Question Tennyo

Jarjaross wrote: A slightly different question is what they do with Tennyo during this combat final, but that's a topic for a different thread.

Actually I don't think that will be a big problem in this kind of scenario; Tennyo's powers will be naturally limited by the need to, you know, not kill by radioactive flash-frying her ally and the hostage. A possible tactic for her would be to distract the opponents while her ally stealthily rescues the hostage.

But the scenario can be deliberately made harder for her by giving her a non-stealthy partner and several overpowered opponents, so she wouldn't be guaranteed to distract all of them nor would she be able to mow through them in seconds.

I was actually thinking the scenario might be to easy for her. As soon as she has eyes on the subject fly in, grab them and fly out.

As long as,she manages to not kill the hostage/kidnappee she wins.

Though not all situations have a single hostage…

So to make it a fair situation with Tennyo (taking into account the suggestions from Sir Lee) you have to send her with a rival, make sure there are multiple hostages, give the enemies some way of slowing Tennyo down (quite frankly nothing will stop her), and make it so the bad guys don't just cut and run upon seeing her.

Okay randomish thought, what if Jade wasn't sent in alone and was actually sent in with Tennyo (ignoring the rivals rule, this is the crash after all) and just saved the hostages by herself to give her Onee-sama time to relax… never mind that's not feasible, the coordinators are to sadistic for that.

New idea, they do what they did for the first combat finals and set up the people at different stations, (not telling them who they are working with or facing) and just send some random person in with Tennyo, so we can all watch them running screaming as soon as they see her.

Man my mind jumps gears fast, I went through three situations none of which are related to each other while writing the post. Yeah all of the combat final suggestions here were thought of in the middle of writing the post, you can probably tell that though given the lack of coherency in the post.

One way to slow down Tennyo: handcuff the hostage to a bomb... and connect the detonator to a sensitive radiation detector. If she begins cutting loose anywhere in a 100-meter radius, the bomb goes off. Make sure that Tennyo knows about this trap. Then she WILL have to take it slow and keep her power level down.

Or, if you want it to seem a tiny little bit less contrived and tailor-made for her, say that the villains have an atomic bomb in their possession, and that Tennyo's radiation is liable to trigger it into spontaneously exploding.

Sir Lee wrote: One way to slow down Tennyo: handcuff the hostage to a bomb... and connect the detonator to a sensitive radiation detector. If she begins cutting loose anywhere in a 100-meter radius, the bomb goes off. Make sure that Tennyo knows about this trap. Then she WILL have to take it slow and keep her power level down.

Or, if you want it to seem a tiny little bit less contrived and tailor-made for her, say that the villains have an atomic bomb in their possession, and that Tennyo's radiation is liable to trigger it into spontaneously exploding.

Why think so small?

A hostage situation in an unstable nuclear power plant...

That might give Tennyo an advantage, instead of limiting her power. Since she's essentially immune to radiation, she could enter via paths unavailable to anybody else.

Sir Lee wrote: That might give Tennyo an advantage, instead of limiting her power. Since she's essentially immune to radiation, she could enter via paths unavailable to anybody else.

To take your suggestion, handcuff Tennyo to her partner.

Not if the hostages are the base-line lab-techs that are the only people who can stop the plant going boom.

Adding in fragile necessary equipment would also limit the amount of heavy powers she would be able to use, and it would be a nice test of her fine-control, rather than her maximum power capability.

It would give plenty of opportunity for dramatic tension.

Jarjaross wrote:

Sir Lee wrote: That might give Tennyo an advantage, instead of limiting her power. Since she's essentially immune to radiation, she could enter via paths unavailable to anybody else.

To take your suggestion, handcuff Tennyo to her partner.

Handcuffs don't work on somebody who can simply cut off her arm and grow a new one in seconds.

Kettlekorn wrote:

Jarjaross wrote:

Sir Lee wrote: That might give Tennyo an advantage, instead of limiting her power. Since she's essentially immune to radiation, she could enter via paths unavailable to anybody else.

To take your suggestion, handcuff Tennyo to her partner.

Handcuffs don't work on somebody who can simply cut off her arm and grow a new one in seconds.

… I don't have a solution for that other than Tennyo not thinking of it.

Well, the solution is to add dead-man switches and bombs to the cuffs. And once you've done that, you could just throw in a distance sensor as well, then eliminate the linkage between the cuff entirely. Now you've got two people who have to stay close together and not remove their bracelets or the squishy one explodes.

Or they could just say "We know it's just a toy handcuff, but if you remove it we'll flunk you. Pretend it's magic or something."

Give her a baby, have Jade animate it,

"Your test is to get the baby to the finish. It's a baby, radiation is harmful. Dropping it is harmful. Plasma blasts are harmful. Anti-matter is harmful. It is a normal human baby totally dependant on you.

Waking it will make it cry, which will be detrimental to your stealth."

Enjoy.

If it was Jade, she'd just chop her own hand off cleanly, and then re-attach it using her PK and Regen.

OK, macabre and ... somewhat irrelevant to the conversation?

Sorry. Should have been more specific.

Add "As a way of removing the handcuff, " to the start of my previous post.

Is it a worry that I instinctively knew what the comment about Jade chopping off her own hand was referring too?

Jade would just send a copy into the cuffs and unlock them. Why would they want to give Jade a free set of cuffs?

sam105 wrote: Jade would just send a copy into the cuffs and unlock them. Why would they want to give Jade a free set of cuffs?

And when they weren't looking, those same handcuffs would latch onto their wrists.

sam105 wrote: Jade would just send a copy into the cuffs and unlock them. Why would they want to give Jade a free set of cuffs?

D'Oh! That was incredibly obvious when i read it...

Yeah, if you want to handcuff Jade, you have to *weld* the cuffs closed. Or at least use a very strong glue to jam the lock.

sam105 wrote: Jade would just send a copy into the cuffs and unlock them. Why would they want to give Jade a free set of cuffs?

People seem to be forgetting that they make handcuffs specifically for holding Telekinetics of all levels. That includes ones who are stronger and more dexterous than Jinn.

Jarjaross wrote:

sam105 wrote: Jade would just send a copy into the cuffs and unlock them. Why would they want to give Jade a free set of cuffs?

People seem to be forgetting that they make handcuffs specifically for holding Telekinetics of all levels. That includes ones who are stronger and more dexterous than Jinn.

True enough, but they don't know that Jade is a Telekinetic. Her MID doesn't list it.

Regen: 5, Devisor: 2, Wiz: 1, Martial Arts: Basic

Jarjaross wrote:

sam105 wrote: Jade would just send a copy into the cuffs and unlock them. Why would they want to give Jade a free set of cuffs?

People seem to be forgetting that they make handcuffs specifically for holding Telekinetics of all levels. That includes ones who are stronger and more dexterous than Jinn.

There are telekinetics more dexterous that Jinn? She who simultaneous caused blood to flow through a human body without a pump by taking hold of the blood itself and moving it around? That is inconceivable levels of control. And that is child's play for Jinn. She could possess a body and fire off every sensory nerve ending in that body: One at a time, ten at a time, in distinct groups of 20 or 30. She can open and close cybernetically locked doors. She can do the pinched artery trick to kill someone. She can nearly bypass PK fields. She can be in five places at once. And lastly, she is still a freshman!

No, Anti-telekinetic handcuffs would not hold Jinn. They would also have to also be anti-cyberpath handcuffs. And since there are only a handful of cyberpaths (Palm, Paige, Petra, Hive, Whisper, and Blue) in the WU. I doubt very many of such handcuffs exist.

Actually, the one thing she fails to work on that she should work on is expanding her area of effect. Each charge has to stay in a 6 foot diameter. She's slowly expanding her strength and the number of simultaneous summons. But she never attempted to stretch herself, so to speak.

There is nothing that says Blue(Ringo) is a cyberpath. He is a Devisor that specializes in computers, but that doesn't make him a cyberpath. I believe he does what he does the hard way.

You could call Jericho and Techno Devil cyberpaths using that criteria, both I believe can directly interact with computer hardware via their cybernetics.

jmhyp wrote:

Jarjaross wrote:

sam105 wrote: Jade would just send a copy into the cuffs and unlock them. Why would they want to give Jade a free set of cuffs?

People seem to be forgetting that they make handcuffs specifically for holding Telekinetics of all levels. That includes ones who are stronger and more dexterous than Jinn.

There are telekinetics more dexterous that Jinn? She who simultaneous caused blood to flow through a human body without a pump by taking hold of the blood itself and moving it around? That is inconceivable levels of control. And that is child's play for Jinn. She could possess a body and fire off every sensory nerve ending in that body: One at a time, ten at a time, in distinct groups of 20 or 30. She can open and close cybernetically locked doors. She can do the pinched artery trick to kill someone. She can nearly bypass PK fields. She can be in five places at once. And lastly, she is still a freshman!

No, Anti-telekinetic handcuffs would not hold Jinn. They would also have to also be anti-cyberpath handcuffs. And since there are only a handful of cyberpaths (Palm, Paige, Petra, Hive, Whisper, and Blue) in the WU. I doubt very many of such handcuffs exist.

Actually, the one thing she fails to work on that she should work on is expanding her area of effect. Each charge has to stay in a 6 foot diameter. She's slowly expanding her strength and the number of simultaneous summons. But she never attempted to stretch herself, so to speak.

Jinn is very dexterous but she has limitations, her main advantage is total awareness of what she is controlling. Also you were wrong about a few things in your analysis of Jinn.

Moving blood is not child's play to her, she has to put a lot of effort into holding the blood cells. Although we have yet to see them there are Telekinetics who can cause chemical reactions by rearranging molecules. I'd say that is more dexterous than barely being able to hold blood cells.

What does "cybernetically locked" even mean? If you are referring to Jade and Fey's Christmas adventure then she opened the locks be taking apart the locking mechanism from the inside using nanowire.

Jinn is not in 5 places at once, there are 5 different Jinns one at each location, there is a difference. If Jinn were in 5 places at once then there would have to be a telepathic conection which they don't have.

Jinn in no way is able to get through a PK field, she hates PK fields because she has so much trouble escaping them.

What you said about pinching arteries it true but there is no evidence to suggest other Telekinetics could not do this. TK manipulates the liquid in your ears that gives you balance, I imagine that with that amount of control it would just take some reapplication of effort to figure out how to pinch an artery. They just don't teach you how to do that at Whateley, or if they do they have this thing called an ethics course.

What evidence do we have of her being able to fire off nerve endings by the way. I don't doubt that she could but I haven't seen it happen in story.

Also your mention of her being a freshman means nothing, it is explicitly mentioned that some peoples powers just plateau after a certain point.

As to the thought that people don't know what Jade's powers are, the people setting up the combat finals do. Ito proved that when he asked about her gloves at the end of the first combat finals.

And if multiple Jinns are in the same place, say a body, they can communicate telepathically. And you're nitpick doesn't change the awesomeness of still being in 5 places at once. The point is Jade is extremely high level in terms of TK. There's always a bigger fish. But I'd still guess she's in a high percentage bracket on the TK spectrum.

Christmas Elves showed one Jinn maintaining Jade's blood circulation while putting her knee back together, holding the heart values open, stopping the nerve impulses going to her heart, and pulling cuts together all at the same time. That is a lot of DEXTERITY with telekinesis. I don't think I could juggle that many things at once.

jmhyp wrote: And if multiple Jinns are in the same place, say a body, they can communicate telepathically. And you're nitpick doesn't change the awesomeness of still being in 5 places at once. The point is Jade is extremely high level in terms of TK. There's always a bigger fish. But I'd still guess she's in a high percentage bracket on the TK spectrum.

Christmas Elves showed one Jinn maintaining Jade's blood circulation while putting her knee back together, holding the heart values open, stopping the nerve impulses going to her heart, and pulling cuts together all at the same time. That is a lot of DEXTERITY with telekinesis. I don't think I could juggle that many things at once.

Actually in Christmas Elves at the time Jade is stabbed and wheeled into the other room, Jinn is off searching for a kitten, three of the J-Team are trapped in the magic circle as the mini Feys, and the last, Jann, is cast onto Jade herself. Jann maintains Jade's blood circulation, resets her knee, holds the blood vessels up against the blade to prevent blood loss, and pinches off the nerves to stop the heart. She does forget to breathe for a bit.

The J-Team has, thanks to Hekate, a nearly infinite number of hands and can manipulate very fine material. She cannot grab individual cells, and moving blood, which she does by moving the bigger bits and creating a current is the best she can do.

As for strength, IIRC, the last we heard put her strength in the 400 lb range, nowhere near superhuman.

Her biggest advantage is probably her imagination, she comes up things to do with her powers that no one else would. She also accepts ideas from others. Hanging around with Harry and Bunny and TK to a lesser extent have pushed her into trying new things.

Yes that is a lot of dexterity but not for the reason you think. Dexterity has nothing to do with how many objects you can control just how well you control them. Further more dexterity relating to telekinesis as defined by the Whateley universe is how small of an object you can control. I direct you to my statement about manipulating chemical reactions.

All of this is besides the point anyways as she still would not be able to get out of handcuffs designed to hold Telekinetics by casting Jinn into them which is the entire point of what I said earlier.

Yes Jade is good but she is not all powerful. Heck she's not even all that powerful. (There is a difference between those two statements). She is actually stated to be fairly weak by the standards of the WU, she gets a lot of her power from her creativity but the same could be said for every divisor on campus.

Pretty sure the name of this thread says it's supposed to be about Tennyo, so could we please stop arguing the details about Jade's powers? Or at the very least, move it to a more appropriate thread?

Well excuse me for not memorizing the WIKI where, on the Telekinesis page, the word DEXTERITY appears once: as the label on a chart.

No holds barred, I put my money on Jade over just about anybody short of Tennyo. And even there, if Tennyo didn't literally own Jade, Jade might even defeat Tennyo.

And this isn't fanboy nonsense. Jade is my least favorite Kimba. But the way she was portrayed in various stories tells me she is a force to be reckoned with at the A-list levels.

(And Tennyo is back in the discussion.)

We really should be discussing Jinn's ability in the Jade/J-team thread. I'll look for one and reply there...

Only Radioactive Condor Girl can save the day!

Canon says that Tennyo looks just like Ryoko Hakubi, but somehow it always vexed me how different the anime look is from "normal", baseline people. I found it hard to imagine that it would not land her in the GSD crowd.
So I took a look around with Google and found some nice artists' interpretations that work for my imagination:
Ryoko by Sobii
Ryoko by Katarzyna Marlewska
I hope you enjoy these too.

In both images Ryoko, and therefore Tennyo, looks a lot more like a "real" human and less like a caricature. Albeit like a twentysomething rather than a teenager. Tennyo a few years after graduation?

Tennyo does not look like a cartoon; rather, she looks like a serious cosplayer who wants to dress as Ryoko. Minus the tail (although I understand that Ryoko does not always have a tail, depending on the particular manga/anime series)