Question Common Firearms

What are some common models of firearms in Gen 2 used by the MCO, the police, the FBI, etc, as equipment for agents or for power armor?

I've always loved the detailed listing of specific types of weapons and firearms in the WU, but I lack the knowledge base myself to make use of that without help. Thus, I'm asking if there's some common types that tend to be favored I can at least acknowledge.

You will likely find the first scene of Chapter Three of The Bear, The Bitch and Everything interesting reading then...

E. E. Nalley wrote: You will likely find the first scene of Chapter Three of The Bear, The Bitch and Everything interesting reading then...

I probably will, but I'm having a hell of a time(must resist puns) just catching up on Gen 2 because it was easier and I really wanted to catch up to both. Catching up on gen 1 with Kayda, Tansy, Hank, Nimbus, Lanie, Wyatt, Sebastiano, and anybody else I can't think of or haven't met yet is going to be a very involved project.

It would probably be the same weapon systems we use today depending on the country of origin. USA and other NATO countries would probably us the M4/M16 weapons platform or other weapons firing the 5.56x45mm. But seeing as the modern adoptions of assault rifles has lead to them firing an intermediate rifle cartridge vs a full rifle sized cartridge (what whateley security uses the .308 [7.62x51mm NATO]).

I would assume that give the specific intel about a situation is how the FBI or MCO would field themselves. Humans would probably warrant the standard today. Where as if they are tackling a high exemplar they would probably outfit the agents not in power armor with these battle rifles or maybe some other future bullpup rifle seeing as the length of a battle rifle impedes the weapons handling in close quarters.

the APR-25, as seen in RtS 1, is the standard 'enhanced personnel' battle rifle or powered combat frame (light powered armor, not what is shown as powered armor in WU), battle rifle. Eletrothermal 25mmx107mm round, able to accept various add ons and enhancements. It's also meant for anti paranormal work, so even if you're not 'enhanced' (read paranormal,cybered, or in a combat frame yourself) you can use it as a sniper rifle. It is in SOCOM, and slllooowwwwllllyyy making it's way to line units. Mostly because the Army makes it themselves, with 3D forges and only in a few places.
(It's military designation, is the XM-125.)
Other weapons, dum, dee dum.

Plus I imagine that devisors and gadgeteer weapons are preferred to be kept to certain standards when applicable, for instance if you have a base power frame or power armor you don't want to go through a box of miscellaneous adapters to get it to work, yes I remember there was a certain gadgeteer (i think) at the 06 weapon's fair that specializes in that, but you want plug and play wherever possible.

mhalpern wrote: Plus I imagine that devisors and gadgeteer weapons are preferred to be kept to certain standards when applicable, for instance if you have a base power frame or power armor you don't want to go through a box of miscellaneous adapters to get it to work, yes I remember there was a certain gadgeteer (i think) at the 06 weapon's fair that specializes in that, but you want plug and play wherever possible.

You're gonna have a mixed bag... it all depends on the approach they take...

for instance, if they're taking a renaissance man approach and trying to do everything then they might reinvent every wheel they come across

but, if they're just trying to plug their widget into a power supply or load it into a gun... they'd be sticking to standards where possible.

or, they might approach it from a combination of the two or something entirely different.

Take Slapdash for instance... he specializes in weapons systems and he's a grunt. for some things I'm sure he has to come-up with entirely new approaches (like for Jericho's Core Ejector rifle) but he might house them in a body with exchangeable options like a rail system and/or different stocks for changing it's capabilities depending on mission.

You're thinking of TechWolf.

Ninja'd. That's what I get for not quoting the post in responding to.

MageOhki wrote: the APR-25, as seen in RtS 1, is the standard 'enhanced personnel' battle rifle or powered combat frame (light powered armor, not what is shown as powered armor in WU), battle rifle. Eletrothermal 25mmx107mm round, able to accept various add ons and enhancements. It's also meant for anti paranormal work, so even if you're not 'enhanced' (read paranormal,cybered, or in a combat frame yourself) you can use it as a sniper rifle. It is in SOCOM, and slllooowwwwllllyyy making it's way to line units. Mostly because the Army makes it themselves, with 3D forges and only in a few places.
(It's military designation, is the XM-125.)
Other weapons, dum, dee dum.

DISCLAIMER: I'm not trying to tell anyone what to do in their stories or how things should be called.

However I think that in RL a firearm firing 20 mm (or larger) bullets are considered cannons, as such the APR-25 (which I assume stands for Anti Paranormal Rifle - 25 mm) could be called an autocannon or an assault cannon......

..... Speaking of assault cannons, if I remember correctly in Shadowrun there's the Panther XXL, which is pretty much overkill for most things, and it fires 20 mm rounds, the APR-25 makes it look puny.... Hell, that gun is a BEAST, it deserves the title of Big Effing Gun, any bigger and they might be lugging around an M242 Bushmaster (this is borderline ridicolous, in a totally awesome way but man, we are pushing it)

Not really. Look at this:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.950_JDJ
That's a 24mm bullet, and it's considered a rifle cartridge. Granted, it's uncommon, but not unheard of.

www.anzioironworks.com/MAG-FED-20MM-RIFLE.htm

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barrett_XM109

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lahti_L-39

Two 20mm rifles, and one 25mm "rifle."

Someone like SSG Wilson would have no problem carrying one of these, or something even bigger.

depending on the power armor you could outfit a M61 Vulcan to it. The A2 only weighs 200lbs without the feed system and fires a 20mm cartridge [WARNING EARS in action on a navy ship]

To put this in comparison, in our world, any round over 1/2 inch across(.50 caliber) that is not a shot gun is generally considered a destructive device and heavily taxed and regulated. The rifle Sir Lee links to has a special exception to this law. It's round is nearly 1 inch across.

Awesome. I'm looking for some common ideas to model off of, but the assumption is that thanks to gadgeteers common firearms are much more "advanced" than they used to be, so the actual modern models would be outdated, but it gives me a basis to work off of.

Now I just need someone to help me understand model number and designations and shit, but I suspect some research on wikipedia and gun sites could help that.

Keep in mind that in a world of Gadgeteers and devisors normal weapons might not be what exist in this world.
Even the MCO uses mutant based tech. IE power armors.
Even if they claim otherwise.

Haven't you watched Tales of the MCO?

The energy source that runs MCO power armor is the Power of Justice!

More like the Power of Denial and/or Patent-Stealing.

Ametros wrote: More like the Power of Denial and/or Patent-Stealing.

It's mutant tech, it can't be patented.

Mutants have no rights.

Ametros wrote: More like the Power of Denial and/or Patent-Stealing.

It's not stealing if the mutant is dead or... disappeared.

NJM1564 wrote:

Ametros wrote: More like the Power of Denial and/or Patent-Stealing.

It's not stealing if the mutant is dead or... disappeared.

It is unless (if gadgeteer) the patent is expired

If we own the Mutant, we own the invention.

So that's how the MCO views it. Good to know. That helps. This has all helped. Quite a bit. Though I still need to work on actually incorporating it, I now have something to incorporate.

mhalpern wrote:

NJM1564 wrote:

Ametros wrote: More like the Power of Denial and/or Patent-Stealing.

It's not stealing if the mutant is dead or... disappeared.

It is unless (if gadgeteer) the patent is expired

If the mutant can't report the crime it doesn't exist. Not like anyone is properly checking every iota of the power armor to make sure it's not using copyrighted tech. Not with Goodkind money backing them up. Even if someone contests the use they can keep it bottled up in court complete with gag order until the patent does actually run out.
And much of the tech might not be properly copyrighted. I don't think super villeins would be able to easily even if they thought about it. And the lawyers could easily stop an intellectual property suit.

Worse is the ones using and developing the tech might not even know where it originates from. Even the Goodkinds might not know.

Heck one could eves presume that the Goodkinds entire fortune exists because of mutants. After all that's the only thing that really separates them from this world. Well that and the aliens. And the Lovecraft critters. But it's the most amusing to make mutants the cause.