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Question Possible new canon author ideas and discussion

5 years 8 months ago #1 by Sir Lee
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  • Re Gen1 in general... with the lack of action on the Kimba side, there might be room for other characters to step up. The current authors are good, but they are... well... few in number, and are spreading themselves a bit thin. Perhaps another infusion of new blood could help... who might be a good fit for the TINCC?

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    5 years 8 months ago #2 by JG
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  • Maybe we get lucky and Phoenix does more Hank story soon
    5 years 8 months ago #3 by Kristin Darken
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  • Indeed... we ARE looking to pick up a couple new authors. I'd like at least one for each timeline, and ideally two for Gen 2...

    The ideal author would be willing to commit to 3 (or 2-4) 20k word content releases per year for at least three years with 2/3 of their material developing their own new character 'in time' with the timeline and 1/3 of their work in further development of the universe (either a crossover with other characters or teams, a backstory piece fleshing out the universe more, or a team up with another author on something 'big picture').

    People who have been active as WhatIF writers and can show success with the universe obviously have a foot in the door, but most authors can expect at least SOME audition process required. This is more to make sure you're willing and able to work with US and within the context of the shared process than to see your writing skill (there are plenty of good writers who would be fine just writing their own WU stories... but that doesn't mean they are willing or able to adapt to meet the requirements of the canon authors and the universe and its no point in recruiting people who can't work with us).

    People who are 'new' to us as authors, will also get the opportunity to show us their writing skills as part of their audition.


    We thought about cloning Morpheus... but we suspect he'll just assimilate the clones. I'm fairly sure there is an apocalyptic result down that path, so... maybe we'll have to hope to solve the problem a more traditional way with recruiting. :P

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    5 years 8 months ago #4 by Oneiros
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  • Since Astro is my second favourite Gen 2 author and keeps complaining in our Discord server ( discord.gg/mfDAB28 ) about having to hold back on writing his lovely Morgana I would suggest he join the Gen 1 crew as well.
    Also Polk Kitsune is a lovely human (or rather foxy) being and has written one and a half great stories so far.
    With those two writing for Gen 1 I would certainly read a lot more of that.
    5 years 8 months ago #5 by Kristin Darken
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  • No one is holding back Astro except Astro. If Astro wants to write more, he should.

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    5 years 8 months ago #6 by Astrodragon
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  • I'm sorta too far ahead in G2 as it is. I am thinking of a new character though...

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    5 years 8 months ago #7 by Oneiros
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  • For Gen1 you mean of course
    5 years 8 months ago - 5 years 8 months ago #8 by XaltatunOfAcheron
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  • I decided to take a look at the status of Gen2. Here are the last dates of stories for the major characters:

    Hikaru (Sunshine and Fury) - 9-19
    Cerulea (Laura and the Fan Club) - 9/29
    Eisenmädel and Calliope (Dorms 4.6) 10/02
    Glyph (Ink in her Veins) 10/8
    E.E. Nalley's complex - 10/10
    Dragonsfyre (as e'er...) 10/17

    So yes, Astrodragon has run ahead of everyone else, and that may cause consistency problems for characters that want to catch up.

    I don't know what, if anything, is in the queue, of course, so take that with a grain of salt.

    - - -
    Oh, yes, the last part of Flowers of the Sun is all by itself on 11/24 and 11/25.
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    5 years 8 months ago #9 by DanZilla
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  • Speaking for the Queue... we'll be seeing some Gen2 goodness over the next few weeks... not catching us up completely to Astrodragon but progress will be made... :)
    5 years 8 months ago #10 by Astrodragon
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  • Its why I'm reluctant to go any further forward, although I was careful to only include a few incidents with the rest of the team in e'er.
    You all need to write faster! faster, faster, pussycat, kill! kill! :twisted:

    I love watching their innocent little faces smiling happily as they trip gaily down the garden path, before finding the pit with the rusty spikes.
    5 years 8 months ago #11 by Kristin Darken
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  • XaltatunOfAcheron wrote: I decided to take a look at the status of Gen2. Here are the last dates of stories for the major characters:

    Hikaru (Sunshine and Fury) - 9-19
    Cerulea (Laura and the Fan Club) - 9/29
    Eisenmädel and Calliope (Dorms 4.6) 10/02
    Glyph (Ink in her Veins) 10/8
    E.E. Nalley's complex - 10/10
    Dragonsfyre (as e'er...) 10/17
    - - -
    Oh, yes, the last part of Flowers of the Sun is all by itself on 11/24 and 11/25.


    Here's the thing though. Gen 1 authors may have character / protagonists in the mix of Gen 2 to help flesh out the timeline, but our characters are literally meant to be support not limiting factors. So... Cerulea at the end of Sept, E.E.'s inclusion of Kodiak's kids and Nick... don't really count.

    What DOES count are:
    NeoMagus: Tanya
    Astrodragon: Morganna
    MaLAguA: Vic
    Wasamon: Erica
    MageOhki: Taka or maybe Hikaru

    And to a lesser extent the two characters whose authors didn't even really make it to the Gen 2 release: Bailey and Fiorella (who were created by Katie and Souffle Girl).

    The idea that ANY of these characters is ahead of someone else is nonsense. It's a self-imposed limitation. Some of these characters don't have any critical stories to tell every semester. So waiting for those characters to catch up to someone two weeks ahead of them is ridiculous. There is only (on average) one MUST BE WRITTEN story in the Gen 2 timeline for each month in the timeline. Those are the stories that move forward the overall plot ... and other than being sure to properly foreshadow upcoming critical stories OR having 'aftermath' comments or impacts on characters and setting (without spoilering those events)... any author can move forward at whatever pace they like. They certainly don't have to limit themselves because others are two or three weeks behind. We're not writing journals.

    I haven't seen a single author say "Please don't write/release your next story until I have a chance to get such and such finished and posted to the public. There's too much interwoven to do that without a spoiler or hurting my story." THAT should be the only reason to delay because other authors are not at the same point in the time line.

    Look at how far Diane advanced the timeline using Ayla while most authors of Gen 1 were stuck at Halloween. It didn't hurt the quality of stories that were told later by Elrod or E. E. when they 'caught up'.

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    5 years 8 months ago #12 by Katssun
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  • M3 also isn't as unified as Team Kimba. They have their own little pairings and each character has their own circle of naturally developing friendships at the school.

    Tanya & (Sterling)
    Tanya & Vic
    Tanya & Vic & (Sterling)
    Hikaru & (other RAs)
    Hikaru & Tia
    Hikaru & Taka
    Taka & Jimmy
    Jimmy & Vic
    Laura & (girlfriend)
    Laura & Bailey
    Bailey & (Zapper)
    Erica & Cally
    Bianca & Morgana
    Bianca & (Tinker)...(and other Underdogs)
    Bianca & Morgana & (AJ)
    etc.

    Unlike Team Kimba, who maybe had two separate groups at the most, but they all always hang out every day in a common room or someone's room. Gen 2 might have started out as a ensemble story, but the authors definitely set it up to allow for significantly more character and plot line independence. M3 begin to diverge almost right away once they arrive on campus. Laura's plan for a good lunch table is what keeps them together, whether or not it's really dawned on them quite yet...
    5 years 8 months ago #13 by Astrodragon
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  • I cant agree with Kristin's premise that Laura and Bianca aren't main G2 characters, we've seen from what's been written so far that they are. They can't just be dismissed as an 'add-on'.

    Second, yes, I could carry on writing Morgana forward in time, but unless we want to get into all sorts of awkwardness it will cause problems. I don't want to tie the other writers into what I think the timeline should be like, even ignoring the issue that I am supposed to be keeping to the main line stories, which currently I'm ahead of. So I've slowed down until the main story line progresses a bit further.

    I love watching their innocent little faces smiling happily as they trip gaily down the garden path, before finding the pit with the rusty spikes.
    5 years 8 months ago #14 by Kristin Darken
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  • Then someone needs to collect a list of "at what point in the timeline is your next story" ... because once I wrap up Good Cop / Bad Cop at the middle of Oct, *I* don't have another story from Jimmy until sometime late in the first semester (not quite winter's break, but post-Thanksgiving most likely). You might 'think' you're waiting on people to catch up... while THEY are waiting for Christmas to roll around.

    Hell, I waited for year two of Gen 1 to happen for something like twelve years so I could introduce Esoteric. ;)

    Anyway... the point of my posts is that authors who are active have permission to progress. They/you also have permission to write spin offs in either timeline (or to fill in 'universe' stories and flesh out noodles). Primarily Gen 2 authors should avoid spending too much time working with anything that is core Gen 1 plotline and Gen 1 authors should do the same about Gen 2... mainly because both are complex enough that it would be quite easy to get things mixed up in your brain and end up with continuity errors or spoilers (ie the same concept as avoiding reading too much WhatIF stuff without being careful to separate it from your canon work).

    And Astro... you can agree or not. It doesn't change anything - both Elrod and Morpheus are active and if they are concerned that you are getting 'ahead' of them, they have the ability to write circles around you, me and three other authors combined to get back ahead. :-p

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    5 years 8 months ago #15 by elrodw
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  • The other thing that has to be noted for authors and potential authors is that the Wiki for Whateley has become THE go-to reference, and the effort of the people inputting data and maintaining it is possibly the most important thing to letting us authors weave together disparate stories with overlapping characters. I'm probably understating things when I say that it's valuable; I'm not sure I could write some of my stories without that reference material. So on behalf of me (the only person I'm entitled to speak for), I have to say my hat is off to you, many thanks, gracias, pat yourselves on the back, you are appreciated, etc, etc, etc.

    Anyone who comes in as a new author will quickly discover this to be a truth. And seriously think about joining the cabal. You, too, can become one of us
    one of us
    one of us
    one of us
    ....
    :evil:

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    5 years 8 months ago #16 by XaltatunOfAcheron
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  • elrodw wrote: The other thing that has to be noted for authors and potential authors is that the Wiki for Whateley has become THE go-to reference, and the effort of the people inputting data and maintaining it is possibly the most important thing to letting us authors weave together disparate stories with overlapping characters. I'm probably understating things when I say that it's valuable; I'm not sure I could write some of my stories without that reference material. So on behalf of me (the only person I'm entitled to speak for), I have to say my hat is off to you, many thanks, gracias, pat yourselves on the back, you are appreciated, etc, etc, etc.

    Anyone who comes in as a new author will quickly discover this to be a truth. And seriously think about joining the cabal.
    ....
    :evil:


    If you do "Special:re" and click on recent changes, you'll get a list of what's been changed recently. As of right now, the last 50 changes are by one person: me.

    There are other people who do occasional changes, and they're very welcome, but I'm carrying close to the entire load of bringing the wiki up to date.

    While I'm happy to do this as a service to a site that's given me a lot of enjoyment, there's one slight problem with depending on it:

    I'm dying of untreatable stage 4 cancer. I'm surprised I've lived this long, and I'd be highly surprised if I make it to the end of the year.

    I'm not looking for sympathy although healing prayers would be appreciated.

    What needs to be done with the Wiki falls under two headers: bringing it up to date, and keeping it up to date once it's there.

    I won't say this is easy, because the typical story part takes a couple of days of work. I'm serious about that.

    However, to follow on with what Elrod just said, if you (and I mean the Canon authors) want this invaluable resource to <i>continue</i> to be useful, it needs to be maintained as stories are posted. There is no other way.
    5 years 8 months ago - 5 years 8 months ago #17 by DanZilla
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  • I think part of the issue with wanting other writers to catch-up is something that we can look at Calliope's Outing as an example of... certain "events" are planned ahead of time and if a writer wants their character to partake in the build-up and outcome of them, within their own stories, they need to be written at the same time or after the other author releases the story that the reveal happens in... this necessitates holding for a while when you could be moving forward.

    In Astrodragon's case this could mean the difference between a Breakfast conversation the next day involving talking about Cally's problems or comforting her to talking about floral print dresses instead.

    NOW... this has been a bit of a topic change from the thread... lets get back to discussing who people would like to see as Canon Authors...
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    5 years 8 months ago #18 by elrodw
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  • Okay, time to put it bluntly.
    We want to see if we can bring in fresh talent. All of you who write IF and microscenes and have asked "how do I become a canon author?" - this is your chance to indicate interest, and have your fellow Whateley fans / readers give their support and thumbs up.

    If you might be interested, don't be shy. At all.

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    5 years 8 months ago #19 by null0trooper
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  • *crickets*

    I'll toss my hat in the ring, although my long-form game needs work.

    Forum-posted ideas are freely adoptable.

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    5 years 8 months ago #20 by CrazyMinh
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  • XaltatunOfAcheron wrote:

    elrodw wrote: The other thing that has to be noted for authors and potential authors is that the Wiki for Whateley has become THE go-to reference, and the effort of the people inputting data and maintaining it is possibly the most important thing to letting us authors weave together disparate stories with overlapping characters. I'm probably understating things when I say that it's valuable; I'm not sure I could write some of my stories without that reference material. So on behalf of me (the only person I'm entitled to speak for), I have to say my hat is off to you, many thanks, gracias, pat yourselves on the back, you are appreciated, etc, etc, etc.

    Anyone who comes in as a new author will quickly discover this to be a truth. And seriously think about joining the cabal.
    ....
    :evil:


    If you do "Special:re" and click on recent changes, you'll get a list of what's been changed recently. As of right now, the last 50 changes are by one person: me.

    There are other people who do occasional changes, and they're very welcome, but I'm carrying close to the entire load of bringing the wiki up to date.

    While I'm happy to do this as a service to a site that's given me a lot of enjoyment, there's one slight problem with depending on it:

    I'm dying of untreatable stage 4 cancer. I'm surprised I've lived this long, and I'd be highly surprised if I make it to the end of the year.

    I'm not looking for sympathy although healing prayers would be appreciated.

    What needs to be done with the Wiki falls under two headers: bringing it up to date, and keeping it up to date once it's there.

    I won't say this is easy, because the typical story part takes a couple of days of work. I'm serious about that.

    However, to follow on with what Elrod just said, if you (and I mean the Canon authors) want this invaluable resource to <i>continue</i> to be useful, it needs to be maintained as stories are posted. There is no other way.


    Shit, seriously? Damm, that's some shitty fucking luck. I mean, dude. I'm not religious, but my heart's out for you. Is there absolutely nothing they can do for you? I mean, other than painkillers?

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  • I'm going to try my luck, despite my less-than-stellar writing history with Whateley. But, it's been at least a year and a half since I wrote the last Jayden story, and I think that I've definitely improved as a writer since then. I've had some stumbles in the last year regarding my conduct online, but if I pull a Mega-Death, I think I can work my way towards being a better member of the community, and not causing incidents like the unfortunate affair with Camospan. Which again- on the off-chance that Camo is reading this now- I cannot apologise more for. That was a shitty thing for me to do, and it certainly wasn't warranted. So yeah, I'll see if I have what it takes.

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    5 years 7 months ago - 5 years 7 months ago #22 by Enemyoffun
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  • I wouldn't mind trying. I'm working on something. It could easily fit into either Gen.

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  • Enemyoffun wrote: I wouldn't mind trying. I'm working on something. It could easily fit into either Gen.

    Does it involve mermaids. because I already told you my thoughts on those.

    Just kidding.

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  • Rose Bunny wrote:

    Enemyoffun wrote: I wouldn't mind trying. I'm working on something. It could easily fit into either Gen.

    Does it involve mermaids. because I already told you my thoughts on those.

    Just kidding.


    It does not involve Mermaids. Its about the power of fists LOL.

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  • Kristin Darken wrote: Underground exemplar fighting matches?


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  • ...well shite. Guess I'm out of the game. I've got my Masters thesis to get in by October. So, guess I'm out of the game this time round. Maybe next time :(.

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  • Kristin Darken wrote: Underground exemplar fighting matches?


    Already in Vegas

    I love watching their innocent little faces smiling happily as they trip gaily down the garden path, before finding the pit with the rusty spikes.
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  • There is no real 'next' Story of Hikaru in the box, waiting to be printed by me at this moment, simply becasue I've got plans, but they are holding on Elrodw and I to get together and write them, but they'll move her (and with a bit of luck the main plot) all the way to just past Nov. Realistically, if I tried to write like Diane, I'd *hang* myself.
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  • Hello All

    Some formalities:
    1) XaltatunOfAcheron: So sorry to hear, may you find peace in your beliefs and be surrounded by love.
    2) CrazyMinh: I accept your apology.

    Each day at work feels as if I'm a chained up dog, restrained by rules and regulations. Writing allows me freedom to run wild, chase squirrels and just be me.
    While I have great appreciation for the canon authors and the work they do for our enjoyment, I am not seeking to become one, I thrive on the possibilities 'what if?' presents.
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  • Camospam wrote: 2) CrazyMinh: I accept your apology.


    Thanks, dude. I still feel really bad about what I said back then. Very glad to hear you're OK to return to the fold. Again, I cannot apologise enough for what I said. It wasn't the cool thing to do.

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