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Wow. I just watched Avengers: Infinity war, and my god, it was unexpected. I mean, they killed all the members of the Guardians of the Galaxy bar Rocket, killed Black Panther immediately after his first major appearance (same with Spidey (that was sad- made me cry a lot)), killed Bucky (that was unexpected. I thought they'd do that to Cap, seeing as his contract expired and has not been renewed), and Thanos achieved his goal of killing half the inhabitants of the galaxy. Fuck, that was not what I was expecting. It was genius however. When you go to watch a superhero movie, you go in knowing that the heroes will win. To see them so damm close (the Avengers of all people, Earth's Mightiest Heroes incarnate!!!) and then to fail just as they thought they'd won...it takes a genius writer to pull it off to the level that this movie did. It was a beautiful movie, but seriously...WTF??? No end-credits scene, no 'part two coming xxx' and no indication that the MCU is just over...I was in shell shock when they nearly killed off Iron Man. As you can probably ascertain, my favourite hero is Iron Man, simply becuase he's a genius with no real superpowers fighting alongside Gods, Mutants, Monsters and Super-soldiers. All he has is a suit of armour. So when Thanos stabbed him with his own armour...that was a real heartbreaker. The real question is, what happens next??? Marvel has formally revised their layout. For one, at the start of the MCU, the plan was that Infinity war would be a two-parter, and would be the Preantepenultimate film in Phase Three. Apparently, it's now the end of phase 1, and phase 2 will be everything after this. Spidey can't really be dead, cause he's getting a sequel, and you need spider man for that. Same with the Guardians of the Galaxy, as Volume 3 is coming 2020. So, sometime after this film, there's going to be a conclusion. But, with a lack of end scenes or hints at a release date...are we going to see more of the MCU??? It's certainly gotten a lot darker since Iron Man back in 2005. The world is changing, and not a lot for the better. However, I know there will be a part two, or at least a end to this story. Doctor Strange's last words to Tony were 'This is the way it had to be'. Since he saw every possible outcome of the events to come, I'm guessing that this was all part of the single win-scenario he predicted. Of course, it looks like the Avengers have lost. But I'm sure that Marvel won't end it here. After all, Thor's just got his hammer back, Thanos has achieved his evil goal, and the Avengers seem to be shattered with most of their members dead. Half the universe is dead, 1/2 of the Human Race included. Asgard is gone, as well as most of the planets we've visited in the previous movies. As for Thanos...the infinity gauntlet is broken, the stones possibly depleted. Thanos is mortally wounded by Thor, and seems to be waiting for the end while watching the sunset. All the minor characters, and a lot of the major ones too- are dead. Gamora's death was particulary painful, as it showed that Thanos actually cared for her, and was willing to sacrifice her for his goals. That one was the most heartbreaking moment of infinity war.

Besides what comes next, the movie had some great moments of it's own. The humour was present in greater numbers of scenes that the last avengers movie, the bits with Thor were excellent, Iron Man's new armour is possibly the coolest thing I've ever seen (I want one!!!), Dr. Strange was excellently played by the masterful Benedict Cumberbatch, Rocket was just as witty as ever...to put it shortly, this is possibly the best written, directed and performed Avengers movie of all time. So much went into this movie, and so much was built up to it. The pain, grit and terror of the characters was so well played, and there wasn't a trace of Hawkeye, Ant Man or any of the other terrible characters in the film...other than Scarlet Witch. I mean, seriously. She's just unlikable.

Anyway, what does everyone else think!!! (and are we going to see some references in Gen 2 at some point in the future???)

There was an end credit scene. Just one and after all the credits.

apparently not in AU cinemas. We didn't get half the scenes from the trailer.

That new Spidey could be Miles Morales, y'know?

Greatdingo wrote: That new Spidey could be Miles Morales, y'know?

Or 120 minutes of white screen.

They are entering Phase 4.

Thor has A new Axe called Stormbreaker which is an existing item in the comics with a vastly different story and wielder.

There was an end credit sequence.

The stone for space worked as he got away after the snap, and we later see him without his mortal injury so it's a good bet that one of the others did that. Chances are that the stones are fine.

The roster has been brought back to the founders. I expect that we will see Ant-man involved as he was always an integral part of the Avengers in the comics, and the Wasp actually named them. Expect Hawkeyes return. and I wonder if we will see characters like Namor show up. And will we get the grey hulk?

This also feels like it's a little bit about a partial reboot to bring in reaquired properties for marvel, and rework story toward responding to what the franchise is now that it's established rather than what they started out with. We had two quicksilvers and scarlet witches. a noticeable absence of Mutants.

as for characters: Shuri was the Black Panther for a time. Miles is a Spider-Man. The Guardians have had a different roster before. As for Doctor Strange... the first thing I'd do if I had a time gem is travel forward and back in time for decades, taking care of responsabilities and not leaving the realms in guarded and then jump back to the day where I will be lost to the universe to fight the fight that needs to happen in order to eventually win the fight.

there are a couple of ideas I have about directions the movie could go in and how what we see isn't what we think it is, but I feel like there's no way to know what they are doing until we see it.

Captain Marvel and Ant-man and The Wasp are the two movies between the 2 parts of Infinity War. Captain Marvel is already confirmed to take place in the 1990's, and Ant-Man and Wasp has been mentioned as being set after Civil War, but before Infinity War. So where's that leave us? With Captain Marvel teaming up with the Original Avengers and those that didn't poof, like Nebula and Rocket and so on... most likely scenario is that they either defeat Thanos, or they steal the Infinity Gauntlet, and use it to turn back all the changes, because Black Panther 2 and Spider-man 2 are already planned, as Is Guardians of the Galaxy 3.

Avengers IV: Clint's Big Day

After finding out that Thanos has killed his family, Hawkeye gathers the Infinity Stones Dragon Balls and has the Dragon bring everyone, but Loki, back to life.

CrazyMinh wrote: apparently not in AU cinemas. We didn't get half the scenes from the trailer.

Half is a bit much, but many of the scenes from the trailers and other commercials weren't in the US version either.

I went to see it again last night, and the presentation was different. The first time I saw it, the in between movie "news" and ads went off and some music began playing. That stopped after about 2-1/2 songs and the Marvel Logo came on (I was expecting a Trailer for Antman or DP2 or something) and it went right into the movie. No trailers, no shut off your cellphones, not find the exits, just straight into the movie. Last night after about 20 seconds of music, it went into trailers.

CrazyMinh wrote: No end-credits scene, no 'part two coming xxx' and no indication that the MCU is just over...

In case you don't want to dig up a clip of the end-credits scene you were denied:

Also, the version I saw ended with the text, "Thanos will return." I was very amused by that.

Kettlekorn wrote:

CrazyMinh wrote: No end-credits scene, no 'part two coming xxx' and no indication that the MCU is just over...

In case you don't want to dig up a clip of the end-credits scene you were denied:

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It showed Nick Fury realizing something is up as all the random drivers and pilots vanish and their vehicles crash. He manages to page Captain Marvel just before he crumbles into dust.

Also, the version I saw ended with the text, "Thanos will return." I was very amused by that.

On Earth the current doubling time is about 60 years, so cutting the population in half doesn't do much unless you keep cutting the population in half.

That ignores (a) the traumatic effect of half of everybody you know dying/being obliterated, and (b) the disruption to the economy that losing half of the workforce entails. It's not just a matter of "Oh well, we just produce half as much."; OK, if you have a factory doing double or triple shifts, you can consolidate your workers into one or two shifts. But If you are in a single shift, and your assembly line has 100 stations, that means that you can't produce *anything* with just 50 workers to man those 100 stations.

There's also the massive surplus stocks of... pretty much everything, that would plunge the world into a recession. OK, the perishables/consumables might just be enough to carry people over the massive confusion and grief... but what about the durable items?

I mean, if half of the car owners disappear, that means that half of all cars in the world are suddenly on the market. That would drop used car prices through the rock bottom. And, if you can get a nice used car for, say, 500 bucks, why would you fork over a hundred times that for a new one? Cue factories closing...

Sir Lee wrote: That ignores (a) the traumatic effect of half of everybody you know dying/being obliterated, and (b) the disruption to the economy that losing half of the workforce entails. It's not just a matter of "Oh well, we just produce half as much."; OK, if you have a factory doing double or triple shifts, you can consolidate your workers into one or two shifts. But If you are in a single shift, and your assembly line has 100 stations, that means that you can't produce *anything* with just 50 workers to man those 100 stations.

There's also the massive surplus stocks of... pretty much everything, that would plunge the world into a recession. OK, the perishables/consumables might just be enough to carry people over the massive confusion and grief... but what about the durable items?

I mean, if half of the car owners disappear, that means that half of all cars in the world are suddenly on the market. That would drop used car prices through the rock bottom. And, if you can get a nice used car for, say, 500 bucks, why would you fork over a hundred times that for a new one? Cue factories closing...

Yes but that is all short term. Remember Thanos is talking about depleting the resources of the Universe. A 100 year respite is nothing on that scale. To be honest even with a limited population, resources will eventually run out. Stars die. Eventually the last star will die.

Was it Asimov that wrote a story where each successive "super" computer was asked "What will happen when the last star dies?" It starts with ENIAC, then UNIVAC, making its way through subsequent computers until the last star goes out.

Maybe Thanos intended that as a stop-gap solution while he finds somebody to build him an Infinity Metronome to replace the burned out gauntlet.

Valentine wrote: To be honest even with a limited population, resources will eventually run out. Stars die. Eventually the last star will die.

The MCU is radically different form the real universe. I see no reason to assume that the laws of thermodynamics are consistent.

Even out here in reality, I tend to think of the heat death of the universe as just another Y2K. Yes, it is a real issue that will need to be planned for and dealt with in time. No, it is not the end of everything. If a Big Bang can happen once, it can happen again. We just need to figure out how that works so that we can replicate it in a more timely and controlled manner. Then we can either bang out new universes as needed, or build a generator powered by Big Bangs to keep existing infrastructure running.

Kettlekorn wrote: ...or build a generator powered by Big Bangs to keep existing infrastructure running.

What if we're part of someone elses Big Bang Machine keeping their infrastructure going...

Valentine wrote: Was it Asimov that wrote a story where each successive "super" computer was asked "What will happen when the last star dies?" It starts with ENIAC, then UNIVAC, making its way through subsequent computers until the last star goes out.

Yes. Isaac Asimov wrote "The Final Question" and the question was (approximately), how do you reverse entropy.

DanZilla wrote:

Kettlekorn wrote: ...or build a generator powered by Big Bangs to keep existing infrastructure running.

What if we're part of someone elses Big Bang Machine keeping their infrastructure going...

Well, common sense says that creating child universes to power your stuff follows the same rule as putting dishes in the sink, clothes in the hamper, and leftovers in the fridge: don't leave them sitting around too long or they'll end up smelly and colonized by potentially dangerous lifeforms. So, the fact that we've had a good 13 billion years for planets to coalesce and life to evolve makes me think it's unlikely that we're in such a universe. Besides, the whole point of such a setup would be to harvest energy, but do you ever hear scientists wondering about why energy doesn't seem to be conserved and where it's all going? We're not currently being harvested, and the longer they let our universe sit without harvesting the energy, the less useful energy will remain to be harvested. The universe has already cooled off by an incredible amount. So no, I'm not worried about the possibility that we live inside a power plant.

Anyone who thought the 'I, robot' movie with will smith was good, leave this thread now.

[Cue hitler rant from Downfall]

CrazyMinh wrote: Anyone who thought the 'I, robot' movie with will smith was good, leave this thread now.

[Cue hitler rant from Downfall]

What I Robot movie? I remember no such thing.

To be honest, I think I've given up on movies based off of books.

What about the Well World approach? In Jack L. Chalker's Well World books, an Ancient Super-Developed Race(tm) artificially created an artificial Big Bang, but it wasn't either a separate universe nor it destroyed their universe... rather, it overlaid the old (much smaller) universe, with their old worlds becoming part of the new creation. Granted, their goal was not so much to avoid the Heat Death of the Universe but just to create a large canvas where to seed new intelligent races... but the end result is the same.