Question Well I can't publish THAT!

Bleh, finding myself writing fic bits that I really don't think I should post as thy 'violate' the Don't talk Politics or Religion rule. LOTS of Chimp Chump Trump/Hillary (I can't think of a good slander name for her) bashing. And a few things that if published could maybe get me in legal trouble for threatening a public figure.

Anyone else have this kind of problem now and then?

Not really because I keep it subtle.
An idiot named after a politician but the name is shortened or lengthened to make it less obvious (Clint or Will instead of Bill Clinton, Don instead of Donald for Trump). Or a characteristic of a villain that matches a known public figure (Since Hillary can't be shortened very subtly I'd do this for her, no examples as I don't want to start a political discussion), things like that.
And for ideologies, making at least some of the characters involved in the religious/political/social movement at least somewhat sympathetic, while showing the bad guys as the more extreme version usually works. So having a religious extremist, without going into massive detail about how bad they are, combined with a side kick or friend who is the same religion but nicer and more moderate/understanding. (If Humanity first plays a big role, have at least one or two people who honestly want to protect people and are trying to come up with some safe way to contain mutants, while others are 'kill em all' types)
It's all about being subtle and showing contrast unless you want to be political.

Remember who are the models for the Good Ol' Boys...

Also remember Dr. Hammond's Lawyers:

Defense Team
Attorney F. Yew Baddeley
Attorney Johnny Dickran
Attorney Alan Sugarbitz
Attorney Roberto Cardashio

Cryptic wrote: Bleh, finding myself writing fic bits that I really don't think I should post as thy 'violate' the Don't talk Politics or Religion rule. LOTS of Chimp Chump Trump/Hillary (I can't think of a good slander name for her) bashing. And a few things that if published could maybe get me in legal trouble for threatening a public figure.

Anyone else have this kind of problem now and then?

Hitlery is a personal favorite of mine, though keep in mind the universe is quite divergent. If memory serves Obama was a one term president in the Whateley universe.

E. E. Nalley wrote:

Cryptic wrote: Bleh, finding myself writing fic bits that I really don't think I should post as thy 'violate' the Don't talk Politics or Religion rule. LOTS of Chimp Chump Trump/Hillary (I can't think of a good slander name for her) bashing. And a few things that if published could maybe get me in legal trouble for threatening a public figure.

Anyone else have this kind of problem now and then?

Hitlery is a personal favorite of mine, though keep in mind the universe is quite divergent. If memory serves Obama was a one term president in the Whateley universe.

Shrillary. Hildebeast. Who knows - in Whateley time, she might be an ultra-conservative or be locked in a loonie bin. Who can tell?

In Whateley Academy universe, or least how I like to imagine it, the woman Trump harassed back in 2005 was a super villainess who became so enraged he would dare to grope her like that she reduced him to a charred briquette. At least that is what I wish was true.

Domoviye wrote: Not really because I keep it subtle.
An idiot named after a politician but the name is shortened or lengthened to make it less obvious (Clint or Will instead of Bill Clinton, Don instead of Donald for Trump). Or a characteristic of a villain that matches a known public figure (Since Hillary can't be shortened very subtly I'd do this for her, no examples as I don't want to start a political discussion), things like that.
And for ideologies, making at least some of the characters involved in the religious/political/social movement at least somewhat sympathetic, while showing the bad guys as the more extreme version usually works. So having a religious extremist, without going into massive detail about how bad they are, combined with a side kick or friend who is the same religion but nicer and more moderate/understanding. (If Humanity first plays a big role, have at least one or two people who honestly want to protect people and are trying to come up with some safe way to contain mutants, while others are 'kill em all' types)
It's all about being subtle and showing contrast unless you want to be political.

how about this for an Idea?

all the mutants that 'disappeared' in the hands of the MCO did not!

they are being trained or experimented on to make even better weaponized mutants! a tin foil hat plot of dr evil dimensions ! muahhahaha!

Okay, on that note, what do you think The Donald's opinion of mutants is? Or Hillary for that matter? And what about Steven Hawking? God knows, he's got an opinion about everything else.

Dreamer wrote: In Whateley Academy universe, or least how I like to imagine it, the woman Trump harassed back in 2005 was a super villainess who became so enraged he would dare to grope her like that she reduced him to a charred briquette. At least that is what I wish was true.

can't happen! I call dibs on using him for my fan fic plots as ---blank----ahhhh he got me.....................................................

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Hmmm. Whatever opinion Hawking has on mutants qua mutants, many of them are living proof of the existence of higher dimensions -- which would figure heavily on his theoretical work.

Bek D Corbin wrote: Okay, on that note, what do you think The Donald's opinion of mutants is? Or Hillary for that matter? And what about Steven Hawking? God knows, he's got an opinion about everything else.

IIRC Steven Hawking is a Whateley Trustee, as is Donald Trump.

Yep.

A Wellspring of Sorrows wrote: I mean, who would expect people as varied as Stephen Hawking and Donald Trump to be on the Board of a private high school for mutants?

Let's hope that this version of Trump has a slightly better understanding of how a school should work... I mean, if you look at Trump U...

Sir Lee wrote: Let's hope that this version of Trump has a slightly better understanding of how a school should work... I mean, if you look at Trump U...

I don't think the Trustees have much say beyond hiring the Headmistress and Assistant Headmistress, maybe a few others in the staff.

Yeah, but let's hope he didn't vote for hiring a cardboard cutout of himself as Headmaster...

Valentine wrote:

Bek D Corbin wrote: Okay, on that note, what do you think The Donald's opinion of mutants is? Or Hillary for that matter? And what about Steven Hawking? God knows, he's got an opinion about everything else.

IIRC Steven Hawking is a Whateley Trustee, as is Donald Trump.

Yep.

A Wellspring of Sorrows wrote: I mean, who would expect people as varied as Stephen Hawking and Donald Trump to be on the Board of a private high school for mutants?

And probably at least one of his kids is a mutant. One of his wives would inevitably be a beautiful exemplar.
And a Trump resort in Karedonia after it became more respectable wouldn't be out of the question.

Bek D Corbin wrote: Okay, on that note, what do you think The Donald's opinion of mutants is? Or Hillary for that matter? And what about Steven Hawking? God knows, he's got an opinion about everything else.

Well Trump's opinion on mutants is easy, it's straight H1! after all, mutants are all dangerous aliens and also Muslims. He'd stop them at the boarder, round them up and use them as forced labour to build his wall before sending them back! Hand them all the MCO to return them to were they came from!

Hillary, of course, is a mutant, the Mecca loving, traitor to America that she is, look how she bribed the US Department of the Paranormal to trick up that 'She's not a mutant' test result!

Valentine wrote:

Bek D Corbin wrote: Okay, on that note, what do you think The Donald's opinion of mutants is? Or Hillary for that matter? And what about Steven Hawking? God knows, he's got an opinion about everything else.

IIRC Steven Hawking is a Whateley Trustee, as is Donald Trump.

Yep.

A Wellspring of Sorrows wrote: I mean, who would expect people as varied as Stephen Hawking and Donald Trump to be on the Board of a private high school for mutants?

D'oh! I forgot that detail. Hopefully he isn't doing a presidential run in the WU like he is here.

Bek D Corbin wrote: Okay, on that note, what do you think The Donald's opinion of mutants is? Or Hillary for that matter? And what about Steven Hawking? God knows, he's got an opinion about everything else.

With Hillary if the mutant has money and will kindly make a donation to her foundation or hire a Clinton for a speech, they're A-OK. If not, get in the damn basket.

EE is correct.
Obama was a one term president, the current president in 2016 is Republican (NOT ROMMEY), and yeah, we haven't brought up election stuff, though to be fair most teenagers don't pay THAT much attention

MageOhki wrote: EE is correct.
Obama was a one term president, the current president in 2016 is Republican (NOT ROMMEY), and yeah, we haven't brought up election stuff, though to be fair most teenagers don't pay THAT much attention

Except Ayla, but he's all grown up, or dead. And students taking Civics Class, but only until the test.

Edit: Even if his Uncle is President.

MageOhki wrote: EE is correct.
Obama was a one term president, the current president in 2016 is Republican (NOT ROMMEY), and yeah, we haven't brought up election stuff, though to be fair most teenagers don't pay THAT much attention

And to be really honest, I don't think we'll ever bring up too much politics, because anything we touch (apart from the barest, meager hints) is apt to offend half or more of the audience, no matter which way or party we present. The best thing to do, IMHO, is to present politicians by their characteristics, not their party, e.g. a greedy, sleezy politico, or an upright, honest, old-fashioned Southern Gentleman, or a businessman out to feather his own interests, or so on. Present individual issues ONLY when essential to the plot or story, and leave all mention of parties alone. I did that in one tale - Bikini Beach: The Senator (on Big Closet if you want to read it) - and believe it or not, of the e-mail and comments I got, half thought he was one party, and the other half thought he was the other.

Portraying a specific politician can tend to date a story; the one I mentioned above stays (again, IMHO) timeless because it's independent of times, events, or specific people. For these reasons, you won't see me doing much portrayal of individual politicians. Upside potential is small, downside risk of alienating a chunk of readers is large. That's also why we try to keep from political discussions away from the forums.

Trump in the WU in one WhatIF is very pro mutant. ( Shadowsblade's Vantier over on BCTS and on FM )
Nothing I have seen in Canon or other WhatIF is as explicit about Trump's attitude.

From what I have seen IRL, I would suspect Trump would be a pro MCO and H1 supporter while Clinton would be more Pro DPA. ( actual government department instead of an independent organization )

I'd hoped the text would stand on its own and the fact that Mr. Trump was on the board would be proof of his intentions. Do you honestly think some like Tywystyr would allow an MCO or H1 supporter on the board?

Or the fact that all of Mr. Trump's wives have been supermodels and tens at least (can you say exemplar?) Would be the final clue. But evidently not, since I have to spell things out.

So here is your WOG: Donald Trump is not a member of humanity first, nor does he support the MCO, nor is he a racist, bigot, or homophobe.

Being sort-of-safely half a world away, I would offer the following points referring Mr. Trump:

1. His personal history has so many confusing elements that you can take the fictional version of him pretty much in any direction and STILL be consistent with the real-world Trump, depending on when you establish the divergence. (For Whateley, the divergence is sometime before 2006, obviously)

2. Arguing about him, or Hillary for that matter, -- even about the fictionalized versions of them -- in this particular year is a sure way to get into a flame war. That goes for most prominent politicians, in fact, no matter if they are named Ted Cruz or Elizabeth Warren. So let's please stick to fictional politicians. Argue Jed Bartlett against Frank Underwood all you want.

Or dont even mention them. How many 14 year old kids care that much about politics anyway,

Astrodragon wrote: Or dont even mention them. How many 14 year old kids care that much about politics anyway,

Ayla, Jadis ... Toni and Jade to tease Ayla ... Kate to tease Jadis ... Solange to beat Ayla and Jadis ... Hank and Fey in self defence against Ayla, Jade and Toni ...

Alya and Jadis arent exactly normal teenagers

Phoenix Spiritus wrote:

Astrodragon wrote: Or dont even mention them. How many 14 year old kids care that much about politics anyway,

Ayla, Jadis ... Toni and Jade to tease Ayla ... Kate to tease Jadis ... Solange to beat Ayla and Jadis ... Hank and Fey in self defence against Ayla, Jade and Toni ...

The Spy Kids, to work out why Jadis and Ayla are always discussing it.

Billie, ecause she rooms with the J-Team. She can't help but pick it up by contagion.

Phoenix Spiritus wrote:

Astrodragon wrote: Or dont even mention them. How many 14 year old kids care that much about politics anyway,

Ayla, Jadis ... Toni and Jade to tease Ayla ... Kate to tease Jadis ... Solange to beat Ayla and Jadis ... Hank and Fey in self defence against Ayla, Jade and Toni ...

The Spy Kids, to work out why Jadis and Ayla are always discussing it.

Billie. She rooms with the J-Team. She can't help but pick it up by contagion.

Astrodragon wrote: Alya and Jadis arent exactly normal teenagers

Ayla: "I am not an 'A-Type'. I am an 'A- PLUS Type'!"

Phoenix Spiritus wrote:

Phoenix Spiritus wrote:

Astrodragon wrote: Or dont even mention them. How many 14 year old kids care that much about politics anyway,

Ayla, Jadis ... Toni and Jade to tease Ayla ... Kate to tease Jadis ... Solange to beat Ayla and Jadis ... Hank and Fey in self defence against Ayla, Jade and Toni ...

The Spy Kids, to work out why Jadis and Ayla are always discussing it.

Billie. She rooms with the J-Team. She can't help but pick it up by contagion.

Lily and Star League Jrn. out of pure bemusement over watching Ayla, Toni and the J-Team.

E. E. Nalley wrote: I'd hoped the text would stand on its own and the fact that Mr. Trump was on the board would be proof of his intentions. Do you honestly think some like Tywystyr would allow an MCO or H1 supporter on the board?

Or the fact that all of Mr. Trump's wives have been supermodels and tens at least (can you say exemplar?) Would be the final clue. But evidently not, since I have to spell things out.

So here is your WOG: Donald Trump is not a member of humanity first, nor does he support the MCO, nor is he a racist, bigot, or homophobe.

But he is going to build a HUUUUUUUGE wall, and make H1! pay for it. :

.. *snerk* *snort* *bwahahaha* Niiiiiiiice, Val.


In more serious, yes, most teenagers (G2 has one exception already, admittedly), don't care about politics, so, it's not a major factor, though I'll admit I've been guilty of injecting politics (but again, the story was from a more political point of view) as a factor (outside an aside note in Apple, but that wasn't me!) I'll admit that I did not like the named RL politician I targeted for some.. unkind words, but I only based his actions in story as a logical extension of what he (or she), had already done, or will do.

We haven't mentioned the current sitting president, mostly because A: No reason to, and B: we haven't decided.

I'll say this, it's NOT Trump, though the person is Republican.

MageOhki wrote: .. *snerk* *snort* *bwahahaha* Niiiiiiiice, Val.

We haven't mentioned the current sitting president, mostly because A: No reason to, and B: we haven't decided.

I'll say this, it's NOT Trump, though the person is Republican.

A while back I commented on whom I thought the Gen 2 President was.