Question Avengers: Endgame

It’s finally here: the end of a era for the MCU.

My god, I remember when Iron Man first came out more than a decade ago. ‘It’s been a long road, getting from there to here’ to quote a rather unique intro song.

But this? I’d never have predicted this:

I've thought that all the Avenger's movies save the first where lack luster and had to many characters that they didn't get decent spolight time. Now the one hero centered I liked, save the Antman and the Wasp cut scenes. So I'm not that interested in the Endgame.

Cryptic wrote: I've thought that all the Avenger's movies save the first where lack luster and had to many characters that they didn't get decent spolight time. Now the one hero centered I liked, save the Antman and the Wasp cut scenes. So I'm not that interested in the Endgame.

Meh. I mean, AoU was shit, and Infinity War got way too dark without earning it.


In any case, I'm not too excited for Endgame either. Marvel (and by extension Disney) have kinda milked the franchise for money since Paramount sold the rights to Disney after Captain America: The First Avenger. It's kinda gone a little off-course since The Avengers, and has lost a lot of the charm it once had.

BUT, Infinity War was pretty frakking awesome. The musical score is, as always, a big win, and the fights are amazingly done. I mean, you CAN get failures like Fantastic 4, The Amazing Spiderman 1 & 2, Superman Returns, etc etc etc; but for every one of those movies, you have fantastic superhero flicks like The Avengers, Guardians of the Galaxy, Iron Man, or even a legendary movie like Dredd (I know Judge Dredd isn't REALLY a superhero, but it's another comic franchise that was made into a goddam stunning movie that unfortunately didn't do well in the box office due to marketing).

The point is that Endgame MAY have it's pros...but it's definately going to have cons. I'm not particularly excited about it...well, I am, being a total nerd...but it's definitely a movie I'll go see with my mates when it comes into cinemas.

Oh, and one of Infinity War's greatest wins was that it put pretty much equal screentime for over 50 different heroes, and managed to tell a coherent story while cutting between them. It didn't harm the movie that they split them into groups so that they could handle the different parts of the story without having them scattered all over the universe.

I honestly believe that, of the twenty MCU movies, every single one of them has been at least "good", and there's not a single one where I felt I wasted my money going to see it.

Some of them are a lot better than others; and at least a couple rely on rather specific saving graces to get up to that "good" rating, but managing 20 films that are all even close to that range? That's an amazing feat.

I think the worst was Thor: The Dark World; with Age of Ultron a fairly close second. But every second Loki was on screen in Dark World was amazing; and AoU at least had some wonder at watching them juggle the cast. It's probably going to look less impressive when I finally rewatch it; Civil War and Infinity War both did much better jobs with even larger casts.)

I would say Infinity War was excellent, but it's a very specialized form of excellence that comes from having such an insanely huge cast working as a sequel to 18 other films. It's a film that literally never could have existed until right then; and if you try to judge it by normal critical criteria they mostly collapse. As you say, it's pretty awesome.

OtherEric wrote: I think the worst was Thor: The Dark World; with Age of Ultron a fairly close second. But every second Loki was on screen in Dark World was amazing; and AoU at least had some wonder at watching them juggle the cast. It's probably going to look less impressive when I finally rewatch it; Civil War and Infinity War both did much better jobs with even larger casts.)

Really? Thor: TDW wasn't that bad, at least in my humble opinion. I mean sure: it wasn;t as good as the first one, and it was also a bit weird with how the plot flowed. I'd say that Iron Man III was worse, with it inexplicably being set during Christmas (when the movie didn't even come out at Christmas to my memory); Stark blowing up all the cool armours, which made me worry that Downey Junior was quitting his role as Iron Man; and the transformation of one of the biggest foes Iron Man faces in the comics into comic relief (I mean, the Mandarin is one of the most badass foes Iron Man faces in the comics, and he's reduced to a actor who plays a terrorist. Seriously, just no,). Oh, and no Acca Dacca music. That was perplexing.

Age of Ultron was pretty chunky and badly-developed when it came to plot, direction and flow, but it did have it's moments. The Hulkbuster fight was a well-choreographed battle, and the intro-fight was decent enough. The humour was pretty funny when it was really trying, and the characters did get enough screen-time to make sure no fan got pissed that their favourite character was sidelined for the entire movie.

Still, I agree that those three are probably the worse. You could throw the first Cap movie in there too, considering it was basically a setup for the Avengers film. But, that had more great moments, and less shit ones.

CrazyMinh wrote: I'd say that Iron Man III was worse, with it inexplicably being set during Christmas (when the movie didn't even come out at Christmas to my memory); Stark blowing up all the cool armours, which made me worry that Downey Junior was quitting his role as Iron Man; and the transformation of one of the biggest foes Iron Man faces in the comics into comic relief (I mean, the Mandarin is one of the most badass foes Iron Man faces in the comics, and he's reduced to a actor who plays a terrorist. Seriously, just no,). Oh, and no Acca Dacca music. That was perplexing.

They fixed the Mandarin thing in the Marvel One-Shot "All Hail the King."

My biggest complaint about the MCU...Civil War should have been a multi part movie all on it's own. Espec once you look at how many characters that were in the actual comic story line. Just felt very rushed.