Question The KKK is now targeting Transgenders

The Klan, that merry band of pranksters, is targeting Transgenders in Alabama by sending out flyers to homes in that area, citing a passage in Deuteronomy as a basis for labeling Ts as 'Abominations'.

I am strangely heartened by the fact that Alabamans are reporting this to the Cops, and the Cops are letting the FBI know. Maybe we are stepping forward a bit.

Still, I think that between this and Glen Beck, Poe Cottage is still a good idea.

A group of irrelevant, never was, inbred idiots show their ass, and the citizens of Alabama tired of them report them to both local authorities to put hands on them and the feds to take everything they own, and you think we need Poe cottage?

If anything Bek, I would say this is an excellent example of why it was wasn't needed. I think we have come a lot farther than a lot of people want to realize. I don't see this is a tragedy but as a triumph. In the end decency wins out.

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Out of curiosity, which passage in Deuteronomy? Normally these idiots go straight to Leviticus, which is easily proven to be false and taken out of context. (Those who care about such things most of the homosexual and clothing prohibitions of Leviticus are talking about temple prostitutes, and it is that worship of false gods through sex that is the issue not the acts of sex themselves.)

Bek D Corbin wrote: The Klan, that merry band of pranksters, is targeting Transgenders in Alabama by sending out flyers to homes in that area, citing a passage in Deuteronomy as a basis for labeling Ts as 'Abominations'.

I am strangely heartened by the fact that Alabamans are reporting this to the Cops, and the Cops are letting the FBI know. Maybe we are stepping forward a bit.

Still, I think that between this and Glen Beck, Poe Cottage is still a good idea.

May get in trouble here but...

We are in a sense reliving history with races, but with 'all' cultures; Negro, Caucasian, Asian and so forth, for there is a Transgendered individual who is from each race and not sectionalized by any one. Just as we at one time, and stil do in a lot of respect, persecute gays, blacks, hispanics, from days past. The KKK has actually lost a lot of statue over the years because of their bigotry and are trying to capitalize on another group which is far harder to define.

The problem for them is how we educate our kids now in wanting to stomp out hatred. Unfortunately you can't. Not fully for later on it will rear it's ugly head later on in the guise of some other form. Kids today are not as ignorant as we were before. Faster methods of how news travels in minutes vs hours or days from bygone days. To actually know and accept a person. Not all kids but I suspect a mass majority of them.

More people are accepting of race, its others who want to use bigotry and news methods to spread their hate and agenda that cause us all to look bad. The 10% who harm the other 90%, just as how we treated those with AIDS when it was first discovered and the attitude towards gays and lesbians back then. Generations don't just disappear overnight, it takes years and attitudes to change. If you don't want to, you can talk all you want, it just will go underground temporarily. People hide behind anonymous names to give voice to what's inside them and not their real names unless they are that ignorant for what can come. We see it all the time in messages online, the shaming and so forth.

So the quicker we counteract it the quicker it can die or be hidden until the next time. You'll never stamp out bigotry, hate or indifference for it preys on those that want to use it for their own use. You can only stay vigil for when it resurfaces later on.

Granted things do seem to be improving, but I think we still need Poe.

(1) Kids tend to be easily judgemental, and with a lot uncertain about sex as teenagers the Poe stuff might be best kept quiet for a while.

(2) Caution - lets see if its a REAL change.

Scariest thing is the mistranslation of the word abomination and believing its current meaning is what it meant back in biblical times. Closest translation which a biblical scholar came to was completely different than what it means today. It meant against the culture. So for them to use a biblical verse with the word abomination and think it means the same thing as nowadays is just foolish at best, willfully ignorant at worst.

E. E. Nalley wrote: Out of curiosity, which passage in Deuteronomy? Normally these idiots go straight to Leviticus, which is easily proven to be false and taken out of context. (Those who care about such things most of the homosexual and clothing prohibitions of Leviticus are talking about temple prostitutes, and it is that worship of false gods through sex that is the issue not the acts of sex themselves.)

I'm also curious about the Deuteronomy passage, but also, I don't think the Leviticus is really taken out of context. Usually they draw on Leviticus 18, which is just a list of people you shouldn't have sex with (with a prohibition against letting your children be sacrificed to Molech thrown in for good measure).

I'm a bit familiar with that portion, because it was part of my Torah portion (the portion I read at my Bar Mitzvah), Achrei Mot-Kedoshim. There's a lot of good stuff in the portion, considering that it's in the middle of Leviticus. It begins with the origins of the scapegoat, then talks about Yom Kippur (the Day of Atonement) and then goes into (among other things) who not to have sex with. Fun stuff for a 13-year-old. Although I stuck to discussing the scapegoat and Yom Kippur for my speech.

Of course, I have yet to hear a good explanation of why some parts of the Torah are true and must be obeyed, while other parts can be safely ignored. (I mean, I know that they say Jesus removed some of the laws, but I have yet to see any list of which laws exactly he removed, other than "he removed the ones we don't want to follow, but kept the ones we want to impose on others")

Strictly speaking Arcanis, no Christain is under any part of Mosic Law. As Christ pointed out He was the perfect sacrifice who atoned all sin thus fulfilling the old covenant and writing the new covenant in the hearts of those who would hear His Word. (Fair warning I'm paraphrasing from memory...)

So the real answer is NONE of lev, Deu or the Old Testimant law applies to Christians. It's in the bible for historical completeness and to fully understand who Jesus was and where He came from and the full nature of His sacrifice. But those who try to use the Old Testiment to condemn others show their own ignorance.

More to the point there are no unforgivable sins and no this sin is worse than that one list. And since the only being to ever walk the Earth without sin was murdered two millennia ago none of us should be throwing rocks.

Deuteronomy 22:5, “A woman shall not wear that pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman’s garment. For all that do are an abomination unto the Lord thy God.”

Valentine wrote: Deuteronomy 22:5, “A woman shall not wear that pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman’s garment. For all that do are an abomination unto the Lord thy God.”

That's the Scots screwed then...

Valentine wrote: Deuteronomy 22:5, “A woman shall not wear that pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman’s garment. For all that do are an abomination unto the Lord thy God.”

Well, that's stupid. They should be going after crossdressers, not transgenders.

(Well, not "should". But you get what I mean. )

Also, the last panel here seems relevant.

I'm always amused that the puritanical folks get very angry about the second clause in that verse, but tend to be strangely silent over the first clause...

Never mind the list of abominations also includes idolatry, haughtiness, lying, spreading false rumours, using dishonest weights and measures, remarrying your ex-wife (!), bestality (bad news for Welsh farmers [1]), charging interest on loans, lying (having sex?) with menstrous women and eating sacrificed animals / animals with split hooves / aquatic creatures other than fish / carnivorous birds.

Needless to say, if the law was practiced as written, Judaism would have died out in a few generations (given the usual punishment was to be stoned by the community - a punishment also reccommended for persistently rebellious teenagers).

For Christians, all that lot should fade away courtesy of Matt 5:17 ("I have not come to abolish the Law but fulfil it").

[1] The joke goes that there aren't enough women to go round, and it gets awfully lonely out there on the hillsides, tending their sheep...

Arcanist Lupus wrote:

Valentine wrote: Deuteronomy 22:5, “A woman shall not wear that pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman’s garment. For all that do are an abomination unto the Lord thy God.”

Well, that's stupid. They should be going after crossdressers, not transgenders.

(Well, not "should". But you get what I mean. )

Also, the last panel here seems relevant.

They are not renowned for their intelligence.

Leaving aside the religious discussion, and going back to the matter of Poe Cottage... my view of it is pretty simple:
Poe is there to give "alternative sexualities" teens the choice of being in the closet or out of it.

Let's be frank: a gay or transgendered teen in a regular boarding school would have a much harder time than in a regular spend-the-day-and-go-home high school. You live with those people all the time, including weekends. You eat with them, study with them, shower with them, and have to choose someone to share your room after knowing them for all of half an hour. Keeping in the closet is hard as hell under those circumstances. And if you get outed and it goes badly, you have no refuge other than dropping out.

A Whateley student has it even harder. First, because their gender or sexuality may be changing quickly as a side-effect of their mutation, giving them little time to accept it or learn to hide/deal with it, making it even harder to keep from getting outed. Second, because dropping out may not be an option, so they would have to bear it, with nowhere to hide, for years on end.

Poe mostly restores a measure of control to the teen -- having a refuge allows them to deal with their gender/sexuality issues at their own pace, instead of essentially being dropped in the deep end... of the shark tank... at fourteen.

Yes, acceptance of homosexuality and gender issues is growing. But it still does not mean that we should push teens to be out. They have to have time to grow into it.

Very well stated, Sir Lee. I can say that I am very much in agreement with you on that topic.

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I ended up repeating what Sir Lee stated as I'm in agreement also.

Just try and picture Nikki's first period in a cottage where she was trying to hid her status as a changeling, and thus can't explain why the experience is so uniquely disturbing to her.

In the Whateley universe, there is less tolerance for LGBT, so Poe is more necessary than it would be in our current real-life universe. Believe me, we've discussed this for Gen 2 a LOT. I'm not sure Poe would be necessary in our reality.

elrodw wrote: In the Whateley universe, there is less tolerance for LGBT, so Poe is more necessary than it would be in our current real-life universe. Believe me, we've discussed this for Gen 2 a LOT. I'm not sure Poe would be necessary in our reality.

Then if anything Poe's need to be setup for the Normal (non-mutant's) who would be in desperate need of them. How many superhero's would have considered such an act?

I wouldn't doubt the need for Poe just yet, look at the legislative jack asses in NC, and being placed with peers is always a good thing, even if it isn't secretive.

And certainly the WU was not the only world to have this idea .