Question Alfar vs. Sidhe... Are they the same thing?
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What are Alfar, compared to the Sidhe, I wonder?
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Are Nacht and The Bastard speaking of the same thing, I wonder... ... Nine Queens, and there's the Norse Nine Worlds... Hmm... And the World Trees are Yggdrasil-ish for sure...
The Bastard calls Aunghadhail an Alfar
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Sir Lee wrote: But for confirmation from the Bastard, we go to this dialogue between him and the Necromancer in "Boston Brawl II:"
http://whateleyacademy.net/index.php/original-timeline/378-bostonbrawl-ii-this-time-it-s-personal“So you say,” the visage growled. “Still, when face to face with the Daughter of the Burning Oak, you RAN from the Alfar bitch!”
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“I SUNDERED her! Her and her eight bitch sisters and their king as well!
And Nacht mentions Alfar in Slient Nacht Part 1
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Sunny, I’ve met members of both the Alfar and the Trow,
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Are Nacht and The Bastard speaking of the same thing, I wonder... ... Nine Queens, and there's the Norse Nine Worlds... Hmm... And the World Trees are Yggdrasil-ish for sure...
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A trow (also trowe or drow or dtrow) is a malignant or mischievous fairy or spirit in the folkloric traditions of the Orkney and Shetland islands.
The main medieval Germanic cognates of elf are Old Norse alfr, plural alfar, and Old High German alp, plural alpî, elpî (alongside the feminine elbe).
so it seems to me that Alfar = Elven-type sidhe.
Trow = non-elven type.
When Nacht mentions it, I thing she is distinguishing between the elven-type Sidhe, like Fey, Sanctuary, etc. and the non-Elven, like Shadowdancer, the Drow, etc.
The main medieval Germanic cognates of elf are Old Norse alfr, plural alfar, and Old High German alp, plural alpî, elpî (alongside the feminine elbe).
so it seems to me that Alfar = Elven-type sidhe.
Trow = non-elven type.
When Nacht mentions it, I thing she is distinguishing between the elven-type Sidhe, like Fey, Sanctuary, etc. and the non-Elven, like Shadowdancer, the Drow, etc.
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Out, damnéd Spot! Bad Doggy!
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Actually, regarding Trow, she is specifically referring to Troll Bride and Nephandus. Hence why she muses about getting one of those 'Happy Toymaking Christmas Elf' sweaters for him as way to annoy him (well, I doubt he'd care much really, but his mom would hit the roof if she saw it). I can't see Kate actually doing that - it would be a really nasty racist prank, the equivalent of giving N'Dizi a lawn jockey - and it says a lot about just how low her opinion of Jay-Arm is that she would even joke about doing that.
As for their being a difference between Sidhe and Alfar, there probably is some, though less than between either of them and Trow. It might refer to different groups of the same Fae race/species rather than different species, however. The possibility that they all different sub-groups within a single type of Fae is possibly as well, though.
Keep in mind too that we have seen other non-Sidhe fae already as well (Selkie is, well, a selkie, or at least a water fae along the lines of a selkie, kelpie, naiad, etc.; Shadowdancer is a sluagh; Red in Gen2 is a Redcap; Toison is likely to be a Satyr or Faun fae; etc.), so there is no reason to use Sidhe as a general term for Fae.
As for their being a difference between Sidhe and Alfar, there probably is some, though less than between either of them and Trow. It might refer to different groups of the same Fae race/species rather than different species, however. The possibility that they all different sub-groups within a single type of Fae is possibly as well, though.
Keep in mind too that we have seen other non-Sidhe fae already as well (Selkie is, well, a selkie, or at least a water fae along the lines of a selkie, kelpie, naiad, etc.; Shadowdancer is a sluagh; Red in Gen2 is a Redcap; Toison is likely to be a Satyr or Faun fae; etc.), so there is no reason to use Sidhe as a general term for Fae.
Out, damnéd Spot! Bad Doggy!
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