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9 years 4 months ago #1 by Cryptic
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    • Can a manifestation express a power that it's creator doesn't have? Say Ash creates a Picachu, would the yellow rat be able to zap someone?
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    • i will think on that after I stop laughing at the "yellow rat" part
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    9 years 4 months ago #3 by Arcanist Lupus
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    • Cryptic wrote: Can a manifestation express a power that it's creator doesn't have? Say Ash creates a Picachu, would the yellow rat be able to zap someone?

    Well, I don't know whether or not Lindsey's dragon can breathe fire or not, but it wouldn't surprise me.
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    9 years 4 months ago #4 by Kristin Darken
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    • Manifesting depends on the 'type' of manifesting. If you are talking about manifesting in the style of Beltane... it is ALL made of other dimensional goop... ectoplasm. None of it actually does 'anything' that it appears to, the whole experience is generated by the mental construct imposed on it. In that case, you could make it look like the ectoplasmic critter spit lightning... but the lightning itself would also be ectoplasm. You might be able to hit someone with a 'near miss' lightning bolt that is all force and no burning and trick them into thinking it were the real thing. But you won't actually shock/burn them with it.

    The other type of manifestation creates simple true physical items. Often armor, a shield, or a weapon. Nothing complex, moving parts or ammunition, energy weapons, etc... don't make sense in the context of this sort of manifestation. Some forms of this are more organic than others... scales, bark, bone, etc.
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    9 years 4 months ago #5 by Cryptic
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    • -nods- thanks Kristin. Had a knock off of the Symbiont Syndicate bouncing around in my head, where someone "creates" manifested suits to give to people, and had been wondering if they'd need to stick to claws and spikes or there could be a flame wielding She-Devil knock off running around who got her flames from the suit.
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    9 years 4 months ago #6 by Blue Moose
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    • Likewise, I have a character in my head that manifests tympanic membranes which he can use as speakers or microphones. If I'm reading that right, he couldn't use them as if they were Sirens, which was one of his tricks.
    9 years 4 months ago #7 by Sir Lee
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    • Well, that would depend on a few things: first, are you talking about sirens, the noise-emitting device, or Sirens, the mutant class?

    I very much doubt that your character could use a speaker-like sonic diaphragm to mimic a Siren's power -- their power is not in the sound itself, it's a psi power that is linked to sound. Otherwise a recording of a Siren saying "Drop your weapons and surrender" would be very effective as a personal defense measure.

    As for duplicating a siren, like an ambulance, it should be possible (like any other sound) depending only on the degree of control your character has over the membranes. Jinn managed to learn how to vibrate a diaphragm to mimic a voice, so as far as it concerns the Whateley Universe it's apparently within the realm of possibility for the human mind. The crux of the matter is having the mechanical ability to do so (say, by having special high-speed muscles to vibrate the membranes)
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    • Sir Lee wrote: Jinn managed to learn how to vibrate a diaphragm to mimic a voice,

    Jinn manages to get a piece of plastic to mimic ANY and ALL voices. Here PK power is extremely underrated. If the powers guys knew how Jinn "spoke" they would be testing Jade 24/7 just to see what she could vibrate and make produce human-like sounds. Jade's ability is practically magic.
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    • That ability to vibrate objects to create a human sounding voice can be duplicated by most Telekinetics with reasonably fine control. And IS, in fact, how 'most' Sirens work.

    And its easier to learn than you might think, if you have the ability to be aware of object movement to that degree - all you have to do is record someone speaking against a surface and 'watch' how it vibrates. Then duplicate it with your projection ability. From there, experimentation will let you find the subtle variation needed to change pitch, inflection and so on. I can practically read what someone is saying based on a waveform of their audio recording... I can certainly make edits and cuts to a recording without listening to it if I already know the music and/or dialogue recorded on it. I don't imagine using PK in that fashion would be 'that' huge a jump in complexity.

    After all, consider the process involved in generating sound with your voice... speech, language, music/singing... its not like you have to think about much of that on a conscious level once its learned.
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    9 years 4 months ago #10 by amratner
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    • Pern can breath fire. See the first "Bad Seeds" story.
    9 years 4 months ago - 9 years 4 months ago #11 by Kristin Darken
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    • Ah... and if manifestations cannot generate fire or be complex physical objects... then what does that say about Pern?
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    • Kristin Darken wrote: Ah... and if manifestations cannot generate fire or be complex physical objects... then what does that say about Pern?


    Pern is an Avatar! Or something like that. Something inhabited Pern.
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    • Perm is something 'different'', not a pure manifestation of ectoplasm, but a real life animal. I'm not sure it's in any of the stories exactly how Pern was produced.
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    • Phoenix Spiritus wrote: Perm is something 'different'', not a pure manifestation of ectoplasm, but a real life animal. I'm not sure it's in any of the stories exactly how Pern was produced.


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    • Peen was the only manifestation of Dragon Riders that has lasted. She uses magic to manifest them, so who knows if they or Pern follows the same rules.
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    • Ib12us wrote:

    Phoenix Spiritus wrote: Perm is something 'different'', not a pure manifestation of ectoplasm, but a real life animal. I'm not sure it's in any of the stories exactly how Pern was produced.


    Anne McCaffrey


    And it's always bothered me that the dragon is called 'Pern', Pern is the planet the dragon should be called 'Ramoth' or one of the other dragon names, anyone enough of an Anne McCaffrey fan wouldn't name a dragon after the planet!

    Actually, since most of the time Pern is the size of a fire lizard, maybe it should be named 'Beauty' or another of the fire lizard names.
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    9 years 4 months ago #17 by Sir Lee
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    • But it's a good pun. Instead of "Dragonriders of Pern" you have "Pern, of Dragonrider."
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    • Domoviye wrote: Peen was the only manifestation of Dragon Riders that has lasted. She uses magic to manifest them, so who knows if they or Pern follows the same rules.


    Since Pern can grow to 30 feet or more and be ridden, I think it's safe to assume something else is going on.
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    9 years 4 months ago #19 by E M Pisek
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    • Sir Lee wrote: But it's a good pun. Instead of "Dragonriders of Pern" you have "Pern, of Dragonrider."


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    9 years 4 months ago #20 by Phoenix Spiritus
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    • Err, the Ferngully reference lost me.
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    • Phoenix Spiritus wrote: Err, the Ferngully reference lost me.


    Sorry, had a blond moment. It was reference to the cartoon where as Pern was a planet and Fern was a plant and what I consider a ugh bad movie. Bad correlation there. Uhm nevermind.
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    9 years 4 months ago #22 by Pioneer
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    • So is Thuban a reality warper or something more like a spatial warper?

    Going over his wiki link only refers to him as a warper and doesn't specify. But going over what he can do, to me he doesn't change reality so much as he creates pocket dimensions/spaces.
    Just wondering because I've got a similar power in mind but I'm having trouble classifying it on the WA lettering system. Is it an (r), an (i) or an (x) rating?:huh:
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    • I'd say that he's an external size warper. That would give him the codes 's' and 'e'.
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    • I'd say that he's an external size warper. That would give him the codes 's' and 'e'.

    That would explain his own size manipulation. But wouldn't that displace whatever he created one of his rooms in? There would have to be some other form of warping to go along with it, wouldn't there?
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    • 'reality' warping is one of those old trait definitions that was sort of a power wonks catch all for things they didn't really understand. they knew the laws of physics were being altered... but couldn't really lump those laws into a set 'category' like they could with probability, density, gravity, etc...
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    • Never mind about what kind of warper he is found the answer on wiki.:oops: As follows:

    Thuban reveals he's a space warper (although tries to keep it secret) and can temporarily change the size/volume of himself or other objects for a few hours, or "with considerable expense and effort" make the effect permanent. He also reveals he's created other chambers for Lord Paramount (who the car was built for), the CIA, and Queen Elizabeth II.


    But still, I have the question of how it would be rated since he isn't going to tell the testers about it any time soon?
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    • Simple. It won't be rated.
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    • Simple. It won't be rated.

    Sigh! Guess I'll just have to chalk it up to the testers not knowing either.:whistle:
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    • Pioneer wrote:

    Simple. It won't be rated.

    Sigh! Guess I'll just have to chalk it up to the testers not knowing either.:whistle:


    The last scientist that tried to define what a warper was capable of hasn't been heard or seen when he fell down the rabbit hole. Allthough there have been rumors of Alex (now Alice) in Warperland.
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    • Yep, I'm nearly there myself...no you're not you're already there...Oh shut up Fred! :silly:
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    • Wasn't there reference to a girl with the codename
    "Panzer" who manifests armor and a powerful cannon?
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    • Yep

    Vamp wrote: a German girl called Panzer who creates a gun that could blast through a bank vault![/url]

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    • It could be how she uses her energizer power and not strictly manifestation alone. It depends on if others can use it or not.
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    • Arcanist Lupus wrote: Yep

    Vamp wrote: a German girl called Panzer who creates a gun that could blast through a bank vault!


    Panzer obviously manifests METAL and can control it, she is shape locked due to how she manifested to the gun, and rounds it fires.
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    • Phoenix Spiritus wrote: And it's always bothered me that the dragon is called 'Pern', Pern is the planet the dragon should be called 'Ramoth' or one of the other dragon names, anyone enough of an Anne McCaffrey fan wouldn't name a dragon after the planet!


    I don't see a problem with naming a dragon after a planet. That seems like a very dragon thing to do, actually. :D
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    • Surely a dragon thing to do would be to name the planet after the dragon...
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    • Shouldn't Lindsey's name end in a TH?
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    • That's if she was a dragon. Since she's a dragonrider, she should have an apostrophe. Actually, that only applied to male dragonriders, so Lindsey is fine. Which is good, because I have no idea how to contract it.
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    • Arcanist Lupus wrote: That's if she was a dragon. Since she's a dragonrider, she should have an apostrophe. Actually, that only applied to male dragonriders, so Lindsey is fine. Which is good, because I have no idea how to contract it.


    You get a lawyer to draw it up and have it notarized silly. That is before the dragon eats the lawyer.
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    • Ib12us wrote:

    Arcanist Lupus wrote: That's if she was a dragon. Since she's a dragonrider, she should have an apostrophe. Actually, that only applied to male dragonriders, so Lindsey is fine. Which is good, because I have no idea how to contract it.


    You get a lawyer to draw it up and have it notarized silly. That is before the dragon eats the lawyer.


    And suddenly I am reminded why I Hate Dragons .
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    • That was an awesome story.
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    • I agree. Witty, dry and the dude is still alive, save for a six % raise to fatten him up for the next dragon.
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    • Ib12us wrote: I agree. Witty, dry and the dude is still alive, save for a six % raise to fatten him up for the next dragon.


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    • Chapter 4, no chapter 3, there is a part where it goes to 1st person for Skip. Then back to 3rd.

    I still stand by my original statement.
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    • I'm curious about one character from the wiki and who has been in some stories. Galaxy Girl. She is stated to create hard-light constructs out of blue light on the wiki, referencing to Jade 9 when she made a baby carriage. Plus she is listed under the Manifestors section of the wiki. Is her power that of a Manifestor who can create Green Lantern-type energy constructs or would be better classified as an Energizer power? Asking this due to the statement in the 1st page of the thread which says manifestations are either ectoplasm or purely physical manifestations..
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    • Well, AFAIK she isn't a mutant, since the Amazing Three are expys for Marvel's Fantastic Four, who aren't mutants either. So mutant powers classification schemes may not quite fit well.
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    • For the original concept:

    Manifestor/summoner.

    Manifests a critter then temp binds it to a spirit who provides the power.

    Make the character slightly Aspy to explain why he fixated and locks on Pokemon.

    The spirits get a feed so are reasonably happy to do it. (And using one that isn't can be a story hook)
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    • Sir Lee wrote: Well, AFAIK she isn't a mutant, since the Amazing Three are expys for Marvel's Fantastic Four, who aren't mutants either. So mutant powers classification schemes may not quite fit well.

    Shoot, forgot that detail about the Amazing Three. Wonder what the same type of power, hard-light construct of a particular color of light, would be classified as for a mutant. Could it be a manifestor ability, or would it be energizer or something else like a form of magic, or even simply a form of visible telekinesis.
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    • I thought that her name was Galaxian or something similar, not Gravity Girl.
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    • So, what would the manifestation of a clone be? It's got to have the c and z suffixes, as its independent and human-level intelligent. After that, it's just the number to determine toughness, according to the Wiki...

    crystalhall.wikia.com/wiki/Manifesting

    Or would that be more like OMAG , who's a warper?
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    • Has anyone tried a Psi-Energizer? Not a Psi mutant with an Energizer trait, but an Energizer who is able to absorb Psi energy and either release it or use it to amp themselves up.
    They'd obviously be a Psi-Null, as any attempt at reading their thoughts or such would be absorbed.
    Maybe some kind of Psi blast attack or other affects?
    What else would they be able to do?
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    • Uh... no.

    Let me explain the 'primary' and 'expanded' concepts of the Energizer trait.

    An Energizer is a mutant with a bridge created between them and a source of energy. Their body adapts to allow this energy supply to be tapped and channeled into either internal or external uses. Used to fuel their internal abilities, they amp up their strength, stamina, speed and resistances... at extreme levels, their bodies may seem more energy than physical. And even when not 'consumed' by that energy field, their bodies often have physical adaptations that confer the ability to contain and function with heightened amounts of this energy within them. For external Energizers, there are typically direct paths through their bodies to allow for a certain amount of storage and to discharge the energy into their surroundings... in beams, blasts, waves, or so on.

    The most common Energizer 'source' is Earth's own Magnetic field... making 'most' Energizers either internally charging their bodies with electrical or magnetic energy, or externally releasing sparks or magnetic fields. It's important to note that an Energizer is NOT an Electrokinetic. An Energizer may be able to generate and direct a blast of lightning... but they can't control it when it is not a part of them. The Electrokinetic, on the other hand may be able to pull a charge out of a live wire and toss it around the room. But without a source to draw on, they may not be able to do much at all.

    There are also what 'some' people call faux Energizers... which is carryover from the misunderstanding that Energizers can only tap the Earth's magnetic field. While far less common, Energizers can also be linked (internally or externally) to a variety of different energy sources/fields. The confusion mainly lies in the fact that these fields have to be enormously powerful for an energizer to draw on them through planar boundaries as opposed to the nearness of the Earth's own magnetic field. But there ARE such energy sources out there... the flames of a star, for instance. The cold of space. The gravity of a singularity. Even the primal planes accessed by Mages. Just note that the more unusual the energy source, the harder it is for the Energizer to adapt to it and survive the link... and that 'some' types of fields (like those associated with magick) have a tendency to influence their wielder more than others. It should go without saying that the more power an Energizer contains, the less likely they are still biologically close to baseline human.

    And, to some extent, a good understanding of the Energizer trait brings it very closely in line with both Mages and Avatars. Mages being 'Energizers' of a very finicky type of energy that takes more than the usual amount of finesse to use properly... Energizers can't do as much with their energy, they're more of a brute force channel. Avatars on the other hand are Energizers who reached out looking for a power source and instead of getting a direct feed, they connected in with an intelligent supply. And... to some extent, you can tie in Warpers as well... as External Energizers of energy fields that are part of the fundamental laws of the universe.

    Now don't get me wrong... I KNOW that's a stretch and that is why they are different traits. BUT... looking at them this way, with each of the types of trait centered around the connection of the human being tapping into something else/outside... brings them all together in a rather nice way. :)


    And... that explains why there cannot be an Energizer powered by PSI... right? :)
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    9 years 1 month ago #53 by Arcanist Lupus
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    • What I'm getting is that the power an Energizer gets is defined not by the type of energy, but by the source of the energy (which then defines the type as well). And since there's no single source of PSI energy to link to, energizers can't use it. Is that right?
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    9 years 1 month ago #54 by annachie
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    • Pioneer wrote: Has anyone tried a Psi-Energizer? Not a Psi mutant with an Energizer trait, but an Energizer who is able to absorb Psi energy and either release it or use it to amp themselves up.
    They'd obviously be a Psi-Null, as any attempt at reading their thoughts or such would be absorbed.
    Maybe some kind of Psi blast attack or other affects?
    What else would they be able to do?


    But we could have a Psi who sucks Psi* energy and uses it to power Psi or Tk blasts yeah?

    Psi, or emotional energy I suppose. Actually, we do kind of have that already in the Angel of NY don't we.
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    • Yes, Arcanist... but remember, MOST Energizers are tied to the Earth's magnetic field. And that gives abilities ranging from speedster or brick to spark/lightning thrower to tossing plasma balls, to attracting/repelling metals, etc. But it is that tap to the external power supply that gives them the energy to do such things. The amount of food they eat is what it takes to keep that pipeline healthy and open and properly filtering/controlling things to keep the Energizer from being crispy-crittered by its own power supply.
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    • So, how would a Earth's Magnetic field energizer work in space, outside a large mag field?

    But, back to manifesting. Nothing wrong about having a manifestor set to summon awesome but impractical things like gold armor or crystal swords, or BFSes, right? And then possibly not have the strength to use them?
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    • Malady wrote: So, how would a Earth's Magnetic field energizer work in space, outside a large mag field?

    But, back to manifesting. Nothing wrong about having a manifestor set to summon awesome but impractical things like gold armor or crystal swords, or BFSes, right? And then possibly not have the strength to use them?


    There are magnetic fields in space. Rather powerful ones.
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    • Astrodragon wrote:

    Malady wrote: So, how would a Earth's Magnetic field energizer work in space, outside a large mag field?

    But, back to manifesting. Nothing wrong about having a manifestor set to summon awesome but impractical things like gold armor or crystal swords, or BFSes, right? And then possibly not have the strength to use them?


    There are magnetic fields in space. Rather powerful ones.


    So the mutant could be left in one if two situations depending on location and carelessness.
    1) "I can handle this little leak." <ZAp fizzle spark> "Um, anyone got a welding kit?!"

    2) "Hold on I'll save us all!" <ZAP BOOM!!!> Watches the ship split in two. "Mission control, we're going to need another ship."
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    • I always thought Pern was a summoned critter, like Molly's Ambassador Rythax.
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    8 years 2 months ago #60 by Sir Lee
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    • No, Pern is a manifestation. There's a bit more detailed info about her in the late parts of "The Curse of the Dragon Queen."
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    • The fight scene with Bedlam in No Beast So Fierce explains it a bit too.
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    • Sir Lee wrote: No, Pern is a manifestation. There's a bit more detailed info about her in the late parts of "The Curse of the Dragon Queen."

    Ah - more catching up to do. This seems like 'late info', though; I don't recall anything from earlier stories that suggested Pern was all ectoplasm ... (where's my head-scratch smiley when I need it?!)

    The fight scene with Bedlam in No Beast So Fierce explains it a bit too.

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    • DonTZ125 wrote:

    Sir Lee wrote: No, Pern is a manifestation. There's a bit more detailed info about her in the late parts of "The Curse of the Dragon Queen."

    Ah - more catching up to do. This seems like 'late info', though; I don't recall anything from earlier stories that suggested Pern was all ectoplasm ... (where's my head-scratch smiley when I need it?!)


    I think that's because not all manifestations are of ectoplasm. Some manifested materials have included metal, as well as the previously-mentioned scales, bark, bone, blood, fabric, ice, "solid light", etc.

    Also, manifested things can range from a static inanimate object to autonomous, sentient ... something.
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    • Manifesting is one of the least understood traits, really. In fact, its so rarely the same from mutant to mutant that its possible that there are several unique traits all mistakenly lumped into this one category simply because the name applies to all of them. Typically, there are two main varieties talked about: the first is simple 'material creation' in which the mutant directly evokes simple structures or arms/armor made of a single material type out of pure energy, the second sort is the manipulation of ectoplasm drawn through the planar veil and manipulated into anything from simple shapes to what appear to be living organisms.

    There is some basis for argument that the misunderstanding lies in believing that some Manifesters are 'creating' something while others are just manipulating it. This course of thought believes that ALL Manifesters are a TK variant... except where the Pyrokinetic works with fire, or the TK works with Psionic force, a Manifester is manipulating ectoplasm. In these studies, the second type of Manifester is explained through an additional trait allowing Ectoplasm to not only be drawn into the world and be manipulated, but to allow shape/material (or anything else imposed on it) to become its true shape. If this is true, it explains why Manifesting ectoplasm creations allows for such enormous complexity, but 'real' objects tend to be far simpler... simple blade weapons, armor, and so on. Especially those that require mechanical operation or circuitry (anything that would use multiple material types). The conversion into 'real' materials requires greater complexity than most people have, even if they DO have the finesse capability to shape the ectoplasm while its in that form to 'seem' like it was working.

    In fact, if the argument is taken further, a great many PK and TK variants could in theory, be ectoplasm manipulation and conversion... thus explaining the ability to shape and constrain materials and energy forms that are not usually 'held' in such form. That a pyrokinetic might actually be manipulating ectoplasm made to look like fire, converted into flame on the surface of an attack, for example. Similarly, what is frequently seen as matter creation or absorption in Shifting may be a matter of evoking an ectoplasmic 'shell' over the core body and then converting it to organic material. Same thing with high end regeneration and healing.


    Now... if all that it true... it would paint Lindsey as an incredibly powerful Manifester, capable not only of complex ectoplasmic manipulation, but also of imposing incredibly complex material conversion. And it also explains why 'most' Manifesters don't have living dragons or anything even close.
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