Question Explain Attempt at the Five Fold makeing Gadgeteering... And Artificer Relevants
7 years 5 months ago #1
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Assuming that everything of the MGC is based off Five Fold Court stuff...
Basically the only thing that can't be easily explained, is Gadgeteering, and Devising. 'cause their culture doesn't seem that technological, and more magical / magitechnical...
But, Tabercil reminded me of our resident Artificer's tech knowledge...
So, might Gadgeteers basically be low-level non-magical Artificers? ... If you set an Artificer into pure non-magical tech, would they basically be a Gadgeteer??
While ... Devisors are Low-level Great Old Ones, with their reality warping abilities??
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Although, Gadgeteers are apparently apparently just a very special type of Esper?
... Might Artificers just be a very special type of psychic in a non-organic form, made to focus their psychicness?
... ... Artificers are made by harvesting the best psychic humans of the Five Fold??
Basically the only thing that can't be easily explained, is Gadgeteering, and Devising. 'cause their culture doesn't seem that technological, and more magical / magitechnical...
But, Tabercil reminded me of our resident Artificer's tech knowledge...
So, might Gadgeteers basically be low-level non-magical Artificers? ... If you set an Artificer into pure non-magical tech, would they basically be a Gadgeteer??
While ... Devisors are Low-level Great Old Ones, with their reality warping abilities??
...
Although, Gadgeteers are apparently apparently just a very special type of Esper?
... Might Artificers just be a very special type of psychic in a non-organic form, made to focus their psychicness?
... ... Artificers are made by harvesting the best psychic humans of the Five Fold??
7 years 5 months ago #2
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The problem that is tripping you up is the assumption that all scientific laws remain immutable in all cases. We, even in the real world, know that this is untrue. Most scientific laws are conditional. That's the 'assumptions' that set it up. For example... things work differently with aerodynamics below the speed of sound than they do above it. Things work differently with physics below the speed of light and above it. Etc. Our science generally doesn't incorporate magick, psionics, or most metaphysics... but if they were as prevalent as they are in the WU (especially as they were pre-Sundering); thinking that science wouldn't develop in such a way as to incorporate Essence driven technology... would be foolish.
Also, you assume that 'science' will develop along the same lines in all cases. That's not true. Steam power and electricity were natural outcomes of mechanics and industry on Earth where there is an abundance of water and conducting metals. A society with little of either but lots of sand or crystal might develop with optics as their foundation. Alien minds with alien senses and ways of perceiving the universe could very well focus on math and sciences that we haven't even touched on in ways that make them more advanced than us... while, meanwhile, not having things we consider basic necessity.
Finally... gadgeteering and devisor are NOT about invention. Invention is about taking ideas and understanding of how things work and developing a unique piece of technology to accomplish some task based on those ideas. Both gadgeteer and devisor operate more like those scientists who reverse-engineer technology than those who research and develop new technology. Gadgeteers are a natural outcome of the presence of Prescience and/or precognition.. have an inclination for figuring out how things work, how hard is it to believe your mind would turn your ability to glimpse into the future into a means of unraveling technological puzzles for you. And Devisors are much the same... except their 'glimpse' into a place where they can see the puzzles is not fore-sight... its across dimensional walls into 'alternates'. So Gadgeteers? Crossover between Clairvoyance/Paragon (with an affinity for tech) and Precog. Devisors? Similar crossover between Clairvoyance/Paragon and Warping.... and its the Warping that syncs the object to the alternate dimension and allows it to work here and why if it isn't used by the Devisor that it can fail (desync and tries to work in WU laws).
If you can't see the advantage in being able to reverse-engineer technology that your enemy is working on while you're at war...
Also, you assume that 'science' will develop along the same lines in all cases. That's not true. Steam power and electricity were natural outcomes of mechanics and industry on Earth where there is an abundance of water and conducting metals. A society with little of either but lots of sand or crystal might develop with optics as their foundation. Alien minds with alien senses and ways of perceiving the universe could very well focus on math and sciences that we haven't even touched on in ways that make them more advanced than us... while, meanwhile, not having things we consider basic necessity.
Finally... gadgeteering and devisor are NOT about invention. Invention is about taking ideas and understanding of how things work and developing a unique piece of technology to accomplish some task based on those ideas. Both gadgeteer and devisor operate more like those scientists who reverse-engineer technology than those who research and develop new technology. Gadgeteers are a natural outcome of the presence of Prescience and/or precognition.. have an inclination for figuring out how things work, how hard is it to believe your mind would turn your ability to glimpse into the future into a means of unraveling technological puzzles for you. And Devisors are much the same... except their 'glimpse' into a place where they can see the puzzles is not fore-sight... its across dimensional walls into 'alternates'. So Gadgeteers? Crossover between Clairvoyance/Paragon (with an affinity for tech) and Precog. Devisors? Similar crossover between Clairvoyance/Paragon and Warping.... and its the Warping that syncs the object to the alternate dimension and allows it to work here and why if it isn't used by the Devisor that it can fail (desync and tries to work in WU laws).
If you can't see the advantage in being able to reverse-engineer technology that your enemy is working on while you're at war...

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7 years 5 months ago #3
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Oh no. the Artificer is something else entirely...
Something... terrible.
MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Something... terrible.
MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
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Ya.. the casual observer might note I made no attempt to explain the Artificer ... at all. That wasn't by accident.

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Strange, the Articifer sounds more like a good drinking buddy from my time on active duty. Then again, many folks would have described us as "something terrible" as well...
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You might still sort-of explain the Gadgeteer/Devisor variant of mutant as an attempt to recreate the Artificer attributes... by someone who doesn't know where the Artificer gets her talent from.
Don't call me "Shirley." You will surely make me surly.
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Kristen, are you saying that the next time that BKCRMWDJVG comes for Ayla, Bugs will stare in horror for a few minutes and create a dimensional banishing egg?
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Not if she's been paying attention in class. Devisors are warned that some of the places they look into could cause madness. Remember, they don't START out crazy. Both most of them end up ... stranger... than the average mutant. Why do you think that is?

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You are amusing that BKCRMWDJVG won't take one glance at bunny scream momma and run away screaming insanely back to it's home dimension.
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Katssun wrote: Kristen, are you saying that the next time that BKCRMWDJVG comes for Ayla, Bugs will stare in horror for a few minutes and create a dimensional banishing egg?
You are amusing that BKCRMWDJVG won't take one glance at bunny scream momma and run away screaming insanely back to it's home dimension.
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Would the result look something like this....?
http://www.hello-cthulhu.com/
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NJM1564 wrote:
Katssun wrote: Kristen, are you saying that the next time that BKCRMWDJVG comes for Ayla, Bugs will stare in horror for a few minutes and create a dimensional banishing egg?
You are amusing that BKCRMWDJVG won't take one glance at bunny scream momma and run away screaming insanely back to it's home dimension.
Would the result look something like this....?
http://www.hello-cthulhu.com/
Measure Twice
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