Question Secrets and Conspiracies

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So I've been doing a bit of thinking with regards to the secrecy of the Academy.

It's been mentioned a couple of times I think, that the school is an open secret among some people, like the people of Dunwich, probably a handful of citizens in Berlin and various institutions.

The MCO knows about the school, of course.

That the school is a secret is perfectly understandable, otherwise you'd have picketters, demonstrations, people trying to gain access for various nefarious purposes (Like firebombing a cottage full of "gene-filth" mutie scum offspring), and so on.

But we don't see that. So, those MCO agents who are in deep with H1, are they just not telling H1 about the school, or does no one believe them? Why aren't there massive demonstrations across the country against the school, seeing as mutant hatred seems so prevalent?

Certainly, it wouldn't be a big leap to imagine that several congressmen or senators would propose legislation on behalf of H1 to close down this dangerous training facility for the supervillains of tomorrow? I'm sure Bruce and Herbert would lend support, if not openly, then at least behind the scenes for such a proposal.

Or, are the rumors of this mutant high school merely regarded as a conspiracy? Because, surely the government would never allow something like that, so that's just stupid!

Or?

Which leads me to another thought. Is the school officially a secret, or is it "just" the kind of secret that's really not, but we just never talk about it?

In my mind, it's the second, because I can imagine that the only thing that's worse than the government not telling you about a private school for mutants, is the government deliberately, and officially, keeping such a school a secret.

As far as I've read, the school isn't very well known to the public. Plenty of people know about the school, and certainly the inhabitants of Dunwich, the MCO, the Boston Met Police Force, ARC, and all the major superhero/supervillian groups (Syndicate, West Coast League, etc) know about the schools 'unique student body'. However, I think it's more of a 'we know about the school, but as far as anyone else is concerned the school doesn't exist'. The school is certainly registered with the government as a education facility, and there are certainly individuals in the government (CIA recruiters, I'm looking at you!!!) who know about it's secret. But if you asked a pedestrian in Boston about the school, they'd probably go 'Huh???'. After all, who do you know who knows every school in a country as large as the US??? Even if a reporter found out, they'd hardly be expecting it to be one of thousands of other schools in the US!!! And which reporter would find anything suspicious about a private school in the middle of nowhere (tribal lands are hardly a urban jungle!!!) which largely keeps to itself and has a policy of not letting outsiders know it's secret. Even those who know probably think it wise to keep it a secret, as when the anti-mutant groups found out, they would probably try and attack the school or protest in such a manner that it could easily turn violent. No one wants a group of metahuman teens rampaging through crowds of protestors and causing a massacre!!! Even those generally opposed to mutants (MCO) probably keep their mouths shut to avoid such a incident.

Greatdingo wrote: It's been mentioned a couple of times I think, that the school is an open secret among some people, like the people of Dunwich, probably a handful of citizens in Berlin and various institutions.

If the local folks in Dunwich and Berlin know, then the local H1 chapters know. And, very importantly, they know what else lurks in the area. If you're really concerned about humanity, first and foremost, the ideal outcome would be if all the freaks killed each other. Barring that, at least the information coming out of Goodkind research suggests that mutants are Earth-native things, unlike too many other things.

Unfortunately, revealing The Truth^TM about Whateley risks revealing the truth about Dunwich, and that will draw the Stupid out in droves. Can't argue too much about mutants if the baselines are dead set on becoming Darwin Award winners.

Greatdingo wrote: Certainly, it wouldn't be a big leap to imagine that several congressmen or senators would propose legislation on behalf of H1 to close down this dangerous training facility for the supervillains of tomorrow?

More likely, newly-appointed congresscritters on certain committees get some very eye-opening briefings before they take office.

Greatdingo wrote: In my mind, it's the second, because I can imagine that the only thing that's worse than the government not telling you about a private school for mutants, is the government deliberately, and officially, keeping such a school a secret.

That depends on your point of view and on your need to know (which doesn't have to be "want to know" info). At least they aren't carrying out Montauk-style research, right? Right?

The Government knows, foreign Governments know, Heroes know, Villains know, most if not all of Dunwich knows, likely other local and State LEOs know, the MCO knows, lots and lots of people know.

The important thing is that the MCO knows if they want to get Champion and Dr. Diabolik to work together, there are two ways to do it. Get Dr. Reaper to attack where they are, or out Whateley to H1!. Because there is nothing like having the greatest Supervillains and Superheroes out to stomp your ass, along with a bunch of countries.

It's canon that the leadership of H1! knows about Whateley. Hell, they even infiltrated Whateley Security with a guy.
It's also canon that the rank-and-file does not know. Even a cell who had someone working on a "mutant detector" got confused when they by chance detected a train full of students in early September, and decided that the detector needed work -- implying that they did not know about Whateley.

The assumption is that the ones who are in a position to learn about Whateley in more detail than "there's a rumor about a mutant school" have also been informed about why it would be a very bad idea to blow the secret completely -- among other things, that the "villains" who have kids in Whateley would seek quick and unusual revenge, and the "heroes" would either turn a blind eye or would be too busy with the consequences of such a widespread leak to be bothered protecting the leaker. It could easily degenerate into open basline-mutant warfare -- which the baselines should win on the strength of sheer numbers, but the death toll would be incredible.

Come to think of it... the Goodkinds. Trevor/Ayla and Greg/Gracie didn't know about Whateley previously... but it should not be assumed that Bruce and his brothers were equally in the dark. And from the conversations Ayla had with Paul, it should be assumed that at least Paul now knows that there is such a school,(although he might not have been informed on the details, such as location) but this apparently had no overt consequences in the Goodkind family and group policies.

We also know that H1! didn't tell the rank and file, because Alyss didn't know.

A thousand or so families know (2007ish), maybe double that by 2016.

Sapphire's entire town, at least the adults, likely knows.

So it's a sort of situation where H1 is perfectly willing to hate on, and kill, the proverbial "little guy" on the street, but not willing to blow open the big secrets because they know they'd be screwed if they did?

I wonder, what about those who're just so irrationally set against mutants that they're blinded by their hatred, that they'd be willing to set off a known rager (like the Darwin incident) that they just don't care about the consequences. Or they don't think far enough ahead due to their hatred. They would be the rank and file, yes? Those deliberately kept on the ground, and in the dark, about such secrets. Wouldn't it be possible that they would say "screw it" to it all if they found out and go straight for the school?

I guess it's a good thing that such people are kept in the dark, but that also suggest to me a higher level of organization and control. I mean, Whells was perfectly willing to try and kill a mutant who was interning in his own office at the MCO right outside his office whilst wearing only a ski mask.

It only takes one such crazy person to blow it all open. I reckon that it could have been possible that such a leak has happened before, but was discredited as a conspiracy, or something equally unbelievable?

I remember in Stargate SG-1 where they assist in the production of a TV show called "Wormhole Extreme" that was frighteningly close to the truth. Because if it ever came out that the government had a device that allowed instant travel to other worlds, then they could just point at that show and say "You've been watching too much TV!"

Greatdingo wrote: So it's a sort of situation where H1 is perfectly willing to hate on, and kill, the proverbial "little guy" on the street, but not willing to blow open the big secrets because they know they'd be screwed if they did?

I'd say this pretty much sums up their attitude. Also, as Valentine said, you would have Dr Diabolok and Champion working together to crush your skull. And every other known and unknown mutant of any stripe that could get there before the shooting stopped. Then they would be hunting your agency group like you were a rabid dog.

I wonder, what about those who're just so irrationally set against mutants that they're blinded by their hatred, that they'd be willing to set off a known rager (like the Darwin incident) that they just don't care about the consequences. Or they don't think far enough ahead due to their hatred. They would be the rank and file, yes? Those deliberately kept on the ground, and in the dark, about such secrets. Wouldn't it be possible that they would say "screw it" to it all if they found out and go straight for the school?

It probably happens. But most of the time the school has a 'retired' superheroine as the headmistress. But she is not alone on the staff as far as super powered beings go. Just the staff of the school would frighten away all but the most insane of attackers.

I guess it's a good thing that such people are kept in the dark, but that also suggest to me a higher level of organization and control. I mean, Whells was perfectly willing to try and kill a mutant who was interning in his own office at the MCO right outside his office whilst wearing only a ski mask.

It only takes one such crazy person to blow it all open. I reckon that it could have been possible that such a leak has happened before, but was discredited as a conspiracy, or something equally unbelievable?

I remember in Stargate SG-1 where they assist in the production of a TV show called "Wormhole Extreme" that was frighteningly close to the truth. Because if it ever came out that the government had a device that allowed instant travel to other worlds, then they could just point at that show and say "You've been watching too much TV!"

There is this too. Or you can think of it as an exercise in the application of The Wizard's First Rule.

Greatdingo wrote: I remember in Stargate SG-1 where they assist in the production of a TV show called "Wormhole Extreme" that was frighteningly close to the truth. Because if it ever came out that the government had a device that allowed instant travel to other worlds, then they could just point at that show and say "You've been watching too much TV!"

Can you say Sky High or Xavier's School for Gifted Children (funny how there's never anyone there).

Valentine wrote: Can you say Sky High or Xavier's School for Gifted Children (funny how there's never anyone there).

Well, yeah. But Sky High is "sky" high. Maybe a couple of miles up? I mean, if the protesters could picket outside that school I'd be inclined to let them.

And I think it was in Ultimate X-Men vs The Ultimates where Tony Stark visits the Xavier institute and comments on how advanced the cloaking technology is, making it look like a local chapter of Jehova's Witnesses full of "untouched beauties" and bible studies.

Of course, Whateley has the advantage of being in the mountains surrounded by forests and, most of the year, cold weather.

But I think that such a location could just serve as an incentive to pursue legislative means for groups such as H1.

One of the reasons the school was placed on a Reservation was to make it some what extraterritorial and inoculate it from local politics. As to people finding out about the secret, well...




Let's just say there are far more believable conspiracy theories than the government colluded with a group of Superheroes AND Super villains to create a mutant training facility that would be neutral and yet still conduct the leading research into mutation AND share that data with the world's governments. I mean really? What's next? Walls covered in maps and news clippings with string tacked to a map of the world? Even Alex Jones has standards, after all..

E. E. Nalley wrote: One of the reasons the school was placed on a Reservation was to make it some what extraterritorial and inoculate it from local politics. As to people finding out about the secret, well...

That is a good point.

E. E. Nalley wrote: Let's just say there are far more believable conspiracy theories than the government colluded with a group of Superheroes AND Super villains to create a mutant training facility that would be neutral and yet still conduct the leading research into mutation AND share that data with the world's governments. I mean really? What's next? Walls covered in maps and news clippings with string tacked to a map of the world? Even Alex Jones has standards, after all..

Gay frogs?

Someone else mentioned the Department of Education. Certainly, I'd think the school would be registered there. But would it be registered as a regular, if private, High School? Or as an actual school for mutants?

I can see good reasons for why either could be the case. If it's registered as a "regular" high school, the pesky journalists can't gain access to information through a Freedom of Information Request, thus helping to keep the school secret.

But then again, as I touched upon in an earlier post. The schools secrecy might not be official, but more something that's technically publicly available, you just have to go look for it yourself because people in the know aren't going to just tell you.
And then, when the shit does hit the fan, everyone can say openly; "Hey, it's no secret, you could have just asked. But you didn't, you just cared more about who the next Kardashian to be voted off the island was!"

Because, who would ask questions about some crackpot school founded by some crackpot lunatic in crackpot backwater country somewhere in Massachusetts?

I'm not sure if I'm making sense here.

Well, we know from the Head Mistress' speech at commencement that the school is accredited and chartered:

Pomp and Conspiracy wrote: “From here,” rang Mrs. Carson's voice through the speakers, “the class of 2007 shall make your mark upon history and the world. Go forth, my students, to greatness. As Headmistress of Whateley Academy under the authority of the New England Association of Schools & Colleges and by the power vested in me by the State of New Hampshire, and the Trustees of this institution seated before you, I, Dr. Elisabeth Carson Summa Cum Laude of DePaul University Class of 1958 certify those receiving diplomas today of having completed the requirements of such documents and to all whom those presents shall greet may be assured of their veracity and worthiness.”

Who exactly issued these documents? Who cares? Everything is in order.

Who personally inspected the school and researched the credentials? There is no need, everything is in order.

Shouldn't someone go and... Top men are working on the problem and we will have their reports presently.

Who...?

Top...Men...



Freedom of Information Act? Oh, wow, you got us. Here you go...

Greatdingo wrote:

Valentine wrote: Can you say Sky High or Xavier's School for Gifted Children (funny how there's never anyone there).

Well, yeah. But Sky High is "sky" high. Maybe a couple of miles up? I mean, if the protesters could picket outside that school I'd be inclined to let them.

And I think it was in Ultimate X-Men vs The Ultimates where Tony Stark visits the Xavier institute and comments on how advanced the cloaking technology is, making it look like a local chapter of Jehova's Witnesses full of "untouched beauties" and bible studies.

Of course, Whateley has the advantage of being in the mountains surrounded by forests and, most of the year, cold weather.

But I think that such a location could just serve as an incentive to pursue legislative means for groups such as H1.

You missed the point, Sky High and X-Men exist as movies and comics in the WU. So just like that Stargate show within a show, when people start talking about Mutant High, the Xavier's and Sky High jokes are made to deflect the issue.

"Hey did you the rumor about the mutie school?"

"Yeah, Wonder Woman is the Principal."

That sort of thing.

Valentine wrote:

Greatdingo wrote:

Valentine wrote: Can you say Sky High or Xavier's School for Gifted Children (funny how there's never anyone there).

Well, yeah. But Sky High is "sky" high. Maybe a couple of miles up? I mean, if the protesters could picket outside that school I'd be inclined to let them.

And I think it was in Ultimate X-Men vs The Ultimates where Tony Stark visits the Xavier institute and comments on how advanced the cloaking technology is, making it look like a local chapter of Jehova's Witnesses full of "untouched beauties" and bible studies.

Of course, Whateley has the advantage of being in the mountains surrounded by forests and, most of the year, cold weather.

But I think that such a location could just serve as an incentive to pursue legislative means for groups such as H1.

You missed the point, Sky High and X-Men exist as movies and comics in the WU. So just like that Stargate show within a show, when people start talking about Mutant High, the Xavier's and Sky High jokes are made to deflect the issue.

"Hey did you the rumor about the mutie school?"

"Yeah, Wonder Woman is the Principal."

That sort of thing.

Oh!

Well, WHOOOSH!

I guess that went straight over my head

But yes, I can totally see it;

"Oi mate, did you hear about that mutie school in New Hampshire? We should go show those mutants what's what!"
"Dude, that's a comic book! You're talking about the X-Men, dumbass!"

Yeah, it works!

Valentine wrote:

Greatdingo wrote: I remember in Stargate SG-1 where they assist in the production of a TV show called "Wormhole Extreme" that was frighteningly close to the truth. Because if it ever came out that the government had a device that allowed instant travel to other worlds, then they could just point at that show and say "You've been watching too much TV!"

Can you say Sky High or Xavier's School for Gifted Children (funny how there's never anyone there).

Deadpool

Colossus: Please. House blowing up builds character.

Well, regarding the "Wormhole X-Treme" approach... in canon there are stuff openly marketed as coming from the "Paranormal Academy." Like Loophole's CO2 grenades. Only it is the sort of QVC late-night ad that is so cheesy that any viewer will think "Paranormal Academy? Yeah, right. This smells like the lamest fly-by-night operation ever..."

In all honesty, the fact the school isn't public knowledge isn't that surprising. If you asked me to name all the schools in my local area, I'd go XXXXXXXXXX XXXXXXX School, and that'd be it. You know why??? I went there during high school (Note to those confused about the X's: That is deliberately placed to avoid revealing exactly which school I went to, and to avoid specifying a exact location for me besides 'Ultimo, Sydney, NSW, Australia'). In any case, even if H1 decided to go public, they'd do so in the knowledge that they'd be causing a massacre, and although their lower ranks are foaming-at-the-mouth fanatics, I doubt the upper echelons of their leadership are the same. They're tactical in what decisions they make and strategic about what information they decide to uncover. Basically, like any other politically-motivated organisation, they make sure they don't do something stupid that could get people killed, get them into trouble, or make their lives harder than needs be. Even if the 'mutant menace' is in need of eradication, they'll still go about it in a way that tries not to get baselines killed in large numbers. Exposing a training facility that a) is sponsored by major, A-list supervillians; b) has a former big-name superheroine as it's principle; c) has backing from pretty much every superhero team worldwide AS WELL AS organisations such as ARC 'and' the MCO (although, all the MCO have in relations with Whateley is a loose agreement that if the academy sticks to the rules enforced by the MCO and plays nice with it's agents, then they won't shut the school down. (Real nice n' friendly relationship going on there. Lots of potential!!!))

So, as everyone else has already implied or stated, the Academy has a three-tier veil working for it. Firstly, they have the shield of popular culture, as anyone who suggests that there might be a superhero high school in New Hampshire will be told 'Dude, the X-men aren't real. Professor X is a fictional character, and his school is just a British manor house in England'. Secondly, the fact that the school is both located in a obscure location, has little about it formally registered (other than possibly a notation in a directory of schools in some archive for the US Dep of Education, and various working-with-minors, employment records and other paperwork for its staff), and has the advantage of being built on tribal lands, meaning that any construction documentation is registered with a seperate government to the US gov, and that the school doesn't have to be formally registered with whatever schooling district it is part of. Finally, even if someone were to think about leaking the information, and had a chance of success, they'd be creating a short-lived conflict which would kill millions and injure thousands as the anti-mutant public bore down upon WA like a thunderstorm, and were killed by scared students. Even worse, the act might cause major supervillian attacks, as the school is considered neutral ground, killing even more, which could turn a minor whistleblowing into a civil war between mutants and baselines. The baselines would win, but the casualties would be immense. In addition, whoever spoke out would surely be massacred by a supervillian, and the heroes would turn a blind eye.

So really, the school is about as safe as safe can be. Hope that this discussion answered your question

That said, once you're 'clear' about knowing about Whateley for a reason or another, it seems like it's horribly easy to get the infos about it. Think about SPECTRUM's 'What the hell' moment when they learnt about Whateley in Silver Linings Chapter 2.

SPECTRUM IS GREEN!!!

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Really??? No one??? God F**king D**mmit

CrazyMinh wrote: SPECTRUM IS GREEN!!!

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Hardric wrote: That said, once you're 'clear' about knowing about Whateley for a reason or another, it seems like it's horribly easy to get the infos about it. Think about SPECTRUM's 'What the hell' moment when they learnt about Whateley in Silver Linings Chapter 2.

Or the reaction by Mr Magic, in Silent Nacht, where he said "What? You mean it's real? I thought it was just an urban legend..."

I will chime in as well. If the school is accredited (which it seems to be) the accreditation process with not too intrusive on the whole. Some people review the required curriculum, review some of the lesson plans from those classes, look at some records with redacted information and then decide the school is meeting minimum requirements or not. The accreditation committee does not interview students. They rarely interview staff other than administrators. The process takes about a week for a school with about 600 students that is K-12 (did it at a local school last school year). In some cases, the committees do not even go to the actual site, they just review the records at some central location (like the central office for a school system) and set up meeting with the various superintendents and principals.

Run up the red flag, keep the committee in the admin buildings and meeting rooms (which is where they stay nearly the entire time they are at a school anyways) and enjoy all the rights and privileges of being a fully accredited school.

Also, remember who the local FBI liason is.

And more importantly, what he is.

IIRC, he was infected with the wolf (bear?) flavour of lycanthropy, which is why he was assigned to Dunwich.

What are the odds that this is true of many of other people in the local bureaucracy. whether they are infected people from outside, or locals who took on the roles that the town needed?

For example, most of the groundskeeping staff at Whateley are from the local tribe. So they are just another layer of the academies defences, but in the same way, the Whateley security are also an addition to the local defences, which is also why the Whateley security are helping out with local occult outbreaks.

You need to remember that Whateley is situated in the middle of one of the worst occult toxic waste dumps on the planet.

The security staff and the teaching staff, are the first line of defence for the school, and the students are the second line of defence, not for the school, but for the survival of everyone else. The students just have to slow things down till the drop-troops from ARC arrive.

The local versions of the civil service will know this because they are having to deal with the same problems. They'll be people who know what the land around Whateley is like. Otherwise they wouldn't be able to do their jobs.

Remember the Jade story, where two aspiring super-villains were sent to rob the local post office as part of their audition for joining the Syndicate?

The only reaction from the locals was that they should stop making a fuss, before one of the students turned up.

How many times has this situation have to have taken place for the local residents be so blase about things like this?

I don't know what sort of mechanisms will be in the background, but there will be some form of compromise reached in order for the school to be there.

Same as for the operations of Arc, which has a nuclear device as a measure of last resort. They have similar compromises in order to exist, and they are allowed to do this because they make a positive contribution to the survival of the human race.

The ARC facility near Arkham is just the local branch of an organisation that owns the facilities doing orbital troop drops. How many other occult sites are they having to keep track of? With orbital facilities, they would be working all over the planet?

In the Darwin story, there was mention of a limit to when they would arrive, as the satellite was not in the correct position due to their orbit. ( It's not specified in the wiki, my guess is funding from the Ty West foundation.)

They would be having to deal with Dr.Reaper-size problems, so they'll be operating internationally.

Imagine the POTUS's first security briefing about all of this.

"Mutants are real."

"Magic is real."

"Aliens are real."

"Class X entities exist, and they want to eat us."

"The world used to be ruled by elves, and they're coming back."

Can you imagine the look on the face of the POTUS when the person giving the briefing nods and says, "Yes sir, this is all real."

"No sir. This is not a joke"

If H.P. Lovecraft was alive today, he'd be a documentary journalist.

The thing to remember is while Whateley and the stories about it are important to us, the readers, the academy doesn't exist in a vacuum, and there's a whole lot of other wyrdness going on.

Mister D wrote: You need to remember that Whateley is situated in the middle of one of the worst occult toxic waste dumps on the planet.

Do you think that nightgaunts would hang around a place that bad?

L.A. - now there's some sticky ...stuff.

Mister D wrote: "Class X entities exist, and they want to eat us."

Just the nice ones.

But the average person knows that mutants, and magic exist. They see things like Ymir attacking NYC on the news. I think they know aliens are real too, Elves are probably misunderstood, and Class X is probably a secret past Berlin.

Valentine wrote: But the average person knows that mutants, and magic exist. They see things like Ymir attacking NYC on the news. I think they know aliens are real too, Elves are probably misunderstood, and Class X is probably a secret past Berlin.

And think of how much is hidden behind the security clearances, that wouldn't be known to the general public.

Imagine what the Whateley Universe versions of the X-Files would look like...

"Butcher's Row took place, and here's what really happened."

"This is what we really know about the Palm threat, this was the attempted attacks, with projected death tolls, and here's how it was stopped. We hope..."

"Here's the research we have done so far on Dr.Reapers activities, including projected death tolls if he lands in these cities, plus existing contingency plans."

They would include the operational details that make these things, something to work around/recover from, instead of it being a (Un-)Natural Disaster to suffer from.

The lack of control that most individuals would have in their own lives, makes the existence of H1 and the acceptance of the MCO by baseline humanity, seem like a sensible reaction to the incomplete information that most people would have.



And this is only one aspect to the world that the authors have created.

Mister D wrote:

Valentine wrote: But the average person knows that mutants, and magic exist. They see things like Ymir attacking NYC on the news. I think they know aliens are real too, Elves are probably misunderstood, and Class X is probably a secret past Berlin.

And think of how much is hidden behind the security clearances, that wouldn't be known to the general public.

Imagine what the Whateley Universe versions of the X-Files would look like...

"Butcher's Row took place, and here's what really happened."

"This is what we really know about the Palm threat, this was the attempted attacks, with projected death tolls, and here's how it was stopped. We hope..."

"Here's the research we have done so far on Dr.Reapers activities, including projected death tolls if he lands in these cities, plus existing contingency plans."

They would include the operational details that make these things, something to work around/recover from, instead of it being a (Un-)Natural Disaster to suffer from.

The lack of control that most individuals would have in their own lives, makes the existence of H1 and the acceptance of the MCO by baseline humanity, seem like a sensible reaction to the incomplete information that most people would have.



And this is only one aspect to the world that the authors have created.

No, no, no you have it all wrong. In the WU Scully and Mulder are trying to prove that Mutants, Magic, and Aliens are all fake. It's a big conspiracy to make everyone believe all that stuff is true. So they keep finding evidence of props and stuff that proves stuff was faked.

Scooby Doo on the other hand would unmask mutants and ghosts and monsters in every episode, when they unmasked old Mr. Jones the caretaker.

Valentine wrote: Scooby Doo on the other hand would unmask mutants and ghosts and monsters in every episode, when they unmasked old Mr. Jones the caretaker.

"And I would have gotten away with it too," said the disgruntled Eldritch Horror as it slurped its way back to the nether dimensions, "if it wasn't for you pesky Whateley kids!"

Erisian wrote:

Valentine wrote: Scooby Doo on the other hand would unmask mutants and ghosts and monsters in every episode, when they unmasked old Mr. Jones the caretaker.

"And I would have gotten away with it too," said the disgruntled Eldritch Horror as it slurped its way back to the nether dimensions, "if it wasn't for you pesky Whateley kids!"

Does Stranger Things exist in Gen 2??? Does Netflix exist in Gen 2???

Oops, quoted the previous article. Sorry...

CrazyMinh wrote: Does Netflix exist in Gen 2???

Of course! It's one of the most profitable divisions of Goodkind Industries International's entertainment arm.
(Netflix was founded in 1997)

CrazyMinh wrote: Does Stranger Things exist in Gen 2???

No, but the Montauk Foundation would like to discuss some of the sources for your speculations. Tomorrow at 2 PM local looks like it will be open for you.

null0trooper wrote:

CrazyMinh wrote: Does Netflix exist in Gen 2???

Of course! It's one of the most profitable divisions of Goodkind Industries International's entertainment arm.
(Netflix was founded in 1997)

CrazyMinh wrote: Does Stranger Things exist in Gen 2???

No, but the Montauk Foundation would like to discuss some of the sources for your speculations. Tomorrow at 2 PM local looks like it will be open for you.

But isn't it alluded that by Gen2 Goodkind International has fallen or at least the Goodkind family has lost significant power

mhalpern wrote: But isn't it alluded that by Gen2 Goodkind International has fallen or at least the Goodkind family has lost significant power

The Knights of Purity got mauled by a hungry pack of trained lawyers, and by 2016 the Goodkinds aren't as well-known for their anti-mutant antics as they used to be. It's possible that the multinational went down with that ship (perhaps far too much money had been diverted to the cause?), but it's more likely that in the event of consequential fiscal fallout, spinning off a few divisions would raise cash and net some good PR.

My guess is that GKI's anti-mutant policies were axed before Uncle Herb's boys chased the mutant across the road and got thrown under a bus for the effort. Whatever the actual trigger for the change may be, I doubt that it's public knowledge.

null0trooper wrote:

mhalpern wrote: But isn't it alluded that by Gen2 Goodkind International has fallen or at least the Goodkind family has lost significant power

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My guess is that GKI's anti-mutant policies were axed before Uncle Herb's boys chased the mutant across the road and got thrown under a bus for the effort. Whatever the actual trigger for the change may be, I doubt that it's public knowledge.

It may be part of the Canon Cabal background that is yet-to-be-revealed, via the Gen2 stories.

Mister D wrote:

null0trooper wrote:

mhalpern wrote: But isn't it alluded that by Gen2 Goodkind International has fallen or at least the Goodkind family has lost significant power

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My guess is that GKI's anti-mutant policies were axed before Uncle Herb's boys chased the mutant across the road and got thrown under a bus for the effort. Whatever the actual trigger for the change may be, I doubt that it's public knowledge.

It may be part of the Canon Cabal background that is yet-to-be-revealed, via the Gen2 stories.

I was thinking that GKI was hostaly taken over by Alia.

NJM1564 wrote: I was thinking that GKI was hostaly taken over by Alia.

That seems unlikely because Alia isn't born until 10191 AG!

Ayla might have taken it over, more likely, the gig was up with Goodkind Research and the good doctor they protected,