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Question Reckon Exemplar Level from OlderThanTheyLook-ness?

9 years 2 months ago - 9 years 2 months ago #1 by Malady
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    • Reckon Exemplar Level from OlderThanTheyLook-ness?

    Given that:

    Sir Lee wrote: Ex-induced regen: ... SLOWS the aging, but it doesn't STOP it.

    Mimeo was born sometime in the Fifties. He's about fifty as of Gen1, but he looks younger than that, probably something in his thirties. When he gets a high Regen trait, he rejuves some years temporarily.


    Although, I should find a canon source for what older high-level EX-es look like...

    But, given this quote from the Lilith article:

    [Lilith] is an Exemplar, with an occasional flash of precog. Her Exemplar power keeps her looking like a woman in her twenties, despite her being over forty. She takes advantage of her looks too, having an endless string of lovers.


    Could that mean that Lilith is EX-6+? Possibly an EX-7?
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    9 years 2 months ago #2 by Sir Lee
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    • You may interpret that entry as meaning "has kept so far", not a guarantee that she will stay at that apparent age forever. And "in her twenties" goes all the way from twenty to twenty-nine.

    My take is that after she hit, say, 18, she started aging at less than half the normal rate. Let's say that she's aging at 1/3 the normal rate. So, if she is 42, in 24 years she aged... about 8 years? Which would put her as looking 26. All consistent with that entry.
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    9 years 2 months ago - 9 years 2 months ago #3 by Malady
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    • Sir Lee wrote: You may interpret that entry as meaning "has kept so far", not a guarantee that she will stay at that apparent age forever. And "in her twenties" goes all the way from twenty to twenty-nine.

    My take is that after she hit, say, 18, she started aging at less than half the normal rate. Let's say that she's aging at 1/3 the normal rate. So, if she is 42, in 24 years she aged... about 8 years? Which would put her as looking 26. All consistent with that entry.


    Well, yes... ... Umm, if the aging rate of Exemplars, post-puberty, correlates highly to Exemplar levels, as I'm assuming, (or trying to prove?)...

    Then as Mimeo is an EX-6 and, if you're right, that he looks like he's in his thirties, as a 55-year-old, as he was born in October of 1952 ...

    Then EX-6-es have a aging rate of about third-, or half-baseline as 55-18 = 37 and either 37/3 ~= 12, and 18+12 = 30, or 37/2 = 18.5 and 18+18.5 = 36.5.

    So, if Lilith, has about the same rate, under my hypothesis, she'd also be an EX-6 or so.
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    • The problem with such practices is that they fail to take into account that there are multiple factors involved in anti-aging.

    1. Regeneration - A part of aging is the body's ongoing process of restoring itself to a healthy condition. Dead cells and pushed out of the system, new cells grow in the place of the old ones. As time passes, inaccuracies accumulate, the body accommodates for variation due to past injury or illness, or even just stresses/strains from things like gravity and use. The wrinkles on our face that provide a LOT of age indication are simply the impact of stretching the skin in certain patterns over the years and gravity pulling everything downward. Regen may or may not consider this something that has to be repaired. A reactive regen that repairs injury or illness may not have any impact at all on aging. One that constantly works to keep the body at some 'pristine' condition, on the other hand, will. A proactive (or adaptive) regen may or may not, depending on whether it considers aging an advantage or not.

    2. Exemplar - The BIT is another factor. Some BITs have a full profile that imply a certain appearance throughout the lifetime of the mutant. Some BIT's are 'locked' in the sense that the target appearance never changes. Some BIT's are dynamic, influenced by a variety of things from social conscious to individual psychology to whatever concepts/ideas were involved in forming the physical appearance in the first place.

    So, any combination of type of regen, type of BIT, type of Exemplar healing... could impact whether or not a given mutant ages linearly, at all, or in bizarre ways. You know... exactly as you might want it to work if you wanted the freedom of being able to tell all sorts of different stories.
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    • Also, we have to ALWAYS keep in mind that Whateley is a Superhero Shared Universe, NOT a Role-Playing Game.

    In an RPG things like power ratings obey to fairly well-defined rules, planned to give some sort of "balance" to gameplay.
    In Whateley, power ratings are just an in-universe tentative estimate of power level, subject to lots of individual variation. Powers don't work quite the same for everybody. The EX rating is a single number derived from several different measurements, some of which are very imprecise by their nature -- physical strength, skin toughness, stamina, recovery from injuries (which may involve some regeneration), mental acuity, memory... if you take two Ex-4, one may rate considerably higher than another in any of these individual measurements.

    Also, several of those sub-ratings are hard to measure because they don't have the "before MGC activation" baseline to compare, so any compensation is a guesstimate. A well-known case is Ayla, who tests one level higher than he "should" in the mental aspects due to his originally high IQ and advanced mental training.
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    • Not to mention that people are just different. Some people look old for their age, and some people look young for their age. Then there are all the things an individual can do to alter their perceived age, such as changing their expression, posture, and attitude, altering their hairstyle and clothing choices, wearing makeup, etc.
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    • True dat. A while ago my brother (who was about 50 back then) brought two friends to visit. They were all classmates in high school, that is, there are at most 2 years of age difference in the group.

    One of them looks WAY younger than my brother (which is saying something, since my family tends to look younger than our age): lots of hair with hardly any white, clear skin, bright eyes, looked ready to hit the runway for a fashion show. (No, he's not a model, he's a dentist. And so is his wife, who is also pushing 50 and looks 30. Sometimes I wonder if they got a deal from the same devil responsible for the Rolling Stones' longevity...)

    His other friend looked like an old man: mostly bald, what little hair he has is grey, skin like old leather, lots of wrinkles. They joked that he looks like the dentist guy's father... and yet, as I mentioned, they are nearly the same age.
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    • Well we know that Carson is a "mid level exemplar" and ages at.1/3 the baseline rate....
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    • mhalpern wrote: Well we know that Carson is a "mid level exemplar" and ages at.1/3 the baseline rate....


    I was gonna use her as an example, but the Wiki says that's due to Astarte Force or Champion Force or something.
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    • Though it does bring up the point where Avatars might also have extended lifespans (we know quite a few of them do) not just exemplars.
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