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6 years 7 months ago #1 by CrazyMinh

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Star Trek is dead. Not just slightly, but absolutely. The current CEO of CBS has fucked over the 52 year old series so massively that 50 years of canon material will now be lost to all history.

Let me start again. Now, the video above is reputable. The presenter has no bias towards any circumstantial facts (although he is definitely against the horrific actions that are now being taken by CBS and Paramount), and is also acting on mostly reliable facts. I will admit that right now the information presented is mostly rumour, and subject to change. But still: Star Trek is dead.

CBS is looking to hand over the reigns for the making and controlling of Star Trek fully to Paramount. Paramount already owns the movies and makes the Kelvin timelines. This doesn't sound bad right??? Maybe you think that it isn't anything to be fucking frightened of.

You are SO fucking wrong

Their Plans are to make TOS, TNG, DS9, VOY AND ENT completely NON-CANON. All EVENTS up to Star Trek Nemesis will be reworked in a merger between the Kelvin Timeline (Star Trek 2009 through Beyond) which will have VULCAN DESTROYED SINCE THE START OF THE ORIGINAL SERIES, AND EVERYTHING WE KNOW ABOUT STAR TREK RUINED COMPLETELY.

Now do you see my point???

This is about the most STUPID thing I have ever heard, and if it wasn't coming from Midnight's Edge, I wouldn't take it as credible. It is the most VILE thing that has been done to Rod's creation, to the point of completely RUINING THE ENTIRE SHOW!!!

I mean, it's one thing to reboot it!!! But No!!! Current indications tell that CBS will be making every single episode, movie and frakking non-canon NOVEL set in the prime timeline completely INVALID and UNOFFICIAL!!!

Imagine if Disney made all of George Lucas's Star Wars movies non-canon, and then redid the entire original trilogy with the same level of attention and care that they did with The Last Jedi. STD was one f**king thing, but to ruin 50 fucking years of canon and simply because of 'COPYRIGHT'???

I found out three hours ago, and I've only just stopped sobbing. I mean, I'm a hardcore Trekkie, and this is akin to walking up to me and my mother and SHOOTING HER DEAD RIGHT IN FRONT OF ME!!! This hurts FAR more that the stab wounds I received in my own HOME!!!

I know I shouldn't be this upset. 'It's only a TV show', yada yada yada. But it's a TV show that both saved my life (I was bullied to the point of suicide in my first few years of high school, and only constant rewatching of reruns saved me from taking the easy way out) AND has given me the life lessons that I've tried to strive by. It was one of the BIG influences that made me want to become a Mechatronic Engineer!!! Alongside Asimov, Gene Roddenberry wrote the stories that inspired me to try and build towards the level of robotic seen in sci fi. A picture of Commander Data was the only poster on my wall when I was in high school, and I still have a box of models and a treasure trove of toys, comics and other stuff locked up in a storage unit somewhere in the suburbs of Sydney (I...went through a phase. A very expensive phase...let's not talk about it)

But I'm really pissed with how all the love I've put into this show and all the time that I've invested is being thrown away with no refunding. I'm pissed at how money and bureaucracy takes precedence over the future of the most influential science fiction TV show of all time.

As you can see, I'm kinda beyond rationality right now. I am so fucking angry YOU CANNOT EVEN BEGIN TO FEEL MY PAIN!!!

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6 years 7 months ago #2 by lighttech

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I worked on Star Trek:Enterprise a few times over the years

since they are making all of that past none existent?

does that mean I have to hand the paychecks back?

But I get what you are saying, always the deal with huge companies, one guy gets IN and has to destroy the past to build "THEIR" new personal idea of the movie or what have ya?

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6 years 7 months ago #3 by RoseBlack

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So pretty much what Disney did to the star wars expanded universe. Not surprising. I get why they did it I hate it and disagree with it but they want a fresh slate so they don't have to work in all that stuff and how it affects the universe. I think it's lazy on their part also. We don't wanna work that hard so fuck all these people and 3verything they have ever done.

6 years 7 months ago #4 by elrodw

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The other factor here is that the people in charge are almost completely devoid of even a splinter of a fragment of the tiniest mote of creativity. All they can do is to remake old movies, stories, etc. Theatrical releases are rife with remakes of rehashes of old ideas. Couple that with younger types who think they invented the world and thus know a helluva lot more than their elders (even though they often don't), and you get an ego-driven compulsion to stand out by showing how much "better" they can make an idea into cinema.

Plus studios are cheap. "Take that old idea that was a money-maker, change a few details, and make a movie or series." "What about the fans and canon and such?" "Fuck 'em. I wanna make money!"

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6 years 7 months ago #5 by null0trooper

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Isn't it human nature to to chase the popularity (money, fame) of last year's successes as much as it is to prepare for the last war fought?

As far as creativity within certain entertainment outlets, I think that one of the problems is that we have people stumbling out of their degree programs knowing more about socialist and marxist political critique repackaged as "postmodernism" than they do about the societies they think they can re-engineer by taking over the means of creative production. They're happy to work for minimum rates as long as their "message" gets out; companies and universities are thrilled to hire them at those rock-bottom rates. Those that aren't brainwashed into such useful idiocy go to where the paying jobs are.

On the education/training side, as the cultural and artistic fields veer to any extreme, driven by who stays in academia and who publishes, any students with talent who don't fit the prevailing narrative walk away or risk being flunked out. As a consequence, even if production companies wanted to make a solid "Star Wars" movie or "Star Trek" television show (and there IS money in good stories) the people who could and would have written such scripts are unavailable. Having the Western culture wars feed back through polarized and loud fandoms doesn't help matters at all.

However, I have to admit that it is sometimes amusing to watch starry-eyed sociologists and social commentors advocate for their cherished equal outcome goals in STEM fields in which they have neither interest nor aptitude.

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6 years 7 months ago #6 by RoseBlack

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Fair point.

6 years 7 months ago #7 by lighttech

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RoseBlack wrote: Fair point.

my mind cringed for a second I was in 'trek' mode and read that as Far point not FAIR point

as in that first far point episode that makes most trek watchers cringe to this day!

Question to mess up your mind?

battle of SW stormtroopers (the army that can't hit anything) VS trek red shirts (the men or woman nothing ever missed!)

who wins??

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6 years 7 months ago - 6 years 7 months ago #8 by Sir Lee

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The Anla'shok, obviously.

Don't call me "Shirley." You will surely make me surly.

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The ZERG ALL HAIL THE QUEEN OF BLADES.

6 years 7 months ago - 6 years 7 months ago #10 by CrazyMinh

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lighttech wrote:
RoseBlack wrote: Fair point.

my mind cringed for a second I was in 'trek' mode and read that as Far point not FAIR point

as in that first far point episode that makes most trek watchers cringe to this day!

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Sub Rosa beats your Encounter At Farpoint parts 1 & 2

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6 years 7 months ago #11 by CrazyMinh

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Or even this

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6 years 7 months ago #12 by Kristin Darken

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Just remember this sort of conversation the next time you agree with an arts funding cut, or the removal of arts programs from education programs...

and that isn't just about colleges. In fact, it mostly isn't about colleges. In the 60's and 70's, you could rent a tiny apartment and eat/survive on a couple bucks a week and paint, or write, or sculpt... and put up your work to display or in front of audiences (theatre/poetry) and make a few bucks on ticket sales and then go back to your tiny apartment and re-write. You learned from doing. And redoing. and listening to your audience and reworking based on their reactions.

Today, you don't even get seen unless you've got something polished well enough that its ready to be put in front of an audience. And even then, you'll probably go through several stages of 'workshopping' it before it will get ticket sales. And meanwhile, you'll be doing rewrites to suit someone else's opinion of the show (as opposed to the audience). And maybe you'll get a commission to just work on something if you've proven you can sell to audiences.

In a sense, Kindle book self-publishing is doing to the fiction industry what low cost of living and people seeing lots of theatre did to the theatre and film industry in the 60's and 70's. You can't do it anymore. No one has the budget strength to take risks on unproduced playwrights. Great ideas don't sell investors. Guarantees that you'll hit the x, y, and z demographics for the market share and return them double their money... that sells investors. And so you don't need creative writers working their way up through the system... you need people who can run the numbers and sell to investors.

and please, this?

socialist and marxist political critique repackaged as "postmodernism"

That's pretty insulting to anyone who spent time in an arts degree. And anyone who has spent any time on college campuses and hasn't noticed that there is a LOT of conservative perspective and tradition involved missed something very important.

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6 years 7 months ago #13 by CrazyMinh

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All terrible episodes, but far better than what we've been served with STD's lacklustre and hackneyed writing, overused CGI sets and imagery, complete canonical violation in Michael Burnham's mutiny, the Spore Drive, the Holographic communicators, the holodeck, the replicators, the tribble not eating the fortune cookies and replicating like crazy despite being right next to them, the Klingon ships and the Klingons, the bridge-on-the-bottom-of-the-saucer-section, the nacelle shape, the main character being Spock's sister (haven't we seen this before?? In some trashy movie that really defined a low point in the franchise ), the uniforms (which have suspiciously changed back to near-canon for the Enterprise crew as of the new trailer, conflicting with the claims made by CBS that they changed the uniforms for 'copyright'...), the goddam tardigrade ( Now found to have been plagiarised off the yet unreleased indie video game 'Tardigrades', which was revealed on Steam Greenlight more than a YEAR before STD even was announced, and had the details revealed three months before STD was actually revealed to be a thing. )...there's far more wrong with it, but I'll refrain for now.

Even WITH the media and the company bragging that STD is 'The Most Successful Trek Series of All Time' and 'This shit is far better than the Orville (blatantly NOT true)', CBS has had huge backlash financially and internally over the show. Remember that Netflix pretty much payed for all of the first season when they bought the distribution rights to everywhere but America, and are now pissed because CBS told them at the time that 'It would be a hit with the fans' and 'there would be merchandising that would pay off the debt'. CBS was wrong.

The only mechandise avaliable for STD are tea-shirts, mugs, small stuff like badges, and a few choice things like a bunch of 3d printed ship models (which honestly I wouldn't buy. If they call their ships Star Trek ones, they are so frakking stupid. Nothing on their show even matches the grace and style of the Connies from TOS, or the Galaxy Class from TNG. Or the Intrepid class from VOY, or the Defiant-class from DS9 or even the f**king NX-class from ENT. Hell, even the Miranda, Nebula, Excelsior, Sovereign, Odysseus, Constellation, AND Oberth class starships looked far better than any of STD's crappy-looking starships. The ships in STD are some of the most pretty-looking, but they also only really appear in the first three episodes, and their CGI work made the budget for the FIRST THREE EPISODES (the WORST of all the 1st season ones) go OVER THE BUDGET!!! Says something about how the Orville manages to make great-looking, beautiful, graceful and sleek starships on a smaller budget using a combination of traditional psychical models for realistic lighting and camera work made with modern 3D printers, and supplemented with modern CGI Special Effects)...

I COULD stick around to talk more, but now I've gotta go to a lecture.

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6 years 7 months ago #14 by Kettlekorn

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lighttech wrote: battle of SW stormtroopers (the army that can't hit anything) VS trek red shirts (the men or woman nothing ever missed!)

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6 years 7 months ago #15 by Valentine

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Kristin Darken wrote: Just remember this sort of conversation the next time you agree with an arts funding cut, or the removal of arts programs from education programs...

and that isn't just about colleges. In fact, it mostly isn't about colleges. In the 60's and 70's, you could rent a tiny apartment and eat/survive on a couple bucks a week and paint, or write, or sculpt... and put up your work to display or in front of audiences (theatre/poetry) and make a few bucks on ticket sales and then go back to your tiny apartment and re-write. You learned from doing. And redoing. and listening to your audience and reworking based on their reactions.

Today, you don't even get seen unless you've got something polished well enough that its ready to be put in front of an audience. And even then, you'll probably go through several stages of 'workshopping' it before it will get ticket sales. And meanwhile, you'll be doing rewrites to suit someone else's opinion of the show (as opposed to the audience). And maybe you'll get a commission to just work on something if you've proven you can sell to audiences.

In a sense, Kindle book self-publishing is doing to the fiction industry what low cost of living and people seeing lots of theatre did to the theatre and film industry in the 60's and 70's. You can't do it anymore. No one has the budget strength to take risks on unproduced playwrights. Great ideas don't sell investors. Guarantees that you'll hit the x, y, and z demographics for the market share and return them double their money... that sells investors. And so you don't need creative writers working their way up through the system... you need people who can run the numbers and sell to investors.

and please, this?
socialist and marxist political critique repackaged as "postmodernism"
That's pretty insulting to anyone who spent time in an arts degree. And anyone who has spent any time on college campuses and hasn't noticed that there is a LOT of conservative perspective and tradition involved missed something very important.

One of the local school districts was discussing cutting choir, band, and after school clubs. My answer to that is if those go, the football, basketball, and other sports teams need to go too. That horrified some of my friends. All or none.

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6 years 7 months ago #16 by konzill

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Well, that was depressing to watch. At this point, I guess I can only expect to be disappointed by future StarTrek, both in terms of TV and movies.

6 years 7 months ago #17 by null0trooper

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Kristin Darken wrote: \
and please, this?
socialist and marxist political critique repackaged as "postmodernism"
That's pretty insulting to anyone who spent time in an arts degree. And anyone who has spent any time on college campuses and hasn't noticed that there is a LOT of conservative perspective and tradition involved missed something very important.

It's hardly more insulting than the claim that "anyone who has spent any time on college campuses and hasn't noticed that there is a LOT of conservative perspective and tradition involved missed something very important." If anything, your comment underscores the point I was making: that unless the students toe the approved political and social line they haven't much chance at success once their teachers and fellow students start throwing around accusations of having a "conservative perspective".

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6 years 7 months ago #18 by Katssun

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null0trooper wrote:
Kristin Darken wrote: \
and please, this?
socialist and marxist political critique repackaged as "postmodernism"
That's pretty insulting to anyone who spent time in an arts degree. And anyone who has spent any time on college campuses and hasn't noticed that there is a LOT of conservative perspective and tradition involved missed something very important.

It's hardly more insulting than the claim that "anyone who has spent any time on college campuses and hasn't noticed that there is a LOT of conservative perspective and tradition involved missed something very important." If anything, your comment underscores the point I was making: that unless the students toe the approved political and social line they haven't much chance at success once their teachers and fellow students start throwing around accusations of having a "conservative perspective".

Keeping this apolitical, the problem with "postmodernism" is that it has no definition or meaning. It is anything anyone wants it to be. There's no theme or tone to it at all, in any sphere.

It's, "not _________."

That's it.

At least modernism, as depressing as it is, has a thematic tone to it all.

6 years 7 months ago #19 by Mister D

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This sort of behaviour is relatively normal in every form of industry.

Cancel the old projects that were successful, as the Old Boss will get the credit, and the New Boss won't.

There's only ever credit for being an originator of something New'N'Shiny, and not a maintainer of something established that just works.

(I'm not bitter. No, not at all. Grrrrr.... )

Look at what happened with the ~~SciFi~~, sorry, ScyFy (? Whatever it's called now...) channel where this happened with horrifying regularity.

It's just a side-effect of commercially-run media.

I've learned not to get too attached to any of the media i loved, as someone will come along to piss on your dreams at some point.

Either, complain/threaten to cancel subscriptions, and follow through with your threats, or, directly fund the artists who are creating interesting work. (Like the WU.)

But, don't get yourself too worked up about this, as the person making the changes will be out of there as quickly as they arrived.

Science-Fiction channels are seen as a niche market media ghetto, so unless they are a really die-hard fan, that got the job as they really wanted THAT SPECIFIC JOB, then they'll be gone in a year or so, and there will be someone else who will be looking to Make Their Mark.

The future New Boss will be the person to aim your reactions to, as they will be looking to make the changes to the current New Boss's projects when they start their new job...

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6 years 7 months ago #20 by lighttech

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CrazyMinh wrote: All terrible episodes, but far better than what we've been served with STD's lacklustre and hackneyed writing, overused CGI sets and imagery, complete canonical violation in Michael Burnham's mutiny, the Spore Drive, the Holographic communicators, the holodeck, the replicators, the tribble not eating the fortune cookies and replicating like crazy despite being right next to them, the Klingon ships and the Klingons, the bridge-on-the-bottom-of-the-saucer-section, the nacelle shape, the main character being Spock's sister (haven't we seen this before?? In some trashy movie that really defined a low point in the franchise ), the uniforms (which have suspiciously changed back to near-canon for the Enterprise crew as of the new trailer, conflicting with the claims made by CBS that they changed the uniforms for 'copyright'...), the goddam tardigrade ( Now found to have been plagiarised off the yet unreleased indie video game 'Tardigrades', which was revealed on Steam Greenlight more than a YEAR before STD even was announced, and had the details revealed three months before STD was actually revealed to be a thing. )...there's far more wrong with it, but I'll refrain for now.

Even WITH the media and the company bragging that STD is 'The Most Successful Trek Series of All Time' and 'This shit is far better than the Orville (blatantly NOT true)', CBS has had huge backlash financially and internally over the show. Remember that Netflix pretty much payed for all of the first season when they bought the distribution rights to everywhere but America, and are now pissed because CBS told them at the time that 'It would be a hit with the fans' and 'there would be merchandising that would pay off the debt'. CBS was wrong.

The only mechandise avaliable for STD are tea-shirts, mugs, small stuff like badges, and a few choice things like a bunch of 3d printed ship models (which honestly I wouldn't buy. If they call their ships Star Trek ones, they are so frakking stupid. Nothing on their show even matches the grace and style of the Connies from TOS, or the Galaxy Class from TNG. Or the Intrepid class from VOY, or the Defiant-class from DS9 or even the f**king NX-class from ENT. Hell, even the Miranda, Nebula, Excelsior, Sovereign, Odysseus, Constellation, AND Oberth class starships looked far better than any of STD's crappy-looking starships. The ships in STD are some of the most pretty-looking, but they also only really appear in the first three episodes, and their CGI work made the budget for the FIRST THREE EPISODES (the WORST of all the 1st season ones) go OVER THE BUDGET!!! Says something about how the Orville manages to make great-looking, beautiful, graceful and sleek starships on a smaller budget using a combination of traditional psychical models for realistic lighting and camera work made with modern 3D printers, and supplemented with modern CGI Special Effects)...

I COULD stick around to talk more, but now I've gotta go to a lecture.

ohh ya I love Orville

shot last time I was at Fox!

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6 years 7 months ago #21 by DasVals

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I'm blaming wider society for this. So much of society is (in my opinion) stuck in the same loop of rehashing old stories and reboots of previous stuff. And that's pretty normal. Every empire goes to the same stages: a humble beginning, a creative proliferation and growth, consolidation and decay. I think in the Western world we're seeing the consolidation and are getting closer to decay. The consolidation will lock in the style, the type of stories, the conflicts that are depicted in the arts and the fear of the coming decay.

I really liked Star Trek because of the hope it tried to show, that things can and will become better and really miss that kind of message. I have the impression that much of the fiction goes in the other direction. It's like the violence, the dark, the power games, politics and the gritty stuff is infecting more and more. Either that or it's something that comes with age.

At the moment it seems hard to find hopeful stuff, but I'm going to sample some solarpunk. I heard that's where there is more light.

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6 years 7 months ago #22 by RoseBlack

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I think it's more like we are in a infection period right now that is making it act like decay. Because we still have plenty of new ideas and growth going. The problem is some people have swallowed the same poisonous ideas that ruined other civilizations before us.

I supposed the thing there is will people wake up and fight it off or let it drag us all down into darkness.

6 years 7 months ago #23 by Mister D

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There's an interesting analysis of the life-cycle of organisations, and how people interact with them.

https://www.ribbonfarm.com/2009/10/07/the-gervais-principle-or-the-office-according-to-the-office/

While it's an analysis of a fictional organisation, it's a very accurate model for almost every company that i've either worked at, or performed market analysis of, for my clients.

Compare this, with the behaviour of the New Boss in charge of ST, and, also compare with the media industries in general, and you will find a large number of parallels.

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6 years 7 months ago #24 by DasVals

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To expand on the Gervais principe and to put this in more historical perspective, there is "On the Phenomenon of Bullshit Jobs: A Work Rant by David Graeber" and the academic version "Bullshit Jobs: A theory".

strikemag.org/bullshit-jobs/

It comes down on organisations being filled up by people with nothing much to do for historical reasons. Applied to Hollywood, this means that so many rules get invented and the final product has to pass so many persons that each want to make their own uninspired contribution to validate the existence of their job, the results can be weird. Or dark, gritty and inconsistent mixed with the preference for dystopia in the current zeitgeist.

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6 years 7 months ago #25 by RoseBlack

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So in other words it's the theory of bureaucracy. Where each one even though they aren't need meddles in everything in a endless attempt to justify the existence of their job

6 years 7 months ago - 6 years 7 months ago #26 by marie7342231

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I hear what you're saying...but you're completely wrong. Ok, mostly wrong. I enjoyed Discovery along with Last Jedi.

(I'm opening myself up for supreme attack here) Why can't we just say, "More is more" and make room in the universe?

Whateley is the perfect comparison.

1) We have many authors with various perspectives, muses, fetishes, etc and each one writes not only from their own POV but to expand the universe and move the story forward. Remember those years when WU stories were released at a snail's pace? It was a time to reread our favorites and gobble up the releases as they happened.

2) I don't instantly love every story and some I tolerate but I don't want to miss a piece of the whole. We all have different needs and I'm ok with something not floating my boat as long as it expands the WU.

3) While we don't have buckets of $$, which leads to an entirely different set of stakes, we have a fanbase that keeps coming back for more. I'm not sure what targets are for readership but 'To Seal our Happiness pt 3' has 1325 views. That's pretty good!

My point: Make room for the things you don't like and relish the things you love. No one is perfect and we can only control so much in our universe.

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6 years 7 months ago #27 by konzill

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And now apparently, Quentin Tarantino is directing the next StarTrek Movie. I don't know where to be amazed or appalled.

6 years 7 months ago #28 by Sir Lee

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This news has been making the rounds for a while now. It seems that Tarantino pitched an idea for a Star Trek movie that's really... unconventional. The general reaction from anybody who has seen it apparently was "You are crazy! Let's do it!" (Just today, I have seen an article where Karl Urban, the actor who plays the Kelvin "Bones" McCoy called the idea "bananas"... while seeming enthusiastic about it).

Very little is known outside people who signed NDAs. There were hints that it would be its own thing, not directly related to either the classic timeline or the Kelvin timeline. A separate timeline of its own? A Mirror Universe movie? A story centered in another spaceship? At this point, your guess is as good as mine.

Anyway... Tarantino is involved in another movie right now, so it would be at least one year before the project could start.

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6 years 7 months ago #29 by CrazyMinh

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Sir Lee wrote: This news has been making the rounds for a while now. It seems that Tarantino pitched an idea for a Star Trek movie that's really... unconventional. The general reaction from anybody who has seen it apparently was "You are crazy! Let's do it!" (Just today, I have seen an article where Karl Urban, the actor who plays the Kelvin "Bones" McCoy called the idea "bananas"... while seeming enthusiastic about it).

Very little is known outside people who signed NDAs. There were hints that it would be its own thing, not directly related to either the classic timeline or the Kelvin timeline. A separate timeline of its own? A Mirror Universe movie? A story centered in another spaceship? At this point, your guess is as good as mine.

Anyway... Tarantino is involved in another movie right now, so it would be at least one year before the project could start.

Well, it's not happening now. Both Chris Hemsworth (reprising his role as Kirk's Father) and Chris Pine (who actually plays Kirk, the 'star' of the show) have reportedly quit and walked out on a meeting to secure their appearance in the movie. Either they'll have to bring the actors back into the fold, or recast the roles to different actors, causing trouble with the group of people who actually like the Kelvin Timeline movies. I like them because they don't affect the prime timeline. Or at least they used to. Now they're going to.

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Yeah, but here's the thing... as I mentioned, nobody knows yet if Tarantino's concept even includes the Enterprise crew at all. So his movie might be unaffected by the two Chrises jumping starship.

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So at this point, it could also be a movie about how the Ferengi met the Federation for the first time, it can be a Bajoran liberation movie... There are many possibilities.

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6 years 7 months ago #32 by CrazyMinh

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We already know how the Ferengi met the feds. They attempted to talk to a beagle.

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CrazyMinh wrote: We already know how the Ferengi met the feds. They attempted to talk to a beagle.

That's now in the old time line ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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6 years 7 months ago #34 by Sir Lee

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Not really. The point of divergence happens after the Star Trek: Enterprise series.

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Sir Lee wrote: Not really. The point of divergence happens after the Star Trek: Enterprise series.

Perhaps, but this multi-time line kerfuffle is the result of issues with COPYRIGHT, not time line consistency. Once upon a time, both Paramount and CBS were owned by Viacom, which broke up. Paramount was spun off and it kept the rights for the Star Trek movies, The Motionless Picture through the Kelvin reboot.

CBS, which is basically just Viacom with a new name got all of the Series, TOS through ENT.

Enter Netflix with a small bucket of cash wanting to make a new series. They are willing to assume all the liability and want the distribution rights for everywhere outside of the US. Well, that's a license to print money, so CBS says sure. You go pay Paramount to make it, but here's the thing, we will not share any new copyrights with them, so they can only use Reboot (Kelvin Timeline) look feel.

So it doesn't matter when this time screw up takes place, to quote the Guardian of Forever.

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There is a reason CBS was so adamant STD was the 'Prime Timeline'. Because as far as they are concerned, that's now the ONLY timeline.

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I really don't wanna see Tarantino waste a movie on star trek ugh. Not with all the bs hoops he will have to jump through. And he has already said he's only making so many movies. We only have like 2 left please don't let one be wasted on this. >.<

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Splitting the IP that way was bound to cause problems. I mean, there's all sorts of cross-references between the series and the movies. It goes mostly in the direction of the movies referencing stuff from the series (Wrath of Khan, anyone?), but sometimes the other way too: the Borg Queen was created for First Contact but then showed up in Voyager. Who owns what specific piece of lore? Fortunately I have seem rumors of CBS and Paramount merging back, which if it pans out should solve this stupidity.

But, even so, there are hints that there was a NX-01 Enterprise in the past of the Kelvin timeline: Scotty mentions Admiral Archer's prize beagle, for instance...

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CrazyMinh wrote: Well, it's not happening now. Both Chris Hemsworth (reprising his role as Kirk's Father) and Chris Pine (who actually plays Kirk, the 'star' of the show) have reportedly quit and walked out on a meeting to secure their appearance in the movie. Either they'll have to bring the actors back into the fold, or recast the roles to different actors, causing trouble with the group of people who actually like the Kelvin Timeline movies. I like them because they don't affect the prime timeline. Or at least they used to. Now they're going to.

They walked out on Star Trek (reboot) 4 over salary issues. There hasn't been any discussion with either of them over Tarantino's efforts to date.

6 years 7 months ago - 6 years 7 months ago #39 by Schol-R-LEA

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GRENADE! Fire in the thread!

OK, from French's analysis, this case is a bit of a stretch, to say the least. It really seems unlikely that the scriptwriters and show runners had ever heard of this Tardigrades game, and I get the impression that the similarities are very shallow, the sort of thing that could easily be coincidence. It seems to have more validity than, say, the Nancy Stouffer vs J.K. Rowling case , but not much more. If the idea of a living starship was patentable, the estate of Cordwainer Smith** would be worth a lot more than it is. While there are several other cited similarities, they are mostly very superficial ones.

Still, I thought those posting here would be interested in hearing about this case. If it does indeed set off further flamage (as I joked above), I apologize.

* (For those who aren't familiar with the Nancy Stouffer kerfuffle, the 'similarities' amounted to the word 'muggle' in one book, and the presence of a character named 'Larry Potter' in another, unrelated story by the same author. Also, neither of Stouffer's books had in fact been distributed - printed by on on-demand service, yes, but only for private use and not for general sale until long after the Harry Potter books were on sale.)

** OK, technically speaking, the ships first developed by Adam Stone were not alive per se, but were shielded by living organisms (shellfish, to be specific) being placed inside the hull. In any case, that was just one possible example; I would be surprised if there wasn't someone even earlier who had used the idea, and I am guessing that someone in the Gernsback era pulps had written a story with that particular plot element. Certainly it was an established trope long before Chris Claremont introduced the Acanti into the Marvel Universe in the early 1980s.

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Niven also had living starships. And didn't RAH have one somewhere also? I mean living spaceships have been a trope for a long time.

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RoseBlack wrote: Niven also had living starships. And didn't RAH have one somewhere also? I mean living spaceships have been a trope for a long time.

RAH had sentient or near-sentient AIs installed in starships.

Niven had plants (starseeds) with an intragalactic migration/life cycle, along with "stage trees" the trunks of which were solid rocket fuel.

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Outlanders.

Whose ships rather look like they've migrated to Killjoys...

I love watching their innocent little faces smiling happily as they trip gaily down the garden path, before finding the pit with the rusty spikes.

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Astrodragon wrote: Outlanders.

Whose ships rather look like they've migrated to Killjoys...

You mean the TV show right?? That one with the bounty hunters in the talking spaceship??? With the weird brainwashed super-soldier bounty hunters???

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CrazyMinh wrote:
Astrodragon wrote: Outlanders.

Whose ships rather look like they've migrated to Killjoys...

You mean the TV show right?? That one with the bounty hunters in the talking spaceship??? With the weird brainwashed super-soldier bounty hunters???

Yep.
The big evil spaceship looks AWFULLY like the big ones in outlanders.

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6 years 7 months ago - 6 years 7 months ago #46 by Schol-R-LEA

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Roseblack and Null0trooper: yes, there have been many instance of living or otherwise sentient starcraft in the past. This was in fact what I was trying to say, though I did notice that I had poorly phrased it (my intended point was that it almost certainly predated "Scanners Live In Vain" , which as puts the latest possible date for the trope being introduced which I knew of at 1950; I have since fixed the previous post to clarify this).

CrazyMinh wrote: I got banned from TrekBBS for mentioning that little fact.

Uh, whose post was this in reply to, and which fact were you talking about?

Now, I have not seen STD, and indeed haven't watched any new ST series after the first few episodes of Voyager; but then, I haven't watched many other television series since that time, either, as I generally haven't watched broadcast TV since the early 1990s except during the period when I was living with my father (and even then, I generally was just watching whatever he had on when I was there with him in the living room, and when he was out I would watch shows I had specifically recorded - about 75% of which were documentaries). When I do watch something, it is on my computer, and often long after it had aired. So I really have no place to speak in this at all.

Leonard French apparently knows very little about the series as well, hence why he is going primarily by the court documents.

However, I would add that long-running franchises inevitably have there flops, their 'betrayals', their poor decisions. Consider the following examples, even sticking to the SF/F genre (as it is not limited to any one type of franchise):

Star Trek V. I doubt I need to tell CM anything more about that, I expect he'd have a lot of four-letter words to write about that one.
Alien 3
Aliens: Colonial Marines, and several other games and spin-offs of the Alien franchise.
Galactica 1980
The Star Wars Holiday Special (1978). You knew I had to mention this epic fail, right? Seriously, if you haven't seen it, you can't imagine how awful it was. I'm not kidding when I say that I was traumatized by it as a kid, the one time it was broadcast. Now, that was a case where the creators of a newly minted franchise was caught off-guard by its success, and were uncertain of how to respond; also, it was caught up in the inexplicable popularity of variety shows at that time, following the success of shows such as Laugh-in in the 1960s and The Carol Burnett Show and Saturday Night Live (though that wasn't in the classic variety show format as such) in the 1970s. It was a victim of a lot of poor decision making and confused situations, and unlike most of the others I'm mentioning, everyone who was involved in that disaster feels ashamed over it. While people are of mixed opinions on both the prequel films, and on certain spin-offs and side projects such as the 'Ewoks' films, everyone is in agreement that SWHS is unbearably bad.

I could make an even longer list of ones from comic books; just in the Spiderman series there were two of the most notorious ones, the "Clone Saga" and "One More Day" - while I had not been reading comic books in general for decades by then, I saw the uproar which both of those caused among the fans.

The point is, even if it is every bit the betrayal you say it is, it isn't the first (not even within the ST franchise), and almost certainly won't be the last if the franchise continues.

Though if it is as bad as you say, that 'if' maybe the key point here.

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Prepare to enter the Shitty Franchise Entries Perspective Vortex.

You can open this next part if you want, but I don't recommend it: this is the heart of dorkness, the SWHS itself.

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And now you know why Harrison Ford felt the need to smoke a quarter ki of grass out of a sauce pan every morning on the way to the sound lot back then.

(OK, so hyperbole is present with that last bit; not only was the sauce pan thing apparently a one time instance, but c'mon, there is no way you are going to fit 250g of marijuana in a sauce pan even if you tamped it down with a rubber mallet.)

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Schol-R-LEA wrote:
CrazyMinh wrote: I got banned from TrekBBS for mentioning that little fact.

Now, I have not seen STD, and indeed haven't watched any new ST series after the first few episodes of Voyager; but then, I haven't watched many other television series since that time, either, as I generally haven't watched broadcast TV since the early 1990s except during the period when I was living with my father (and even then, I generally was just watching whatever he had on when I was there with him in the living room, and when he was out I would watch shows I had specifically recorded - about 75% of which were documentaries). When I do watch something, it is on my computer, and often long after it had aired. So I really have no place to speak in this at all.

However, I would add that long-running franchises inevitably have there flops, their 'betrayals', their poor decisions. Consider the following examples, even sticking to the SF/F genre (as it is not limited to any one type of franchise):

Star Trek V. I doubt I need to tell CM anything more about that, I expect he'd have a lot of four-letter words to write about that one.

The Star Wars Holiday Special (1978). You knew I had to mention this epic fail, right? Seriously, if you haven't seen it, you can't imagine how awful it was. I'm not kidding when I say that I was traumatized by it as a kid, the one time it was broadcast. Now, that was a case where the creators of a newly minted franchise was caught off-guard by its success, and were uncertain of how to respond; also, it was caught up in the inexplicable popularity of variety shows at that time, following the success of shows such as Laugh-in in the 1960s and The Carol Burnett Show and Saturday Night Live (though that wasn't in the classic variety show format as such) in the 1970s. It was a victim of a lot of poor decision making and confused situations, and unlike most of the others I'm mentioning, everyone who was involved in that disaster feels ashamed over it. While people are of mixed opinions on both the prequel films, and on certain spin-offs and side projects such as the 'Ewoks' films, everyone is in agreement that SWHS is unbearably bad.

1. I was referring to the little tidbit about the tardigrades lawsuit. I posted a thread celebrating that the steaming dogsh*t that is STD would finally be getting what was coming to it. I then was banned for trolling. No seriously. I was BANNED from a site for TREKKIES for trolling. Despite being a fan of the show. Not a immature and trouble-making pustule of the internet. Well, maybe the immature part is true...but I wasn't trying to cause trouble, nor am I one to do such sh*t.

2. Be glad you didn't watch STD. That is several hours of my life i will never reclaim on tax. Or anything really. It is quite literally the Star Trek equivalent of the Ewok films from the Star Wars franchise.

3. Star Trek V in one word: Shat-ner. For it was the Shatner and the Shatner alone who shat this pile of steaming horses**t out into the world, and it was he alone who directed and starred in this film as Captain Kirk.

Really, it isn't just Shatner's fault. For one, the movie had to follow the amazing film that was ST:IV: the Voyage Home, which followed the good, but not excellent ST:III: The Search for Spock, which followed the best film of the Original Series movies Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan. TMP was just horses**t as well, but at least it had Voyager I in it!!! Or V'ger to be more precise. ST:V is also responsible for having the first instance of a sibling that Spock never mentioned. Except in Syboks case that may be due to shame that his brother was such a dick. In Burnham's case, it is completely unknown why the hell he wouldn't mention her, nor why he would say ten years after her mutiny that there has never been a mutiny on a Starfleet vessel. Despite the fact his sister had a hissy fit and staged a one-woman mutiny. WTF CBS???

Carnival of Courage and TCS aren't much better than STD. STD has the folllowing things that are just plain stupid:

- Holographic communicators nearly a century before they are canonically invented in a less capable form in Star Trek DS9. Even then, holograms are depicted as being limited to a small box. Yet, through some f**king amazing acts of temporal alteration (why didn't Daniels intervene this time??), STD has everyone and their tardigrade having a f**king holographic communicator.

- Where are the viewscreens??? Well, they have windows with Augmented reality now. That's not right, viewscreens have been a part of canon since Enterprise. Which is set a century before STD. We have not seen a ship without a viewscreen on any incarnation of Star Trek bar the Kelvin movies. Also, that's a huge weakspot, and also a really stupid design choice. The point of a viewscreen is that it doesn't shatter if a photon torpedo hits the bridge, and therefore cause your helm officers to go spinning out into the void. That only happens in Nemesis, and they're using a viewscreen, and even then the bridge is less damaged BECAUSE it's a armoured unit.

- Phasers are apparently pulse weapons now. Except that that's only the phasers on the Defiant, and they're a 24th century technology, not 23rd.

- What happened to the classic black lozenge-shaped torpedoes??? They're shaped like spheres now.

- Booby-trapping dead bodies is a war crime. That's something the federation would never do.

- An ANDROID on the bridge. Data was the first android AND robot in Starfleet, that's a clear canon violation.

- Klingons are now four-nostril space orcs whose actors can hardly talk, who only speak Klingon really slowly, and who have been stated by the creators to be Trump Supporters. #notmyklingons

- A bridge on the underside of the saucer section. Bridges are on the top side, as 23rd and 22nd century ships have their primary sensor dome on the underside of the saucer section. The Sheng...shen...shenzoo...whatever the ship is called, has none of the design language of a 23rd or 22nd century vessel. In fact, it has late-24th century angular nacelles and 22nd century/24th century mixed saucer design. It makes no goddam sense in the Starfleet vessel lineage.

- Two words: Spore Drives. What manner of drugs were the writers on??? Magic Mushrooms??? Everything???

- Tardigrades stolen from a unreleased video game. What level has CBS sunken to that they are stealing ideas from a indie visual novel like the plagiarising asshats they are.

- Killing off one of the vaunted Gay couple after he had literally five minutes of screentime, most of which was flashbacks following his death. Then making the other one insane.

- Praising the show for diversity, yet having no one except the main character have any sort of moment in the spotlight.

- Setting up Lorca as this great antihero/villian...then wasting it by saying he's a moustache-twirling double from the mirror universe. Wasted like the victims of Les Moonves.

- Actually just trying to induce fanwanking with the mirror universe. There was no reason for the plot to go there. In fact, the overarching plot of the show kinda just resolved itself without the mirror universe. The fact they wasted half the bloody first season there says a lot about how utterly stupid this show's writing is. Just to make some fans jizz themselves in 'excitement'.

- Mary sue Spock's sister protagonist. Kinda like the original version of the Mary sue. Whoever thought that Micheal Burnham was a good idea was probably a druggie with the brain capacity of a stoned goldfish.

- Invalidating Voyager with the Myceliod network. They didn't have to take seven bloody years to get home, not when they could have used magic space dust to get back home in seven seconds. Epic Fail of bad writing with the spore drive.

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Sorry I understood your point. I was just adding more examples lol.

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RoseBlack wrote: I really don't wanna see Tarantino waste a movie on star trek ugh. Not with all the bs hoops he will have to jump through. And he has already said he's only making so many movies. We only have like 2 left please don't let one be wasted on this. >.<

Yes, but a Tarantino film set in the Star Trek universe, even if it only impinges as a minor note in the background of the series timelines, would be a film worth watching, as he's a very, visually-rich director...

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Schol-R-LEA wrote:
CrazyMinh wrote: I got banned from TrekBBS for mentioning that little fact.

Uh, whose post was this in reply to, and which fact were you talking about?

The Star Wars Holiday Special (1978). You knew I had to mention this epic fail, right? Seriously, if you haven't seen it, you can't imagine how awful it was. I'm not kidding when I say that I was traumatized by it as a kid, the one time it was broadcast. Now, that was a case where the creators of a newly minted franchise was caught off-guard by its success, and were uncertain of how to respond; also, it was caught up in the inexplicable popularity of variety shows at that time, following the success of shows such as Laugh-in in the 1960s and The Carol Burnett Show and Saturday Night Live (though that wasn't in the classic variety show format as such) in the 1970s. It was a victim of a lot of poor decision making and confused situations, and unlike most of the others I'm mentioning, everyone who was involved in that disaster feels ashamed over it. While people are of mixed opinions on both the prequel films, and on certain spin-offs and side projects such as the 'Ewoks' films, everyone is in agreement that SWHS is unbearably bad.

And don't forget The Muppet Show Christmas Special starring The Stars from Star Wars...

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Yeah but if they bind his hands to heck and back on what he is and isn't allowed to do/use/ref then it will likely suck. Honestly star trek has been dead for years. They should just let it go and stop murdering it's corpse.

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Nostalgia glasses are a dangerous thing. They make things in the rearview mirror look better than they were. Quality, as far as Star Trek goes, was in decline back with Voyager. I'm looking at you, "Threshold"... the WORST episode of ANY Trek, old or new. We had year-long temporal battles that were erased from existence, a ship full of living Metal copies of the crew that thought they were the crew, the immortal line "Get that cheese to sickbay". I'm not saying that there weren't problem episodes prior to Voyager, heck. I hate the TNG episode where Barclay sees people trapped in the transporter buffer as worm-like creatures. If you are dis-associated mater, how are you seeing anything?
But to say that Discovery is the beginning of bad Trek is to put on the Nostalgia glasses.

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6 years 7 months ago #54 by CrazyMinh

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Rose Bunny wrote: Nostalgia glasses are a dangerous thing. They make things in the rearview mirror look better than they were. Quality, as far as Star Trek goes, was in decline back with Voyager. I'm looking at you, "Threshold"... the WORST episode of ANY Trek, old or new. We had year-long temporal battles that were erased from existence, a ship full of living Metal copies of the crew that thought they were the crew, the immortal line "Get that cheese to sickbay". I'm not saying that there weren't problem episodes prior to Voyager, heck. I hate the TNG episode where Barclay sees people trapped in the transporter buffer as worm-like creatures. If you are dis-associated mater, how are you seeing anything?
But to say that Discovery is the beginning of bad Trek is to put on the Nostalgia glasses.

I thought the krenim storyline was quite good. It was a interesting concept, just wasn't executed so well on screen (i do admit).

Threshold: yeeep....janeway and paris turning into lizards and having amphibious children was soooo stupid. That episode numbed my brain for a week after watching.

The Barclay one with the trnasported made no goddam sense. I thought it was going to be a new lifeform, but somehow it's worms. WTF is it with worms and sci fi??? I'm lookin at you, Frank Herbert...

The metal copies was pretty silly, and yeah, it was pretty stupid a idea. Though there was quite a bit of character development in those episodes. Though not much. Mainly Tom and Elana's relatioship.

But Discovery...oh you are on for a treat. This is bad EPISODE BY EPISODE!!! Even 1st season TNG wasn't as bad, although you could argue that it was more in line with the cheesy TOS episodes. It was campy and fun.

But this??? This is grimdark...sorry, grimderp.

Spoilers follow:

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Episode 6 is where I ran out of steam for bulls**t. This is where I can't take any more mind-numbing garbage written by a total hack. Hell, I have ABSOLUTELY no experience writing for TV, and I bet you I could write a script a hundred and fifty times better than this. I mean who wrote this crud:

A: Alex Kurtzamn (wrote and Directed the Mummy (2016). Wrote for Bayformers on everything after the second movie. Wrote Star Trek Into Darkness and Star Trek (2009) alongside Rob Orci. Only still employed because he's good at kissing the right asses, despite the fact that pretty much everything he writes for is s**t.)

Oh. Him. Right, NOW it all makes sense. And who railroaded this through production with no regard for respecting the timeline, just because he thought that All Access needed Trek to survive?

A: Les Moonves. (Notorious Sci Fi hater; didn't know the difference between Trek and Wars when he heard about Trek; was micromanaging the production and constantly looking over the writer's shoulders; currently accused of rape through the #metoo movement, and looking like he's going to be fired as CEO of CBS).

And who the hell made that AWFUL soundtrack?

A: Some f**king nobody who is obviously crap at music and who I can't even be bothered to search up on google

CGI?

A: Stop using me, your right hemisphere, as a answering machine. Look this shit up, left hemisphere

So I'm basically arguing now with myself???

A: I'm a f**king idiot.

Yes you are.

A: That means that you're a idiot too. You're me after all.

Oh shut up.

A: Please note everyone else that this is for comedy purposes and that I am not in fact a individual with schizophrenia or split-personality disorder. I am, Crazy, however.

Stop talking to them, they're just AS crazy as you.

A: Sure. Let's end this post here.

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CrazyMinh wrote: - A f**king android on the bridge!!! Data was the first starfleet officer who was a artificial lifeform!!!

If you mean the redhead with the metal implant on her forehead, she was seen earlier without it, It seems to have been implanted later. So Cyborg. If you mean the one that looks like Freiza, from Dragonball Z, I think that's just an alien, possibly a cyborg too, but I think that's just how that species looks. I don't think it was mentioned at any point that they are an android.

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Mister D wrote: And don't forget The Muppet Show Christmas Special starring The Stars from Star Wars...

To this day I maintain the Star Wars episode of the Muppet Show is the funniest half hour of TV I have ever seen. And I have the DVD and rewatch it more than any of the actual Star Wars movies at this point...

Total tangent: What the **** is taking them so long to get seasons 4 and 5 of the Muppet Show out on some form of home video? I've only got scattered episodes from the "Best of" DVD's they did before the season 1-3 sets.

6 years 7 months ago #57 by Kristin Darken

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i think most of the best puppet people are currently working on the redo of Dark Crystal

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6 years 7 months ago #58 by CrazyMinh

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Rose Bunny wrote:
CrazyMinh wrote: - A f**king android on the bridge!!! Data was the first starfleet officer who was a artificial lifeform!!!

If you mean the redhead with the metal implant on her forehead, she was seen earlier without it, It seems to have been implanted later. So Cyborg. If you mean the one that looks like Freiza, from Dragonball Z, I think that's just an alien, possibly a cyborg too, but I think that's just how that species looks. I don't think it was mentioned at any point that they are an android.

I mean the robot. Seen manning a bridge post.

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6 years 7 months ago - 6 years 7 months ago #59 by marie7342231

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Wow, this thread is still alive?! I thought you'd have gotten it out of your system by now. It's been almost 4 weeks.

Can we move on?

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6 years 7 months ago - 6 years 7 months ago #61 by Schol-R-LEA

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You may find some of these helpful, CM. One of the taglines for Swear Trek is "Infinite Vulgarity in Infinite Combinations", after all.

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6 years 7 months ago #62 by CrazyMinh

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What everyone is thinking

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Rose Bunny wrote: What everyone is thinking

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The only way it can truley be let go is if Black Death 2: Electric Boogaloo comes along

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I know this has nothing to do with the topic of this thread (but it can use some good old fashioned derailing as I have no idea what most of the posts are about

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Frozen ...

For all that millions of girls (including my daughter) around the world adored and adore this movie, that is some pretty seriously messed up story.

Very pretty and sweet and everything, but seriously messed up.

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Erianaiel wrote: Frozen ...

For all that millions of girls (including my daughter) around the world adored and adore this movie, that is some pretty seriously messed up story.

Very pretty and sweet and everything, but seriously messed up.

Ah yes, THAT movie. The one my girl watched about 6 gazillion times back-to-back.
It should be obvious that Elsa from Frozen is a bit of a model for my Sidhe character Elle. Except that Elle isn't able to freeze half a continent. And she's got amnesia about the Sidhe stuff.

And the whole distraction to Frozen makes me think of something I learned long ago in the Army.

"I don't know, but I've been told
Eskimo girls are mighty cold.
Mighty cold and ..." ... um, ah, never mind

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elrodw wrote: And the whole distraction to Frozen makes me think of something I learned long ago in the Army.

"I don't know, but I've been told
Eskimo girls are mighty cold.
Mighty cold and ..." ... um, ah, never mind

"My girl ..." hits "never mind" status even sooner. It gets even more disturbing when one notices that the female midshipmen have joined in.

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6 years 6 months ago #68 by elrodw

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null0trooper wrote:
elrodw wrote: And the whole distraction to Frozen makes me think of something I learned long ago in the Army.

"I don't know, but I've been told
Eskimo girls are mighty cold.
Mighty cold and ..." ... um, ah, never mind

"My girl ..." hits "never mind" status even sooner. It gets even more disturbing when one notices that the female midshipmen have joined in.

Maybe we need a 'restricted' thread for 18-plus age so we can all fondly recall all the ... colorful ... jodies we learned in the military?

It's amazing how those get burned indelibly into one's brain

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When I hit 18, I actually tried to join the military, but I couldn't make minimum height and weight requirements

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You can't let this go without letting Skippy get a word in, now, can you?

The 213 things Skippy is no longer allowed to do in the U.S. Army wrote: 58. The following words and phrases may not be used in a cadence- Budding sexuality, necrophilia, I hate everyone in this formation and wish they were dead, sexual lubrication, black earth mother, all Marines are latent homosexuals, Tantric yoga, Gotterdammerung, Korean hooker, Eskimo Nell, we’ve all got jackboots now, slut puppy, or any references to squid.

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CrazyMinh wrote:

That seems like a long way to go just to find the head...

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6 years 6 months ago #73 by CrazyMinh

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Schol-R-LEA wrote:
CrazyMinh wrote:

That seems like a long way to go just to find the head...

How the blood soaked protestant hell did you get my signature quoted???

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Please welcome...the William Shatner barbershop quire

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6 years 6 months ago #75 by Rose Bunny

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this topic...

Kill it... KILL IT WITH FIRE!

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6 years 6 months ago - 6 years 6 months ago #76 by Schol-R-LEA

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CrazyMinh wrote:
Schol-R-LEA wrote:
CrazyMinh wrote:

That seems like a long way to go just to find the head...

How the blood soaked protestant hell did you get my signature quoted???

You do know that it is a moral imperative for me to answer, "Fuck you, that's how", right? One does need to finish the reference, after all.

More literally, I cheated. right-click->copy image address I'm sure the Admiral would appreciate my creative solution. Maybe even give me a commendation.

(Sounds plausible, after all, you can get a medal for dropping a load of bombs into the middle of the Med, right? I mean, the drop pattern was perfect, which does deserve recognition even though it was a few hundred miles off target. Someone, help the bombardier!)

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6 years 6 months ago #77 by CrazyMinh

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Schol-R-LEA wrote:
CrazyMinh wrote:
Schol-R-LEA wrote:
CrazyMinh wrote:

That seems like a long way to go just to find the head...

How the blood soaked protestant hell did you get my signature quoted???

You do know that it is a moral imperative for me to answer, "Fuck you, that's how", right? One does need to finish the reference, after all.

More literally, I cheated. right-click->copy image address I'm sure the Admiral would appreciate my creative solution. Maybe even give me a commendation.

(Sounds plausible, after all, you can get a medal for dropping a load of bombs into the middle of the Med, right? I mean, the drop pattern was perfect, which does deserve recognition even though it was a few hundred miles off target. Someone, help the bombardier!)

Say whatever ya want, ya crazy Protestant bastard. Oh wait, I’m the crazy one...shit! Good thing I’m not a Protestant, eh?? I’ll worship a slice of bacon above a god!!!

Honestly, I think that I’ve overused the T4S quotes. They may be great, but I’m still waiting for abridged Walter v alucard

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