Question Questions about the Sealing of the Olympians...

Questions about the Sealing of the Olympians...

Questions about the Sealer of the Olympians:

1. Who were they?

2. If they're going around sealing things, why aren't the Egyptians sealed? Or perhaps they were, and just freed earlier? Perhaps the Sealer was Egyptian themselves?

Question about Unsealing of the Olympians:

Were the Olympians unsealed due to their magic affecting the environment and causing the wardstone cracking earthquake / rockfall?7

Or was that just a 'natural' (What does 'natural' even mean?) earthquake / rockfall?

Malady wrote: Questions about the Sealer of the Olympians:

1. Who were they?

Percy Jackson

2. If they're going around sealing things, why aren't the Egyptians sealed? Or perhaps they were, and just freed earlier? Perhaps the Sealer was Egyptian themselves?

The Egyptian Gods didn't spend 1000 years arguing over whether they should be called Zeus or Jupiter (or any other name combinations).

Kristin Darken wrote: Not really the sort of question you should expect an answer to.

People have been giving you kinda random jokey answers to these questions, but seriously... we're not going to reveal backstory for major plot elements. Those stories may not be actively being told right now, but giving the answers up can and will screw up any possibility of telling those stories in the future. And if the author for those stories hasn't been around for years, there's a good possibility that none of the people answering questions even knows the specific answer and can only give you vague details that are directly related to the stories that were planned... ie the key information that the story is designed to reveal.

*nods*

I can even use the jokey answers for steps towards more applicable answers, such as:

Valentine wrote:

Malady wrote: Questions about the Sealer of the Olympians:

1. Who were they?

Percy Jackson

First, that's a brilliant jokey answer, especially since I've read the whole series!

Now, to make that into a more applicable answer...

Hmm... Tricky... Gotta twist this... How about: "That Foreign Sealer was just some random demigod, like all the other random demigods in Ancient Greece, had the Gods messing around with his life. But, he was born to a foreign mother, and after his favorite/only pacifist sister gets massacred by/turned into (a) Maenad(s) and other Greek stuff kills his family, he got fed up by all of it and went to his mother's home country, learned all their magic, and decided to kill/seal Greek Mythology."

Who ever said that the Sealer had to be someone famous like Solomon or Moses?

Valentine wrote:

2. If they're going around sealing things, why aren't the Egyptians sealed? Or perhaps they were, and just freed earlier? Perhaps the Sealer was Egyptian themselves?

The Egyptian Gods didn't spend 1000 years arguing over whether they should be called Zeus or Jupiter (or any other name combinations).

Nice!

Converting to more applicable answer, not hard at all: "Greek Mythology was full of Jerks, and Egyptian Mythology wasn't, so Sealer went and took out the Greeks'."

More seriously, the New Olympians have referred to whoever sealed them as "The Foreigner." There has been some small debate about who they mean. One possible interpretation is that it was the Judeo-Christian-Muslim God, who would be ascending in relevance at the time when the Greco-Roman gods were losing the same, and (coming from Palestine) would be seen as a "foreigner" by the Greco-Roman gods.

As for the Egyptian gods... who said they weren't? We only know of a single Egyptian deity who is still around, Bast; and the Mythos wiki page suggests that she is not quite the same as the other gods, but rather that she is an Elder God, a wholly 'nother category.

Another possibility is that maybe Bast never lost her power base, because she derives her power from cats, not people. So when Ra, Isis, Osiris and the rest of the gang were sealed, she managed to stay out.

Sir Lee wrote: More seriously, the New Olympians have referred to whoever sealed them as "The Foreigner." There has been some small debate about who they mean. One possible interpretation is that it was the Judeo-Christian-Muslim God, who would be ascending in relevance at the time when the Greco-Roman gods were losing the same, and (coming from Palestine) would be seen as a "foreigner" by the Greco-Roman gods.

As for the Egyptian gods... who said they weren't? We only know of a single Egyptian deity who is still around, Bast; and the Mythos wiki page suggests that she is not quite the same as the other gods, but rather that she is an Elder God, a wholly 'nother category.

Another possibility is that maybe Bast never lost her power base, because she derives her power from cats, not people. So when Ra, Isis, Osiris and the rest of the gang were sealed, she managed to stay out.

Interesting! ... But how would you explain Sobek?

Oh yeah, Sobek. Forgot about him. But... notice that he wasn't exactly a free agent in his only appearance. He is known to be subject to commands from humans (The Pharaoh in ancient times, Lady Jettatura and the Silver Ghost recently). So... maybe he isn't that much of a god to begin with -- more like a high-level spirit -- and the Foreigner didn't bother with him.

By the way, Isis had a thriving cult in Imperial Rome. She might have ended up locked with the Greco-Roman gods, instead of with the Egyptian gods. Not that it makes much difference, narratively...

Blame it on the Catholic Church.

The Apostles went everywhere, and when Constintine converted to Christianity the rest of the Roman Empire followed soon after. Even with the collapse of the Roman Empire, Italy and Greece stayed Christian.

Just chalk it up to a huge Christian conspiracy that is only now weakening as the numbers of people attending Christian services decreases, weakening the amount of 'devotional power' available to the Church to keep them confined.

Gives you a believable narrative for what happened, and also a 'big bad' that stayed through the ages to maintain the seal.

Also you can have the Greek Gods working through the seal to try and bring down the Church, being instrumental in things like Mohamad and the Muslims (think about it, they worship the same God, splitting them off would greatly reduce the power of the Church), then the Great Schism and the Reformations, finally leading to the incredibly fractured Christian Churches we have today and the escape from the Seal

Crap, that is cool.
Phoenix, I may steal that idea.

@Phoenix - Wow! Nice! Totally agree with Dom, except that I can't use that, but hopefully Dom will!

... Has that ever been used anywhere? Church being the seal for Great Evils, and the weakening of the Church means Bad Things TM? It feels like it should have been done at least once or twice, perhaps in some Christian Fiction that blames people for not being religious enough or something,

Okay, I can't use that for Whateley Fics, but if I need some great evil to be released in our Modern Age, that is my go-to explanation!

I won't use it for Whateley, and I have an idea on how to keep it from bing Christian fiction, but I really want to use that idea.

Feel free to use this, 'Great Conspiracys' for the Catholic Church are nothing new. Pretty much ever since the Western Roman Empire came under the control of the Pope there have been conspiracies about what the Catholics do

(Oh, and if you want a great laugh, look at the smear campaign the Protestant Kings and Queens unleashed on the Catholic Church when they fought it for the hearts and minds of their subjects).

I mean if you really want togo Big Bad with the Church you can have it that as the Christian Apostles move into a region to "preach", they seal the local Gods so that they can no longer respond to the Prayers of their followers, both denying the followers of the power of their gods, and making the followers afraid and willing to seek new, more powerful, beings to protect them, and hey! Look at this! Preachers preaching the new ultimate God, one who allows them to cure the sick, and vanquish their enemies!

Just a suggestion.

Something you might find amusing in your search for The Foreigner: it's one of the titles of a Gnostic work from Nag Hammadi, more usually titled Allogenes, The Stranger. At least one Gnostic scholar thinks it's a reference to Jesus.

www.earlychristianwritings.com/allogenes.html

It's also the name of a Spider-Man antagonist/villain/mercenary , and of a hard rock band , and a bunch of other things .

Phoenix Spiritus wrote: I mean if you really want togo Big Bad with the Church you can have it that as the Christian Apostles move into a region to "preach", they seal the local Gods so that they can no longer respond to the Prayers of their followers, both denying the followers of the power of their gods, and making the followers afraid and willing to seek new, more powerful, beings to protect them, and hey! Look at this! Preachers preaching the new ultimate God, one who allows them to cure the sick, and vanquish their enemies!

Just a suggestion.

It's also worth noting that the Church moved it's holy days to the same days of various Pagan holy days. Now it might just be that they wanted to get the two different religions similar in the minds of the peasants, but a more interesting idea Whateley style would be to hijack the essence that those holy days produce for the other religions and channel it towards the Church. Winning a religious war by siege tactics.

With rise in Pagan religions might explain why there is a rise in Avatars. Hmm.

Were the Olympians unsealed due to their magic affecting the environment and causing the wardstone cracking earthquake / rockfall?7

Or was that just a 'natural' (What does 'natural' even mean?) earthquake / rockfall?

I think that the minor earthquake was more like the consequence of the Olympians forcing the seal, not the cause. Note that they didn't manage to crack the wardstone, only to move it a little, weakening the seal -- enough for the twelve more powerful of them to escape, but not for the others.

And, now I remembered a question I forgot to ask:

Is/was the Wardstone under a PerceptionFilter so people wouldn't mess with it? Or was it just hidden well enough, or unworthy of notice enough that there was no one around it for ~2000 years that the Olympians could mess with to free them?

But the other theory is more fun.


Also explains Sobek kinda, with the ritual reaching through the weakening seals and dragging part of him out.


Also with the sundering, and I think it was Kodiak conspiricy but it might have been Sappho, we learned that time and history are more wibbly wobbly than us poor norms realize.

What else was sealed with the Olympians? We know that the Oracle/Spirit of Delphi wasn't, but what else is inside/outside?

Obviously, this might be really spoilery 'cause it reveals possible characters...

Just a general description would be fine, like "The Oracle wasn't sealed because she was already trapped in her Volcano", or "was too weak", or something.