Question Speculation - Five Fold Court is connected to the Five Taoist Elements?

How much of the Five Fold Court is connected to the Five Taoist Elements, I wonder...

If we've discussed this already, then I'm gonna facepalm so much!

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Taoist Cycle of the Elements: Air, Water, Earth, Wood, and Fire.”

“She-Beast, ‘Air’ is NOT one of the Taoist Elements, and that is NOT the proper sequence,” Ito said severely.

“Actually, Ito-sensei, while Metal IS the classic fifth element, some Asian, and even variant Chinese alchemy systems DO recognize both Air as an element, and that sequence.”

Betting its not a coincidence at all, that She-Beast used the Five-Fold Court element set. ... Why is it now usually Metal, instead of Air??? ... Given how the Air Court was snubbed with the Wondersmith Gifting ??

Hmm... Was there a small Metal Court that wanted to join, and that was their way of asking to be brought in, or something?

'Cause there was Canon chatter somewhere that's basically paraphrased as "The Five-Fold Court aren't the be-all and end-all of the groups of people on Earth."

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Then there's the Five Principles system that has the 5 folds of the Courts:

The Azure Dragon of the East represents Wood

the Vermilion Bird of the South represents Fire

the White Tiger of the West represents Metal

and the Black Turtle (or Dark Warrior) of the North represents Water

In this system, the fifth principle Earth is represented by the Yellow Dragon of the Center.

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Oooh! I can edit this! ... For now.

I got wondering if HP's enchanted forest is the Court of the West

Cryptic wrote: I got wondering if HP's enchanted forest is the Court of the West

"HP" as in "Harry Potter"... or "HP" as in "Lovecraft?"

Sir Lee wrote:

Cryptic wrote: I got wondering if HP's enchanted forest is the Court of the West

"HP" as in "Harry Potter"... or "HP" as in "Lovecraft?"

lovecraft

Kristin Darken wrote:

Malady wrote: Why is it now usually Metal, instead of Air???

European alchemists worked with four traditional elements - the feminine air and water, and masculine earth and fire. These elements were represented by the cross and were occasionally bound by a 'fifth' power, that of spirit... represented via a circle containing and linking the four.

Some Eastern mystics worked with five traditional elements - water, earth, fire, metal and wood. In the Book of Five Rings, though, Musashi ends up with the more European version - Water, Fire, Air, Earth... and Void.... the last of which he gets by going 'outside' the circle entirely (ie if the alchemical 'life' is these four elements in their domains contained within the spirit... the void is that area outside what the spirit contains).

The confusion / interweaving mostly comes from New Age writers/blogs/web sites trying to integrate old world with the general idea of Eastern cultures being more spiritual by default. They try to increase the 'wisdom of the ages' value by saying 'see, all these groups came to the same place independently' ...

It goes farther back than that, to the 1890's when some of the scholars from the Golden Dawn were trying to shoehorn every theology they could find into a pseudo-qabbalistic framework, no matter whether the underlying mental models were compatible or not.

Compare the Four Element forms and how they provide a model of reality that works within the landscape where it evolved. However the Northern European models of the world evolved within a different climate, and hence, a different psychic landscape, which is why they have some basic incompatibilities.

In southern european/middle-eastern languages, the Sun is seen as male, aggressive, destructive, and destroying. The Moon is female, life-nurturing, and protective. So far, so desert-climate.

In most of the off-shoots of the Northern Germanic dialects, the sun is positively-aspected female, and life-nurturing, while the moon is negatively-aspected female, or male, like the different aspects of Kali.

Go farther north again, and you'll find the basic elemental forms are Fire and Ice, and not the Four-Element format we're used to.

(Yes, there's also the Diffusionist arguments caused by the northern Siberian trade routes, which is one route that the Yin-Yang concepts could have travelled by. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Exercise for the interested student.)

Or look at "Ogdoadic Tradition" where they use a nine element structure. ( I think that this might be an offshoot of another attempt to re-write the qabbalistic Tree-Of-Life.)

There's as many Authentic Magical Traditions are there are practitioners...