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Question COVID-19
5 years 3 weeks ago #1
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5 years 3 weeks ago - 5 years 3 weeks ago #10
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No, we're spending all our time trying to buy toliet paper!
I love watching their innocent little faces smiling happily as they trip gaily down the garden path, before finding the pit with the rusty spikes.
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marie7342231 wrote: How is everyone holding up?
Silver lining: Canon authors should have lots of time to write now. Am I right?
No, we're spending all our time trying to buy toliet paper!
I love watching their innocent little faces smiling happily as they trip gaily down the garden path, before finding the pit with the rusty spikes.
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Trying it out is fun too.
Living in London, where on Friday a tube-train driver was diagnosed after his symptoms started to show.
Means that he was infectious for the weeks before, so most tube staff have good odds on having it.
"The future is already here. It's just unevenly distributed."
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Conceiving children under the aurora borealis is considered auspicious, or so I have been told.
Trying it out is fun too.
Living in London, where on Friday a tube-train driver was diagnosed after his symptoms started to show.
Means that he was infectious for the weeks before, so most tube staff have good odds on having it.
"The future is already here. It's just unevenly distributed."
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"A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it." - Agent K.
Toilet Paper, Hand Sanitizer, Surgical Masks, and Bleach are selling out at all the stores near me. I went in to the grocery store today, and saw someone had emptied out the entire supply of canned tuna into a cart to purchase. No tuna sammiches for me.
Toilet Paper, Hand Sanitizer, Surgical Masks, and Bleach are selling out at all the stores near me. I went in to the grocery store today, and saw someone had emptied out the entire supply of canned tuna into a cart to purchase. No tuna sammiches for me.
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Its like no one has heard of bulk buying TP and normally only buys enough to last a couple weeks, not 1-2 months....
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Rose Bunny wrote: "A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it." - Agent K.
Toilet Paper, Hand Sanitizer, Surgical Masks, and Bleach are selling out at all the stores near me. I went in to the grocery store today, and saw someone had emptied out the entire supply of canned tuna into a cart to purchase. No tuna sammiches for me.
Its like no one has heard of bulk buying TP and normally only buys enough to last a couple weeks, not 1-2 months....
Any Bad Ideas I have and microscene OC character stories are freely adoptable.
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So far I am fine.
I live in a country where the government tries to find a balance between "can't disrupt the economy" and "Oh dear Lord, the world is coming to an end".
People are strongly encouraged to work from home but, not yet, required to do so. Of course I already did much of my work from home so this does not change much for me.
Most shops are still open, though mostly at reduced hours, and contact between employees and customers is limited as much as feasible. Schools as well as restaurants, bars, cinemas and other businesses that can not avoid close contact or large groups are required to close so there is not much to do other than watching television and trying to get my daughter to not treat this as an unexpected vacation
Our health minister said, correctly in my opinion, that a full lockdown is not going to be all that useful. It will most likely prevent more cases from occuring but the moment you end the quarantaine the disease is likely to return within weeks. Unless we somehow manage to lock down the entire world for a month. And as long as we have clowns like Bolsanaro and incompetents like he who shall not be named it is impossible to erradicate this disease through quarantaine.
It seems to make more sense to have procedures in place that people can adhere to to minimise the spread of the disease. So far (granted it has only been three days) it appears to be working. The number of cases keeps rising but not the exponential growth we had initially.
For myself, like everybody else I can only try to weather this storm to the best of my ability and hope that common sense measures are sufficient. And to remember that the disease is most dangerous for elderly male smokers.
I live in a country where the government tries to find a balance between "can't disrupt the economy" and "Oh dear Lord, the world is coming to an end".
People are strongly encouraged to work from home but, not yet, required to do so. Of course I already did much of my work from home so this does not change much for me.
Most shops are still open, though mostly at reduced hours, and contact between employees and customers is limited as much as feasible. Schools as well as restaurants, bars, cinemas and other businesses that can not avoid close contact or large groups are required to close so there is not much to do other than watching television and trying to get my daughter to not treat this as an unexpected vacation
Our health minister said, correctly in my opinion, that a full lockdown is not going to be all that useful. It will most likely prevent more cases from occuring but the moment you end the quarantaine the disease is likely to return within weeks. Unless we somehow manage to lock down the entire world for a month. And as long as we have clowns like Bolsanaro and incompetents like he who shall not be named it is impossible to erradicate this disease through quarantaine.
It seems to make more sense to have procedures in place that people can adhere to to minimise the spread of the disease. So far (granted it has only been three days) it appears to be working. The number of cases keeps rising but not the exponential growth we had initially.
For myself, like everybody else I can only try to weather this storm to the best of my ability and hope that common sense measures are sufficient. And to remember that the disease is most dangerous for elderly male smokers.
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The UK just went on lock-down last night.
Necessary, but it should have been done much earlier.
Necessary, but it should have been done much earlier.
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There's at least one strain that's affecting people under 30;
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/23/opinion/coronavirus-young-people.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/23/opinion/coronavirus-young-people.html
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5 years 1 day ago - 5 years 1 day ago #58
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One analytical approach that is really effective is that of SCIM, Simple Critical Infrastructure Maps.
This current situation is a spectacular example of the Goat Rodeo.
Different actors with different agenda's based upon incompatible maps of reality, giving rise to conflicting actions when they're all supposed to be working together.
An excellent write-up here, https://www.northatlanticbooks.com/blog/of-warlords-and-rodeos-why-nothing-works/
SCIM is a basic map that describes the most common ways of dying, and how the infrastructures you use to stop this from taking place.
http://resiliencemaps.org/
No, it's not complete, but the adaptability is it's main strength.
The solutions that work in a desert will be different from the solutions for temperate climates. Solutions that work well in mountains will be different from solutions that work well in coastal swampland.
You'll have to do the analysis yourself, so you can specify it towards the micro-climate where you happen to be.
But, it at least, gives a shared map that everyone can work from, so all actors in a situation are operating from the same initial starting point.
It will also help to make clear what the agenda's are for each actor in a given situation.
Reducing the fragility, and increasing the resilience, of your local situation is a practical step that almost everyone can take, without putting any extra strain on the existing supply chains.
Two podcasts from one of the authors of the SCIM doc's can be found here, https://anchor.fm/fringe-voices/episodes/Coronavirus-and-Pandemics-with-Vinay-Gupta-ebdlc0
and here, https://anchor.fm/fringe-voices/episodes/Pandemics-and-Coronavirus-Part-2-with-Vinay-Gupta-ebi8ic
Part 2 gives a better explanation of how things can work well, and how the SCIM maps can be put into practise in a time-critical situation.
Lots of chewiness in there.
This approach has helped me make sense of things, so i'm just passing the gift on...
This current situation is a spectacular example of the Goat Rodeo.
Different actors with different agenda's based upon incompatible maps of reality, giving rise to conflicting actions when they're all supposed to be working together.
An excellent write-up here, https://www.northatlanticbooks.com/blog/of-warlords-and-rodeos-why-nothing-works/
SCIM is a basic map that describes the most common ways of dying, and how the infrastructures you use to stop this from taking place.
http://resiliencemaps.org/
No, it's not complete, but the adaptability is it's main strength.
The solutions that work in a desert will be different from the solutions for temperate climates. Solutions that work well in mountains will be different from solutions that work well in coastal swampland.
You'll have to do the analysis yourself, so you can specify it towards the micro-climate where you happen to be.
But, it at least, gives a shared map that everyone can work from, so all actors in a situation are operating from the same initial starting point.
It will also help to make clear what the agenda's are for each actor in a given situation.
Reducing the fragility, and increasing the resilience, of your local situation is a practical step that almost everyone can take, without putting any extra strain on the existing supply chains.
Two podcasts from one of the authors of the SCIM doc's can be found here, https://anchor.fm/fringe-voices/episodes/Coronavirus-and-Pandemics-with-Vinay-Gupta-ebdlc0
and here, https://anchor.fm/fringe-voices/episodes/Pandemics-and-Coronavirus-Part-2-with-Vinay-Gupta-ebi8ic
Part 2 gives a better explanation of how things can work well, and how the SCIM maps can be put into practise in a time-critical situation.
Lots of chewiness in there.
This approach has helped me make sense of things, so i'm just passing the gift on...
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In Japan, there were some people who were treated for Covid-19, and were released as being clear, were later re-admitted after testing positive for Covid-19.
There is more than one potential cause:
- They may have been admitted having had a normal flu, that presented the same symptoms as Covid-19, before the full testing regime was brought in;
- There is evidence that shows that more than one strain of Covid-19 exists;
- Recovery and subsequent immunity to one strain does not mean that a recovered patient is immune to the other strains;
- There is also the error rates that the tests have, both in false positives, and in false negatives.
However I just read this today, https://www.jenniferzengblog.com/home/2020/4/10/symptoms-free-cases-found-in-multiple-communities-in-wuhan-
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Bek D Corbin wrote: What's this I read about being able to catch COVID TWICE?
In Japan, there were some people who were treated for Covid-19, and were released as being clear, were later re-admitted after testing positive for Covid-19.
There is more than one potential cause:
- They may have been admitted having had a normal flu, that presented the same symptoms as Covid-19, before the full testing regime was brought in;
- There is evidence that shows that more than one strain of Covid-19 exists;
- Recovery and subsequent immunity to one strain does not mean that a recovered patient is immune to the other strains;
- There is also the error rates that the tests have, both in false positives, and in false negatives.
However I just read this today, https://www.jenniferzengblog.com/home/2020/4/10/symptoms-free-cases-found-in-multiple-communities-in-wuhan-
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