodw wrote:

    DonTZ125 wrote:

    Kristin Darken wrote: So, no... no mirrors, no cameras. Something that sees the EM spectrum might see 'something' but not necessarily something identifiable.

    <pedantic>Cameras see the EM spectrum ... </pedantic> :huh:


    Cameras see visible light, which is only a TINY fraction of the EM spectrum.


    Not actually correct.
    A typical CCD camera has sensitivity into the UV rather better than a human, and much better IR imaging. However this is for imaging CCD's. (I can actually take astronomical pics through clouds thanks to this. For some CCD's, half the image comes from non-human-visble light.

    However 'normal' cameras have filters to restrict the range to roughly the human visible. This is to make colour balancing easier (an unfiltered camera has to do a fair bit of work in software to sort this out.

    And just to comfuse things a bit more, its possible for someone with artificial corneas to see a lot furher into the UV. The retina issensitive to these frequencies, but the cornea blocks them.
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    8 years 1 month ago #10 by Sir Lee
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    • But still, there is plenty of EM spectrum outside of the range of what's generally understood to be a "camera." The entire spectrum from ELF up to EHF and possibly THF (which overlaps with Far Infrared), and everything from X-Rays up to gamma rays, possibly including Extreme UV -- you usually need a specialized camera to detect the farthest parts of the IR and UV spectra.
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    • Anyway, I don't think Kristin was excluding cameras when she switched to talking about EM sensing. The impression I got was that she was just expanding her scope. In other words, rather than reading it as "If instead of a camera, you use something that sees the EM spectrum," I read it as "If you use a camera or something else that sees the EM spectrum."
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    • I was going for simple. Like saying, you don't use a hammer for putting a screw into a piece of wood... nor do you use a screwdriver to to embed a nail. Can you? Yes... and certain models of hammers and screwdrivers are more suited to the crossover than others. But that is neither their purpose, nor are they especially good at it, unless custom modifications are made to them... a process which frequently makes them less effective at their original purpose.

    Cameras also, for example, work differently depending on whether they are digital/filmless or traditional cameras. Neither, of course, function very well to create images of doppler radar... or wireless network traffic.

    Telepathy and psychic 'waveslengths' require the use of a different sensory organ than the eyes. neither cones or rods are triggered in receiving visual images by telepathy... the signal for 'visual' perception comes into the brain via this other sense and is interpreted to be 'visual'. Your brain does much the same during dreaming or trance states. Intepreting data that doesn't come from the sensory organ through the perceptual center in a way that creates images.
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    • Kristin Darken wrote: I was going for simple. Like saying, you don't use a hammer for putting a screw into a piece of wood... nor do you use a screwdriver to to embed a nail. Can you? Yes... and certain models of hammers and screwdrivers are more suited to the crossover than others. But that is neither their purpose, nor are they especially good at it, unless custom modifications are made to them... a process which frequently makes them less effective at their original purpose.


    The three rules of mechanical engineering:

    Rule 1: Always use the right tool for the job.

    Rule 2: The right tool for the job is always a hammer.

    Rule 3: Any object can be used as a hammer.
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    • Arcanist Lupus wrote:

    Kristin Darken wrote: I was going for simple. Like saying, you don't use a hammer for putting a screw into a piece of wood... nor do you use a screwdriver to to embed a nail. Can you? Yes... and certain models of hammers and screwdrivers are more suited to the crossover than others. But that is neither their purpose, nor are they especially good at it, unless custom modifications are made to them... a process which frequently makes them less effective at their original purpose.


    The three rules of mechanical engineering:

    Rule 1: Always use the right tool for the job.

    Rule 2: The right tool for the job is always a hammer.

    Rule 3: Any object can be used as a hammer.
    :twisted:

    I'm sorry for getting off topic. I'll go away now.


    Rule 4 : If it didn't work, you weren't using a big enough hammer.
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    • Rule 5: Remember the thing most often hit with a hammer is the nail... the thumb nail.
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    • So much Fubar discussion. I wonder if he is blushing over it.
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    • jmhyp wrote: So much Fubar discussion. I wonder if he is blushing over it.


    That's a whole lot less messy than sneezing over it.
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    8 years 1 week ago #18 by Cryptic
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    • If Foob is so good at regular chess, why doesn't he learn to play a variant version?
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    • He probably has. But regular chess has lots more players, and therefore it's easier to find someone who gives him some acceptable competition.
    He might try his tentacle at Go too, and probably has -- it just hasn't been shown in history.
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