Question Combat Final Arena Set-up Questions...

Combat Final Arena Set-up Questions... Well, one question for now...

Is the spectator-protecting force-field only transparent to visible light EM Radiation, or what?

Kristin Darken wrote: No. and its also not 'just' a forcefield.

And just a side note... remember, generally the problem with force fields isn't that a PFG can't generate a force field or that force fields themselves are too complicated. It's that making them on the personal/individual scale/shape is a challenge and, more importantly, containing a power supply for them that is man carriable seriously limits their capability. Fixed installation fields? Very much a non-issue. Far easier to build, maintain, and power than the wards that back them up.

It helps when you don't need a really, really long extension cord.

Valentine wrote: It helps when you don't need a really, really long extension cord.

Ah actually, really really long extension cord? Covering entire continents and harnessing the power of nuclear weapons?

Been there, done that, our great grandparents did that.

It's cutting the cord and carrying all that power around with you that we haven't quite managed to do.

Well, whatever the forcefield is, it's brand new, since Fey destroyed the old one last semester.


Considering how many devisors and gadgeteers worked on it, I'm guessing that the shield has a lot of fancy tricks up its sleeves.

Phoenix Spiritus wrote: It's cutting the cord and carrying all that power around with you that we haven't quite managed to do.

Well, given that gadgeteers can duplicate warper affects that create extradimensional pockets that are larger on the inside than on the outside, I would that OUR problem with mobile stuff: battery life vs battery weight, would be less of an issue in Whateley if you have enough money.

jmhyp, I believe you are thinking of Mobius who is the one who creates those devises. Not a gadgeteer, as warper effects by definition ignore the laws of physics and thus can't be duplicated by gadgeteers.

Dreamer wrote: jmhyp, I believe you are thinking of Mobius who is the one who creates those devises. Not a gadgeteer, as warper effects by definition ignore the laws of physics and thus can't be duplicated by gadgeteers.

Thuban can do the same thing with room sized area.

They aren't gadgets? And Ayla trust millions of dollars of her equipment not to go Poof in a devise. I'd have to revise my opinion of Ayla.

Perhaps the warp effect to create the intradimensional pocket requires a warper. But I still thought that stablizing the warp effect could be a gadgeteer effect. The problem here is that you can't patent the entire process because you need a warper to generate the warp field. The wiki just says Mobius is a "devisor", no MID, so that's inconclusive.

jmhyp wrote:

Dreamer wrote: jmhyp, I believe you are thinking of Mobius who is the one who creates those devises. Not a gadgeteer, as warper effects by definition ignore the laws of physics and thus can't be duplicated by gadgeteers.

Thuban can do the same thing with room sized area.

They aren't gadgets? And Ayla trust millions of dollars of her equipment not to go Poof in a devise. I'd have to revise my opinion of Ayla.

Perhaps the warp effect to create the intradimensional pocket requires a warper. But I still thought that stablizing the warp effect could be a gadgeteer effect. The problem here is that you can't patent the entire process because you need a warper to generate the warp field. The wiki just says Mobius is a "devisor", no MID, so that's inconclusive.

Well, Domoviye had Mobius use Mythril to stabilize his warp stuff... I don't know if that's based on anything canon, though...

Malady wrote: [
Well, Domoviye had Mobius use Mythril to stabilize his warp stuff... I don't know if that's based on anything canon, though...

The Jade stories state that Thuban uses mithril to stabilize his space-warping constructs, so I imagine that's where Dom picked it up from.

Yeah, someone mentioned Jade's purse from Thuban when I jokingly brought up the subject of making organic things bigger inside, so I ran with it.

jmhyp wrote:

Dreamer wrote: jmhyp, I believe you are thinking of Mobius who is the one who creates those devises. Not a gadgeteer, as warper effects by definition ignore the laws of physics and thus can't be duplicated by gadgeteers.

Thuban can do the same thing with room sized area.

They aren't gadgets? And Ayla trust millions of dollars of her equipment not to go Poof in a devise. I'd have to revise my opinion of Ayla.

Perhaps the warp effect to create the intradimensional pocket requires a warper. But I still thought that stablizing the warp effect could be a gadgeteer effect. The problem here is that you can't patent the entire process because you need a warper to generate the warp field. The wiki just says Mobius is a "devisor", no MID, so that's inconclusive.

Ayla extensively tested the Mobius belt before he started putting expensive stuff into it. He also did a lot of that testing with Whateley nerds scientists.

Valentine wrote:

jmhyp wrote:

Dreamer wrote: jmhyp, I believe you are thinking of Mobius who is the one who creates those devises. Not a gadgeteer, as warper effects by definition ignore the laws of physics and thus can't be duplicated by gadgeteers.

Thuban can do the same thing with room sized area.

They aren't gadgets? And Ayla trust millions of dollars of her equipment not to go Poof in a devise. I'd have to revise my opinion of Ayla.

Perhaps the warp effect to create the intradimensional pocket requires a warper. But I still thought that stablizing the warp effect could be a gadgeteer effect. The problem here is that you can't patent the entire process because you need a warper to generate the warp field. The wiki just says Mobius is a "devisor", no MID, so that's inconclusive.

Ayla extensively tested the Mobius belt before he started putting expensive stuff into it. He also did a lot of that testing with Whateley nerds scientists.

Mmm... Still wouldn't trust a devise that much... Or at least discover how to break it, and what happens when it does. Unless Ayla knows those things too?

Malady wrote:

Valentine wrote:

jmhyp wrote:

Dreamer wrote: jmhyp, I believe you are thinking of Mobius who is the one who creates those devises. Not a gadgeteer, as warper effects by definition ignore the laws of physics and thus can't be duplicated by gadgeteers.

Thuban can do the same thing with room sized area.

They aren't gadgets? And Ayla trust millions of dollars of her equipment not to go Poof in a devise. I'd have to revise my opinion of Ayla.

Perhaps the warp effect to create the intradimensional pocket requires a warper. But I still thought that stablizing the warp effect could be a gadgeteer effect. The problem here is that you can't patent the entire process because you need a warper to generate the warp field. The wiki just says Mobius is a "devisor", no MID, so that's inconclusive.

Ayla extensively tested the Mobius belt before he started putting expensive stuff into it. He also did a lot of that testing with Whateley nerds scientists.

Mmm... Still wouldn't trust a devise that much... Or at least discover how to break it, and what happens when it does. Unless Ayla knows those things too?

Plus there is that Ayla is currently keeping less than 0.1% of his net worth in there. It would be annoying to lose it, but not fiscally damaging.

Valentine wrote:

Malady wrote:

Valentine wrote:

jmhyp wrote:

Dreamer wrote: jmhyp, I believe you are thinking of Mobius who is the one who creates those devises. Not a gadgeteer, as warper effects by definition ignore the laws of physics and thus can't be duplicated by gadgeteers.

Thuban can do the same thing with room sized area.

They aren't gadgets? And Ayla trust millions of dollars of her equipment not to go Poof in a devise. I'd have to revise my opinion of Ayla.

Perhaps the warp effect to create the intradimensional pocket requires a warper. But I still thought that stablizing the warp effect could be a gadgeteer effect. The problem here is that you can't patent the entire process because you need a warper to generate the warp field. The wiki just says Mobius is a "devisor", no MID, so that's inconclusive.

Ayla extensively tested the Mobius belt before he started putting expensive stuff into it. He also did a lot of that testing with Whateley nerds scientists.

Mmm... Still wouldn't trust a devise that much... Or at least discover how to break it, and what happens when it does. Unless Ayla knows those things too?

Plus there is that Ayla is currently keeping less than 0.1% of his net worth in there. It would be annoying to lose it, but not fiscally damaging.

But, would its loss lead to physical damage to his person via loss of defense capabilities?

Since he can't keep all of it in a regular outfit, it's a necessary risk. Annual check ups with Mobius should ensure they stay stable or are replaced in time.

You know...just thought I'd point out that this conversation seems to have strayed quite a bit from the original topic of "Combat Final Arena Set-up Questions..."

Would any of you not agree?