Question G2, Seers and 'We can't see past this point'

Is the Gen2 era clear of that sticky spot where seers can't see past, or are things still in flux?

And on a related topic that wouldn't fit in the title; if the Whateley Universe had something like the Machine/Samaritan from Person of Interest, would it have been effected by what ever effected organic seers?

Hmm... Well, there might be reasons why Kristin or someone else mentioned that G2 has a restriction on Precogs, so the timeline might be in flux due to aftereffects of the sticky spot and stuff, making precogs unreliable or something.

Precogs are a HUGE problem for writing dramatic stories. The more accurate the precognition, the less surprise, and thus the less clever or resourceful the protagonist (s) have to be. Don't be surprised about that.

Note that I made Adalie Vitesse a low-level precog - and all she has is general feelings at random times. Not enough to make plans, not enough to really know when or where. Just a feeling - kind of like the feeling of a group of high-school students going into a creepy house near a cemetery under a full moon on a foggy night. You KNOW something bad is going to happen, and in fact one or more of them might have a really bad feeling, but that doesn't stop the plot.

Basically when a precog provides information that is more useful and reliable than a meteorologist's predictions you have problems, otherwise you'd have precogs owning the stock market....

Another great example would be the Eldar Farseer's from the Warhammer 40k universe.

I don't plan on having a Point of View character having Precog abilities, just the "bad guys", and even that is mostly a beefed up version of Deathlist's predictive response system that they're running their plan past as they're trying to follow the Evil Overlord's list do's and don'ts.

Eh, there's another precog, (well, kinda), in G2. Breakdance. But, her power is VERY limited (but can be VERY powerful in the right situation), as well(If you've read Dick's Golden Man, or seen Cage's Next (based ON that story in fact), that's pretty much her power in a nutshell. 60 seconds). High end precogs (ala Mrs. Potter in WU) so, far, we haven't touched.

-wrinkles nose- Ok, I think I can work with that. Maybe the G2 node distorts what the computer sees as it has no way to predict that event happening with the data it is sorting through.

In the discussion of time travel by Larry Niven, he says that any development of time travel will automatically cause itself to cease existing. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niven%27s_laws He also made other comments about time travel which sort of make the analysis process reminiscent of the line from the MST3K theme song: "if you're worried about how they breathe in space and other science stuff, remember, it's just a show".

The Watchmen series had a device invented by Ozymandias that prevented Dr. Manhattan from seeing the future. Perhaps the creature that killed all the pre-cogs had the equivalent of a tachyon generator. I also found it interesting that Dr. Manhattan believed in determinism because he was unable to change the future, but that could possibly be because if he changed the future, he would be unaware of it because he could only see the present future and unable to see the past future and future future. (Larry Niven said that time travel required the creation of more tenses.) He also may have been unable to to act on knowledge of the future because the resulting instability would destroy the universe.

Do we know that the pre-cogs can now see the future. If they could, wouldn't that mean that they could now see how the characters will be rescued or proven to be dead. Perhaps they can see some parts of the future but not others.

Do you think that any of the devisors could build a timey wimey detector. tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Timey-wimey_detector

We'll just have to see what develops over time