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9 years 5 months ago #1 by darladonna

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I've not seen anything here or in Canon yet that speaks of the Hunt for Sara other than the Hippolyta going to security, the lost report turning up and some security officers doing a poor job of manually searching the underground rooms and not finding the Mythos infused summing circle on that folded sheet of paper she's trapped on (from the end of The Riddle of-Sappho Canto VI .

For the characters to be true to themselves, I'm thinking a lot must be happening here. Notably:

Jet (who is Sara's bodyguard) must be flipping out. She will never stop searching, never sleeps and since she's a crazy more dangerous Soggoth infused version of Jade with all of Jade's contacts and friends (including Jade herself) she will seek out any help she needs to find Sara
Fey/Nikki - She has shared a blood oath with Sara - forever linking their souls for all eternity. Surely this link can be magically traced between them. Even if that's not enough link then...
Hippolyta (and several others) have Sara's true demon mark - surely both communication, tracing to the portal paper and possibly even remote magical rescue is possible via this kind of link. Jade (as Jinn/Lazuli) used this same kind of link to Tenyo to escape Hekate’s mythos infused shape transfer/demon sacrifice spell
Darren used Mythos infused magic to summon Sara, but he has limited Essence and didn't sacrifice anyone to power his circle. It will expire when it runs out of power. Probably moderately soon.
Hank - after reading To sleep, perchance to dream he will let nothing stop him from finding his "kidnapped" friend Sara. I expect that he'd do anything at this point.
Team Kimba as a whole would not let Sara's disappearance go unresolved. Ayla's resources would be set to find Darren and extract where he hid that paper holding Sara (in The Riddle of-Sappho Canto IV
Gothmog would not stand for his daughter to be long imprisoned in a pocket dimension. His personal capability to transcend normal rules and go where he wills, is impressive. but worse is the contacts he has. For example if he goes to Shub-Niggurath and she uses a offered rescue as leverage to get Sara to accept Her High Priestess position.
Finally - Sara is not without resources on her own. She's not a class X enity and GOO for nothing. Her GOO "self" transcends simple 3 dimensional existence and dreams and reality for her are one and anyone she meets. She should be able to use her GOO magics to leave or at least send messages from a pocket dimension, even if it's created with Mythos infusion.

Did I miss stuff? Probably. What do you think? The only thing I can NOT see happening is that everyone does nothing.

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9 years 5 months ago - 9 years 5 months ago #2 by Dawnfyre

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Jet was introduced and killed off in the same story.

The summoning circle, being mythos based, can block Sara's demon mark and mythos abilities.

once a circle is created like that, it is stable until broken, can only be broken from outside if not flawed, and as per the Cantos line, Sara tried and couldn't find a weakness in it, so it isn't flawed.

There are two hopes besides Ayla's sources tracking Darren down.
1) a lab accident that damages the hard to damage paper
2) the blood link, Darren didn't know about it so couldn't include it in the circle isolation for Sara.

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9 years 5 months ago #3 by Kristin Darken

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You've missed one really critical issue. Until it comes up as evidence in the hearing... almost no one knows she's missing. And that is pretty much where the world timestamp marker is located right now. Mid May. RoS ends with the search by security which is more or less 'starting' on May 13. Penance Factor begins on the 16th. Even by the end of Penance, its only been two weeks since the Summoning and Jamie's murder. And there's been an enormous amount amount of... crazy... packed in between. And while it hasn't been hugely obvious, Sara's team and their separation from TK has now spanned most of a semester. They're still friends, but its not an inner circle thing anymore. Even Chou and her team have grown somewhat apart from TK by this point.

That said, sure... within what they 'can' do, they're going to be looking for Sara. But its not as simple as you make it sound.

Sara is in a summoning circle. Summoning circles are designed to act both as isolation chambers (to keep our worlds laws at bay and create a suitable 'safe place' for the extraplanar being brought to it) and as a containment/holding place (to prevent said extraplanar being from taking offense as being pulled away from its business in the fastest means possible... by the death/disabling of the summoner). Magick/soul bonds/etc don't work across those boundaries. If they did, summoning circles would not be effective (or safe) to use.

Additionally, extraplanar beings are bound by certain 'rules' to engage in fair exchange in summonings. As with the Sorceror's Contract... or an Oath, etc. Gothmog cannot break a fairly performed summoning without breaking much larger rules. Ultimately, Sara WILL get out, because the same things that protect her summoner will eventually swing in her favor and release her. But such things work on a timeframe that is not really human in nature. Immortal beings don't generally concern themselves with a few days or weeks of containment for a summons.

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9 years 5 months ago #4 by darladonna

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I double checked the Epilog of Tennyo Goes To Hell - Chapter 2 and the Wiki, Jet seems fine and should re-enter visibility in the storyline.

As the Whately wiki summarizes, Sara "vomits" Jet back (from the hell of flesh), but Jet doesn't rejoin with Jade. Just one hour has gone by in the "real world" since Sara had eaten Jet. Sara asks the rest of her Pack to bring Team Kimba so they will explain what has happened. They explain that, due to the Kellith's curse, Jet cannot take a male form nor rejoin with Jade until very specific and unlikely conditions are fulfilled. Also, Jet now is recharged not by Jade, but by sex.

Presumably Jet stays with Sara as her bodyguard again and get recharged by sex with Sara's and her pack, albeit not part of the main Kimba story lines.

I'm not sure that Sara's demon mark link can be broken, even by Mythos Magic. Sara calls it "Permanent and unbreakable" in Jade 8 and somewhere else call it "one of the rules of the universe". My understanding from Petra's interaction with Satan that Petra's mark is so permanent that death, her soul goes to Sara instead of Heaven/Hell despite her Knight of the (Catholic) Church status.

9 years 5 months ago #5 by Dreamer

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I believe Kristin wasn't saying the demon mark link was broken, more like being jammed so effectively nothing can get through or temporarily blocked. Those are different than broken as described in the stories, at least from my understanding.

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9 years 5 months ago #6 by Kristin Darken

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A 'lot' of the limitations of a summoning circle or wards/circles in general are like gentleman's honor during time of war.. back when the nobles were all related (even across battlefield lines) and all the officers/leaders of troops were officers... and no one shot the officers. There were rules of engagement... and while you could 'technically' do many things that would win a battle or war, you didn't do them because that was stepping outside what was allowed an honorable leader. And if you did that, then you freed the other side to do all manner of things as well.

Could Sara use her mark to direct a follower right to the circle? Possibly. But doing so would break the rules where-in a well made circle is an 'unbreakable' divide... which would also remove any protection she and her followers get by acting without bounds of that agreement. This stuff is talked about back when they talk about Sorcerers contracts and the Oath of Solomon and such things. The Sara and Merry stories mainly.

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9 years 5 months ago #7 by Dawnfyre

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so my 2 hopes still stand, damage to the paper or the blood link

while a circle is meant as an isolation chamber, the blood link could be used to point out the location of the paper with the circle.

still, far more likely for a workshop accident to damage the workbench and paper.

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9 years 5 months ago #8 by Valentine

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As has been pointed out, on Campus time has only continued on for 7 days. Whateley covers about 3/4 square mile of surface area(someone correct me, roughly a 1 mile diameter?). The Tunnels underneath cover many linear miles of length, along with all of the rooms. Security has limited numbers, and still has all of their regular duties. I would think that once the semester ends, in three weeks or so, and most of the students leave, security will have more time to do a more thorough search. Gothmog will likely be contacted at that point, for the safety of the students. It's possible that he will be able to find the safe, securely hidden near Charge's Cognac. (Elrod over on BC.) It's also possible that Reach will find the safe, next time Charge wants some Cognac.

While Jet doesn't sleep, she also doesn't have Jade's powers. (The curse is simple to break, Jet simply needs to take the form of a bee or wasp, and implant her seed in Jade, then fulfill the rest.)

Team Kimba, and most of the Poesies probably know that she is missing, Hip would be ranting to all the girls at least.

One of the big problems is that they don't even know if Speakeasy hid the circle on campus or took it with him. The safe with the Sara Essence they are sure he hid.

The Essence is the best bet to find Sara, since it has been inside the circle.

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9 years 5 months ago #9 by annachie

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If it's Sara specifically that keeps Jet charged up, the she'll be getting pretty desperate.
and when her charge wears off, ...

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9 years 5 months ago #10 by jmhyp

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Valentine wrote: Gothmog will likely be contacted at that point, for the safety of the students.

I would think school policy is to inform family of missing children within hours of their being reported missing and a quick search turns up nothing. I don't think they would treat Gothmog differently since that threatens the accords. Gothmog should, by now, know Sara is "lost". Whether Gothmog would react immediately in our time scale or immediately in his own time scale remains to be seen.

9 years 5 months ago #11 by Arcanist Lupus

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jmhyp wrote:
Valentine wrote: Gothmog will likely be contacted at that point, for the safety of the students.
I would think school policy is to inform family of missing children within hours of their being reported missing and a quick search turns up nothing. I don't think they would treat Gothmog differently since that threatens the accords. Gothmog should, by now, know Sara is "lost". Whether Gothmog would react immediately in our time scale or immediately in his own time scale remains to be seen.

Maybe, but they may not have a mechanism for reliably contacting Gothy. He doesn't exactly have a street address or a phone number, does he?

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9 years 5 months ago #12 by annachie

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Also, I'm not sure Sara is considered a child.

9 years 5 months ago #13 by Dawnfyre

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yup she is
Micheal was 25, Sara is a teenager

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9 years 5 months ago #14 by jmhyp

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Arcanist Lupus wrote:
jmhyp wrote:
Valentine wrote: Gothmog will likely be contacted at that point, for the safety of the students.
I would think school policy is to inform family of missing children within hours of their being reported missing and a quick search turns up nothing. I don't think they would treat Gothmog differently since that threatens the accords. Gothmog should, by now, know Sara is "lost". Whether Gothmog would react immediately in our time scale or immediately in his own time scale remains to be seen.
Maybe, but they may not have a mechanism for reliably contacting Gothy. He doesn't exactly have a street address or a phone number, does he?

Paige can contact Gothmog. I'd be surprised if she hasn't done so on her own. Fey can to, but I can see her being distracted enough not to have thought to do so.

9 years 5 months ago #15 by darladonna

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Arcanist Lupus wrote:
jmhyp wrote:
Valentine wrote: Gothmog will likely be contacted at that point, for the safety of the students.
I would think school policy is to inform family of missing children within hours of their being reported missing and a quick search turns up nothing. I don't think they would treat Gothmog differently since that threatens the accords. Gothmog should, by now, know Sara is "lost". Whether Gothmog would react immediately in our time scale or immediately in his own time scale remains to be seen.
Maybe, but they may not have a mechanism for reliably contacting Gothy. He doesn't exactly have a street address or a phone number, does he?

In Parents Day The Administration sent a regular postal letter to Gothmog inviting him (it's the loophole that allowed him to attend). So we know he has some mechanism setup to get letters. Perhaps someone in his church receives them the regular way from a mailman and forwards them via an "Offering spell". With supervillians and Immortals on the sponsors list, I'm sure having Gothmog isn't all that unusual in the contact methods they have to use for everybody.

annachie wrote: When Jade goes to hell, everybody goes along for the ride.

I can't wait to see how this plays out. I do hope the Cannon authors don't forget anyone who should be reacting to this.

9 years 5 months ago #16 by Valentine

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Gothmog isn't legally Sara's father, or mother. Her legal guardian is Donna Bell at ARC, and Dr. Otto has a way of summoning/contacting Gothmog.

As was established when Loophole bonded with Grizzly, they inform parents 48 hours after a student is unconscious, probably the same for missing.

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9 years 5 months ago #17 by E M Pisek

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Perhaps its just taking time for the notification to reach herr doctor.

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9 years 5 months ago #18 by E. E. Nalley

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Guys, you're missing the most obvious piece here, why would Gothmog CARE? Sara is a demon, she's immortal, same as Gothmog and the circle will only last so long as the caster who drew it is alive. Being summoned is part and parcel of the whole demon gig, PHENOMENAL COSMIC POWER! Stuck in a circle at the worst times... Or, as Gothmog might say:

"You know, I was stuck in a bottle in this little curio shop in London for ten years. Got my jollies giving the little old ladies that browsed the shop the hots. Got so bad the local intelligentsia called it an epidemic of female hysteria! Ended up inspiring this doctor named Granville to invent the vibrator! No, really, true story! Eh, she's immortal. She'll turn up eventually..."

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9 years 5 months ago #19 by Valentine

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E. E. Nalley wrote: Guys, you're missing the most obvious piece here, why would Gothmog CARE? Sara is a demon, she's immortal, same as Gothmog and the circle will only last so long as the caster who drew it is alive. Being summoned is part and parcel of the whole demon gig, PHENOMENAL COSMIC POWER! Stuck in a circle at the worst times... Or, as Gothmog might say:

"You know, I was stuck in a bottle in this little curio shop in London for ten years. Got my jollies giving the little old ladies that browsed the shop the hots. Got so bad the local intelligentsia called it an epidemic of female hysteria! Ended up inspiring this doctor named Granville to invent the vibrator! No, really, true story! Eh, she's immortal. She'll turn up eventually..."

At least I was unaware that the circle only lasted as long as the caster was alive. My speculation on Gothmog caring was based upon the fact that until freed, Sara was permanently trapped. She'll be out in no time as her Pack, and Cult hunt down and kill Speakeasy.

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9 years 5 months ago #20 by Mister D

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Valentine wrote: At least I was unaware that the circle only lasted as long as the caster was alive. My speculation on Gothmog caring was based upon the fact that until freed, Sara was permanently trapped. She'll be out in no time as her Pack, and Cult hunt down and kill Speakeasy.

This would make a nice longer-running background story, that could be shared between several authors. Because they're based at WA, they wouldn't be able to go looking for him themselves. They'd be relying on the WA Admin reports, WA security reports, MCO reports, favours from the Syndicate, and the church of Kellith, as well as the things that they set off themselves.

All of this is predicated upon them actually knowing that Speakeasy was responsible, and them knowing the methods that Speakeasy used.

This could turn into another long-running story-arc that could be split into background mentions in any of the stories.

Hugh Cook did this really successfully in "The Chronicles of an Age of Darkness", where he wrote the first nine books where major characters from one story were minor characters from another. There was one character that appeared in every book, and you didn't find out what his story was, until the 10th book.

It's a really effective technique when used with subtlety.

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9 years 5 months ago - 9 years 5 months ago #21 by Dreamer

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E. E. Nalley wrote: Guys, you're missing the most obvious piece here, why would Gothmog CARE? Sara is a demon, she's immortal, same as Gothmog and the circle will only last so long as the caster who drew it is alive. Being summoned is part and parcel of the whole demon gig, PHENOMENAL COSMIC POWER! Stuck in a circle at the worst times... Or, as Gothmog might say:

"You know, I was stuck in a bottle in this little curio shop in London for ten years. Got my jollies giving the little old ladies that browsed the shop the hots. Got so bad the local intelligentsia called it an epidemic of female hysteria! Ended up inspiring this doctor named Granville to invent the vibrator! No, really, true story! Eh, she's immortal. She'll turn up eventually..."

In the Whateley Universe I bet that is actually how Granville did come up with his invention. And is it for as long as the person who used the circle to summon and bind a demon is alive or as long as the crafter of the circle is alive? If it is the latter, we are in trouble, no one knows how long Hekate's Master can live. If only someone in-universe knew that he was the crafter of the circle and told Gothmog, that might change things a bit. When he finds out about HM's meddling resulting in his daughter being kept away from him, her friends and lovers, I wouldn't want to be within a thousand miles when he catches up with HM.

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9 years 5 months ago #22 by E. E. Nalley

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You cannot...well, I suppose I should say you should never, ever summon something in a circle you didn't personally make. The circle serves two purposes, first it's your protection against whatever you've summoned, and more importantly it helps align your brain and will around what you're about to do. It's why Mystic Algebra makes the engineers nervous, the answer can be wrong, and that's ok as what was important was you understood how you GOT the number.

Having said that, don't think I'd want to handicap a match between Hekate's Master and Gothmog. That's really too close to call.

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9 years 5 months ago #23 by Dreamer

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E. E. Nalley wrote: You cannot...well, I suppose I should say you should never, ever summon something in a circle you didn't personally make. The circle serves two purposes, first it's your protection against whatever you've summoned, and more importantly it helps align your brain and will around what you're about to do. It's why Mystic Algebra makes the engineers nervous, the answer can be wrong, and that's ok as what was important was you understood how you GOT the number.

Having said that, don't think I'd want to handicap a match between Hekate's Master and Gothmog. That's really too close to call.

But since Speakeasy used a circle made by Hekate's Master, what does that mean for him? I don't mean when Sara gets out, he is already doomed from so many sides it isn't funny. I mean for his mind, since he didn't make the circle himself but used it.

And as for the match between Hekate's Master and Gothmog, I was just saying wouldn't want to be within a thousand miles of if because I think that would be the safe distance if and when those two throw down. Only Regen 7+ would survive the fallout of being too close to that.

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9 years 5 months ago #24 by Dawnfyre

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designing the circle and casting/crafting it are different.

anyone with mage power can cast/craft a circle if they know the design, the lifespan of the circle is tied to them.
the design can be created by anyone with the knowledge of the magic and principles. Not many have the knowledge to bind a GOO, but once it is designed anyone can cast it, even though it is mythos magic and will have a price on their sanity.

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9 years 5 months ago #25 by E M Pisek

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I can just imagine Speaskeasy not wanting anything to befall the one who created it. That is 'if' he knew the outcome if that person died.

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9 years 5 months ago #26 by E. E. Nalley

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The circle Sara is trapped in was physically drawn by Speakeasy, scaling up the design he found in the book HM planted for him. HM designed, Speak physically created.

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9 years 5 months ago - 9 years 5 months ago #27 by E M Pisek

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E. E. Nalley wrote: The circle Sara is trapped in was physically drawn by Speakeasy, scaling up the design he found in the book HM planted for him. HM designed, Speak physically created.

Smacks forehead with silver hammer. "That's correct. The instructions were the ones he found by that scrap of paper, planted by Mr. X"

So does he understand the ramifications if he dies? But then would it matter to him anyways. Obvious answer would be no, but then there would be a lot of people wanting to kill him when found out what he had done. #1 of course would be Sara who does know. And would anyone want to try and stop her.

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9 years 5 months ago #28 by Dreamer

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E. E. Nalley wrote: The circle Sara is trapped in was physically drawn by Speakeasy, scaling up the design he found in the book HM planted for him. HM designed, Speak physically created.

D'oh!

Can't believe I forgot that detail, been reading so much lately it got lost in the deluge. And if I remember correctly not, the design HM planted disappeared [i.e. summoned back by HM] shortly after Speakeasy copied it for his own use so it can't be traced back to HM. Unless my memory is off.

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Mister D wrote: All of this is predicated upon them actually knowing that Speakeasy was responsible, and them knowing the methods that Speakeasy used.

That operates on the assumption that he knows. Speakeasy wasn't a mage. He 'found' this diagram in the library books on summoning because 'someone' set it up for him to find. Even if he tells them what books he was looking in, no one's going to find a summoning spell that works like this... or that has Sara's true name in it.

Nm... looks like the discussion already carried that point.

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9 years 5 months ago #30 by E M Pisek

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To think that he came very close to death and if he had died Sara would have been freed.

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If all it takes for a non-mage to summon and hold a Great Old One (baby or otherwise) trapped in a pocket dimension indefinitely is a non-corrupting, Mythos magic spell found in a book then the threat from them is much less than I thought.

I might add that I'm also shocked that paper is a strong enough medium to hold such a spell and that "folding" it doesn't count as "breaking" the lines of the circle. I would have thought that Human Sacrifice or more was needed to empower it.

I would not be surprised to find out that Jamie's murder and the Orgy of Kayda and Elaine were somehow time-delayed payments for the spell.

All magic has a cost, Mythos magic even more so. A spell that can trap a Class-X Great Old One? I can only imagine the terrible cost that comes due here.
If Darren finds himself turning into a 1/2 fish creature that makes Fubar look tame, I would think that it only begins to pay the price.

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darladonna wrote: If all it takes for a non-mage to summon and hold a Great Old One (baby or otherwise) trapped in a pocket dimension indefinitely is a non-corrupting, Mythos magic spell found in a book then the threat from them is much less than I thought.

who said it is non-corrupting?

darladonna wrote: I might add that I'm also shocked that paper is a strong enough medium to hold such a spell and that "folding" it doesn't count as "breaking" the lines of the circle. I would have thought that Human Sacrifice or more was needed to empower it.

special paper, very hard to damage, and the folding process mentioned Darren/Speakeasy taking care to keep the lines from being broken.

darladonna wrote: I would not be surprised to find out that Jamie's murder and the Orgy of Kayda and Elaine were somehow time-delayed payments for the spell.

All magic has a cost, Mythos magic even more so. A spell that can trap a Class-X Great Old One? I can only imagine the terrible cost that comes due here.
If Darren finds himself turning into a 1/2 fish creature that makes Fubar look tame, I would think that it only begins to pay the price.

and Darren/Speakeasy's insanely intense hatred of Heyoka and Kayda could easily have been caused / aggravated by the mythos magic cost.

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darladonna wrote: If all it takes for a non-mage to summon and hold a Great Old One (baby or otherwise) trapped in a pocket dimension indefinitely is a non-corrupting, Mythos magic spell found in a book then the threat from them is much less than I thought.

I might add that I'm also shocked that paper is a strong enough medium to hold such a spell and that "folding" it doesn't count as "breaking" the lines of the circle. I would have thought that Human Sacrifice or more was needed to empower it.

I would not be surprised to find out that Jamie's murder and the Orgy of Kayda and Elaine were somehow time-delayed payments for the spell.

All magic has a cost, Mythos magic even more so. A spell that can trap a Class-X Great Old One? I can only imagine the terrible cost that comes due here.
If Darren finds himself turning into a 1/2 fish creature that makes Fubar look tame, I would think that it only begins to pay the price.

The spell wasn't "found" it was planted for them to find. Tyvek is used to wrap and weatherproof buildings, it is very tough.

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if someone else knows Sara's summoning name, they should be able to summon her back to Whateley. And seeing as it has been found once, someone should be able to find it again. Though relaly you'd think that a she might have planned ahead and told one of the girls that carries her mark for exactly this eventuality.

9 years 5 months ago #35 by E M Pisek

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Wouldn't that imply Sara trusts the person implicitly given the amount of power that person would have over her?

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9 years 5 months ago #36 by jmhyp

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konzill wrote: if someone else knows Sara's summoning name, they should be able to summon her back to Whateley. And seeing as it has been found once, someone should be able to find it again. Though relaly you'd think that a she might have planned ahead and told one of the girls that carries her mark for exactly this eventuality.

If I were in the summoning business, I would not use as the only thing standing between me and various fates worse than death. Summoning circles must also prevent others from summoning the beasts therein or else those circles are not worth using.

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In one of the Mage: The Ascenscion universe, this was used as a technique in the Penny Dreadful novel.

Penny was trying to combat Bimbo Yaga, a mage who's magical patron was a Demon.

Bimbo Yaga had kidnapped one of Penny's friends, and was going to sacrifice them to her patron.

Before this could happen, Penny summoned the demon and trapped it.

This meant that Bimbo Yaga was prevented from summoning the demon herself.

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9 years 5 months ago #38 by darladonna

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Dresden also used it in Dead Beat. He summoned the Erlking to prevent somebody else from summoning him.

The Dresden novels are widely read by the Canon Cabal and part of its world view are reflected and even mention d in the Whatelyverse. Notably the exception being that the Dresden view on Sidhe is decidedly NOT the Whatelyverse one. Sidhe here can all lie like bad toupees where in Dresden Sidhe always tell the truth (not that it limits their ability to deceive one iota).

I don't think that Resummoning Sara is the solution.

I think it more likely lies in tracing her from the outside or in abilities of beings that can contact her that aren't effected by circles (like GOOs, Satan) .

Also post-cognition can possible retrace the movements of Darren/Speakeasy when he hid it. After all the circle/spell effected only Sara and not him.

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darladonna wrote: Also post-cognition can possible retrace the movements of Darren/Speakeasy when he hid it. After all the circle/spell effected only Sara and not him.

While true, I doubt any post-cog's on staff (are there any) have enough spare tine to go wandering around campus looking for her.

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My Idea was based on the Hollows Novels. In that setting there is no known way to trap a deamon such that it can't be summoned. And the most recent sommmoning always wins. And there are several instances where there the protagonists or the antagonists exploit this fact.

9 years 5 months ago #41 by jmhyp

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konzill wrote: My Idea was based on the Hollows Novels. In that setting there is no known way to trap a deamon such that it can't be summoned. And the most recent sommmoning always wins. And there are several instances where there the protagonists or the antagonists exploit this fact.

That's great in a world where that is assumed. I'm thinking Whateley assumes the opposite. If you have a demon in a summoning circle, that circle is the only thing standing between you and fates worse than death. Who sane enough to summon a demon would be insane enough to do so if the circle wasn't absolute protection against the demon. (Whisper's ability, notwithstanding.)

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It's my understanding that great old ones partially exist outside of 3 dimensional space and to some degree outside of linear time.

With the possible exception of Sara, Every other Great old is so scarey that I couldn't imagine anyone thinking they could safely summon one and get away without incurring a fate worse than death. The last group of people to try it ((with Gothmog, the 2nd most mild of GOOs) had their leader dragged off to hell and the other casters had their souls and bodies switched.

I'm thinking of that one can only summon one aspect of a GOO, leaving some parts behind. I think Sara's "humanity" aspect got summoned and to escape on her own, she may have to, at least temporary, leave it behind.

There is precedence for this, when her head got cut off, the darker Kelleth aspect was separated from her and later destroyed by Gothmog after Sara rejected it.

I'm not sure a humanity-less Kellith aspect would rescue the Sara aspect trapped in that circle though. I'm not thinking such a Kellith running about would be a good thing though and would disrupt the balance and f the Tao.

That said perhaps the Tao would direct Bladedancer to the hidden circle and free the Sara aspect trapped there who would then remerge.

So man ways out of this, The only thing I can't see happening is that she remains there for long.

What Sara would do to Darren only pales to what Gothmog would do. Gothmog has a vindictive streak a mile wide and he doesn't even mind pissing off Satan himself to do it.

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The incident with Sara, they were trying to summon a demon but didn't expect to summon her father. And their leader was knocked into the pit Gothmog came out of when Tennyo went to rescue Jade from being killed by him, he brought it on himself but Gothmog didn't cause it. The other event with the body and souls switching was when the goths messed with Nikki and her magic surged, causing that to happen. You don't mess with something you don't understand, demon, GOO, or otherwise.
And I think daddy Gothmog would take Speakeasy both to punish him and so his daughter wouldn't kill him and get in trouble with the law. But what he would do...I don't want to think about it. that way lies nightmare fuel.

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I'm wondering if Sara told anyone in Kimba, or Hyppi or Gypsy about the artifact that can send message to her daddy.
They could easily let him know then and woe be unto speakeasy.

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9 years 5 months ago #45 by Sir Lee

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Sara is just a baby GOO; she is not even 0.03 millenia old. As such, she is still vulnerable to tactics that would be useless against, say, Gothmog. (Consider how much easier is it to keep a toddler from leaving the house, compared to a teenager...)

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9 years 5 months ago #46 by E M Pisek

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Sir Lee wrote: Sara is just a baby GOO; she is not even 0.03 millenia old. As such, she is still vulnerable to tactics that would be useless against, say, Gothmog. (Consider how much easier is it to keep a toddler from leaving the house, compared to a teenager...)

Sometimes I'd wish that teenager 'would' leave the house. But given the age of Sara she would not even be considered a novice in that way. I would also say that if Darren didn't know what to expect if Sara was to ever get lose, death would be what he would be wishing for.

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Sir Lee wrote: Sara is just a baby GOO; she is not even 0.03 millenia old. As such, she is still vulnerable to tactics that would be useless against, say, Gothmog. (Consider how much easier is it to keep a toddler from leaving the house, compared to a teenager...)

If you look at a lot of the contemporary depictions of the Sidhe in their natural family groupings, because they have a lifespan that's measured in centuries, they tend to be considered as children well up tlil the age of 50, and only approach the "journeyman" stage of their education around 100 years old.

When you consider Sara's potential lifespan, yes, she's still a child. That's why Gothmog arranged for her to stay in the most-well protected nest he could find...

Yes, it's not very safe, but it beats the alternatives. Mage-wars by proxy that would disrupt the Balance, with each side trying to control her/kill her. After all, that's what Englund was trying to do. And that's only from the human side.

Apart from The Necromancer's sdie-stories, we still haven't heard of any of her other family lines. We're also still waiting to find out when her Testing will take place.

Dealing with this situation could be seen as a rite-of-passage for any demonic entity...

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9 years 5 months ago #48 by Dawnfyre

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Her testing did take place, in ARC. several times.
right after the blood poisoning incident she was tested again, in ARC.

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Sorry, i didn't mean the human race's testing of powers.

I meant the GOO's testing of her, and whether she's learned enough to be allowed to live.

You know, when the stars are right and the walls of the universe becomes thin...

Well, thinner than they are in Crouch End...

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There is one major issue if she does manage to free herself so long as Darren's alive and has access to magic, he knows her true name and no court is going to be unbiased enough to recognize killing him as self defense

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Does he? I have to go through the story again, but I do think that the "extra info" that Hekate's Master had planted in the book for Darren's benefit got disposed afterwards. Names of demons traditionally tend to be complicated and hard to pronounce -- witness the Vowelless One Ayla faced over Christmas, and THAT was his use-name, not his true name.

I would bet that if Darren won't be able to remember Sara's True Name accurately.

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It certainly would be nicer if he lost Sara's name, otherwise Sara might be tempted to keep him quiet by stuffing his mouth with 'something'. :evil:

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mhalpern wrote: There is one major issue if she does manage to free herself so long as Darren's alive and has access to magic, he knows her true name and no court is going to be unbiased enough to recognize killing him as self defense

The court issue is solved by simply not leaving any evidence that he is dead.

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Kettlekorn wrote:
mhalpern wrote: There is one major issue if she does manage to free herself so long as Darren's alive and has access to magic, he knows her true name and no court is going to be unbiased enough to recognize killing him as self defense

The court issue is solved by simply not leaving any evidence that he is dead.

while she is bound to be hungry, there is the issue of cameras all around in modern society.

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The way I see it is that her father should now be aware of her disappearance.

And he will try to find her. If he can't, he'll turn to his father, Shub-Niggurath, for aid. And if that doesn't work, then Shub-Niggurath can turn to his father, Azathoth.

Now Azathoth, being the "monstrous nuclear chaos beyond angled space", lives outside of this universe and is capable of entering any universe or dimension. So as a last resort, Sara's great-grandfather can find her pocket universe... reach in and take her out.

She'd probably owe something for all that. But that'd make for a story right there.

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Another tack is that with the outer gods active in the search, it would be highly advisable for the one who knows where she is... to speak up. Otherwise, he's left to *THEIR* tender mercies.

I'm sure that if the guy learned about that... and had them pay a visit, that he'd volunteer the information. Or they would just pluck it out of his still quivering brain as they ate it.

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gogogodzilla wrote: The way I see it is that her father should now be aware of her disappearance.

From page two of this thread:

E. E. Nalley wrote: Guys, you're missing the most obvious piece here, why would Gothmog CARE? Sara is a demon, she's immortal, same as Gothmog and the circle will only last so long as the caster who drew it is alive. Being summoned is part and parcel of the whole demon gig, PHENOMENAL COSMIC POWER! Stuck in a circle at the worst times... Or, as Gothmog might say:

"You know, I was stuck in a bottle in this little curio shop in London for ten years. Got my jollies giving the little old ladies that browsed the shop the hots. Got so bad the local intelligentsia called it an epidemic of female hysteria! Ended up inspiring this doctor named Granville to invent the vibrator! No, really, true story! Eh, she's immortal. She'll turn up eventually..."

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9 years 2 months ago #58 by Kristin Darken

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gogogodzilla wrote: The way I see it is that her father should now be aware of her disappearance.

And he will try to find her. If he can't, he'll turn to his father, Shub-Niggurath, for aid.

I think its cute how you assume that such beings will function like caring human parents. Great Old Ones and Outer Gods, Lifestyle channel edition. Or is it the Nickelodeon Lovecraft hour?

The way I see it, Gothmag becomes aware of Sara's absence the exact moment a canon author chooses for him to become aware of it. That may already be in the past based on the current point of the "It is Now" pointer that tracks where we are in the WU timeline. It may not be. As a reader, you have to wait until an author chooses to show that event to you. We don't show you everything Hekate's Master does either. Or Dr. Dad. Or even Mrs Carson. That doesn't mean there are no world critical plot events involving those individuals happening... it simply means we haven't shown them to you yet. We might get around to it. We might not. Some things will happen that never get screen time. Some things that DO get screen time will have no impact on the 'big picture' except that they got written about.

Assuming Gothmag does learn of Sara's absence, he then goes about dealing with it in exactly the way that that author chooses to tell the story. If you're lucky. If that story gets told. It might not, because we don't necessarily want to tell a story that takes place in the 7th dimension and involves the mechanizations of Gothmag's old drinking buddies as a means of bypassing the rules imposed on the physical plane to protect it from dimensional travelers, back when Solomon was recruited by the djinn in an attempt to repair some of the greater holes in the timeline.

And, as indicated in the site rules that it seems a lot of people haven't gotten around to reading... you should consider a different perspective and means of entering into conversations with the community. Stepping in here and treating ANYone like they are your bitch isn't acceptable. Some people have expectations from the authors that make me wonder if they've read the article about George R.R. Martin not being their bitch... and then considered that every argument in that is even MORE valid for the WU authors... because none of us are getting paid royalties for millions of books sold... or HBO series deals. Or merchandising. Etc.

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I, and this is my opinion, imagine that Gothmog would be more concerned if Speakeasy had taken Sara with him. He might if he was in a good and helpful mood, make sure that those affected had no lingering aftereffects. I would think it likely that he would make some effort to find Speakeasy, to punish those that think they could use his daughter for their own purposes.

But until Dr. Bender returns, or one of the Canon Authors decides that Sara would be the perfect antagonist in a story she's likely on the bus for a good long while. Perhaps one of the Gen 2 characters will save her (I really doubt this without Dr. Bender's permission).

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George R.R. Martin not being their bitch... and then considered that every argument in that is even MORE valid for the WU authors... because none of us are getting paid royalties for millions of books sold... or HBO series deals. Or merchandising. Etc.

Or getting off on the pathological need to kill characters.

Sara will be found either when her author decides to write about her being found, or another WU author decides that they really need her back for some reason and that no-one else will do.

Still, we can theorize about rats nibbling away at the paper she is bound by, thus ironically setting her free

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annachie wrote:
Still, we can theorize about rats nibbling away at the paper she is bound by, thus ironically setting her free

Since the desk that contains her confining circle, is located in one of the main devisor labs, it wouldn't take much of a lab accident to set her free...

How strong are the desks?

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It would be an "interesting" side-effect of a devisor story-line.

"Containment breach in Bio-lab one!"

Especially if she came out in a fighting mood, using her shoggoth form...

(Side question: What was Jet's reaction to Sarah's imprisonment?)

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9 years 2 months ago #63 by mhalpern

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Sara's family is only family in the biological sense, if anything she's the black sheep (or is that white sheep) of the family, if the Necromancer is any indication.

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Have you read her stories?

From 'A Simple Game':

Gothmog reached out a slender tentacle and placed it on Sara’s brow. There was a slight burning sensation, until the tentacle popped inside her skull. A burst of memory flooded her being, burning fire lit up her nerves and in a moment, it was gone. Her father pulled his tentacle away, leaving a black rune behind on her forehead. Sara’s jaw opened in wonder as her true name resounded through every fiber of her being. Her father smiled as he slid back into the abyss, the rift collapsing behind him. “SEE YOU LATER, MY LITTLE PRINCESS SARA!”

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From the same story:

Bloodworm slammed into the ground with enough force to break every major bone in his body and smear his internal organs across five square miles of earth. But this wasn’t Earth and he wasn’t that lucky. The springy lichen that sprawled across the Hell that he found himself in saved his life yet also entangled his limbs, making it impossible for him to gain purchase enough to move. Cyclopean tentacles waved in the breeze over his head like trees. The sky was fiery red. Somewhere in the distance sounded an incessant piping noise. And it was coming closer.

Bloodworm screamed as a gigantic toad with tentacles for legs ‘hopped’ into his sight. It played its idiotic tune on a notched implement that looked like a straw. A tall man with skin the color of true ebony, not the flesh tone of human race but as the precious stone, stood upon its back. To the impotent demagogue’s horror, the man grew to enormous proportions, kneeling in order to address him.

“Good evening, Nyarlathotep,” He said with scorn, “We share a name in common you and I. I am here to extract my payment. Servitor? Hand me the straw!”

Bloodworm screamed for the rest of eternity.

I don't know about you, but that sounds like Gothmog really does care about his daughter. Furthermore, it also looks like Nyarlathotep has a very human concern about someone else using his name.

What reason do you have for your claims?

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Gogogodzilla... Don't make me mute you for being argumentative. You've been answered by two canon authors and a number of veteran readers.

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gogogodzilla wrote: I don't know about you, but that sounds like Gothmog really does care about his daughter. Furthermore, it also looks like Nyarlathotep has a very human concern about someone else using his name.

What reason do you have for your claims?

Okay, I agree on your points that you're back up with evidence...

But, please, could you try and be less confrontational, and more argumentative? 'Argumentative' to mean, 'Like in a formal debate'... ... You're not making fallacies (I think...), but being so confrontational is arguably worse!

gogogodzilla wrote: "I don't know about you, but..."

"What reason do you have for your claims?"

...

Umm, Kristin's a mod! And handles tons of site stuff, including story review (I think...)! I'm quite sure she's, (he's?) one of the foremost authorities on the Whateley-Verse, only second to a Canon Cabalist (TINCC) like Valentine and elrodW, or a Wiki Maintainer, like Sir Lee!

...

And I just got ninja'd... Huh.

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She is a cabal writer.
And Valentine isn't.
Otherwise not bad.

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Domoviye wrote: She is a cabal writer.
And Valentine isn't.
Otherwise not bad.

Ah. Yes. Kristin wrote the Fling series!

... Now where was it that Valentine said something like "I'm highly knowledgeable of canon from being ???, and most everyone I've met forgets that." ... Where was it... *Going through Valentine's posts...*

... Or was that Kristin? *Facewipe* ... Gonna give up post searching...

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I think E.E. and Kristin have already explained very well that GOOs have a different perspective on things like that, but...
EVEN if we postulate that Gothmog would notice Sara's absence before a lot of time (from our mortal perspective) has passed...
EVEN if we postulate that Gothmog will TRY to find her...
well, there's no evidence that he would be ABLE to find her in a reasonable timeframe. In fact, there's some evidence that he WOULDN'T.
From "A Simple Game" (Sara's first story) we know that Gothmog claimed to having been looking for Sara for 25 years... and even so, he only found her BY CHANCE.
So Sherlock Holmes he ain't.

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Well, it's hard for him to stay focused, what with all these pesky humans distracting him with their sexy ways.

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Sir Lee wrote: I think E.E. and Kristin have already explained very well that GOOs have a different perspective on things like that, but...
EVEN if we postulate that Gothmog would notice Sara's absence before a lot of time (from our mortal perspective) has passed...
EVEN if we postulate that Gothmog will TRY to find her...
well, there's no evidence that he would be ABLE to find her in a reasonable timeframe. In fact, there's some evidence that he WOULDN'T.
From "A Simple Game" (Sara's first story) we know that Gothmog claimed to having been looking for Sara for 25 years... and even so, he only found her BY CHANCE.
So Sherlock Holmes he ain't.

Admittedly he was looking for his DAUGHTER, not his SON.

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Valentine wrote:
Sir Lee wrote: I think E.E. and Kristin have already explained very well that GOOs have a different perspective on things like that, but...
EVEN if we postulate that Gothmog would notice Sara's absence before a lot of time (from our mortal perspective) has passed...
EVEN if we postulate that Gothmog will TRY to find her...
well, there's no evidence that he would be ABLE to find her in a reasonable timeframe. In fact, there's some evidence that he WOULDN'T.
From "A Simple Game" (Sara's first story) we know that Gothmog claimed to having been looking for Sara for 25 years... and even so, he only found her BY CHANCE.
So Sherlock Holmes he ain't.

Admittedly he was looking for his DAUGHTER, not his SON.

then add on top the 'mark' of Gothmog --a connection that even heaven and hell can not stop. he gave her.

example Sara got hurt and Donna near collapsed from the pain of that mark. among others---other humans?

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I'm beginning to wonder if the canon cabal (that doesn't exist) is (regretting is too strong a word, so) reconsidering whether putting Sara on the bus was worth it. The status quo before she was locked up was the occasional, ill-informed "Are there going to be anymore Sara stories?" Now there's rampant speculation, ironically equally ill-informed, about how to get Sara "back". And I'm sure both conditions are annoying.

So, please just drop the Sara speculation. It accomplishes little.

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jmhyp wrote: I'm beginning to wonder if the canon cabal (that doesn't exist) is (regretting is too strong a word, so) reconsidering whether putting Sara on the bus was worth it.

Answer - NOPE

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elrodw wrote:
jmhyp wrote: I'm beginning to wonder if the canon cabal (that doesn't exist) is (regretting is too strong a word, so) reconsidering whether putting Sara on the bus was worth it.

Answer - NOPE

Fair enough (with or without the smiley)

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Sir Lee wrote: Does he? I have to go through the story again, but I do think that the "extra info" that Hekate's Master had planted in the book for Darren's benefit got disposed afterwards. Names of demons traditionally tend to be complicated and hard to pronounce -- witness the Vowelless One Ayla faced over Christmas, and THAT was his use-name, not his true name.

I would bet that if Darren won't be able to remember Sara's True Name accurately.

Remember many mutants have perfect- near perfect memory, so yeah memory might not be an issue. on an aside- I do wonder what would happen is Tennyo gave it the Killbot treatment...

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jmhyp wrote: I'm beginning to wonder if the canon cabal (that doesn't exist) is (regretting is too strong a word, so) reconsidering whether putting Sara on the bus was worth it. The status quo before she was locked up was the occasional, ill-informed "Are there going to be anymore Sara stories?" Now there's rampant speculation, ironically equally ill-informed, about how to get Sara "back". And I'm sure both conditions are annoying.

So, please just drop the Sara speculation. It accomplishes little.

Wouldn't the Canon Cabal be planning to have Sara released "When the stars are right..."?

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9 years 2 months ago #78 by Phoenix Spiritus

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jmhyp wrote:
elrodw wrote:
jmhyp wrote: I'm beginning to wonder if the canon cabal (that doesn't exist) is (regretting is too strong a word, so) reconsidering whether putting Sara on the bus was worth it.

Answer - NOPE

Fair enough (with or without the smiley)

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9 years 2 months ago #79 by jmhyp

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Mister D wrote: Wouldn't the Canon Cabal be planning to have Sara released "When the stars are right..."?

The stars referred to are a) Dr. Bender returns full of cool Sara stories to tell, or b) another canon author requires Sara for some strange reason and the rest of the (not a) cabal agrees it is worth retrieving her from the bus for that story.

Both are unlikely.

9 years 1 month ago #80 by mittfh

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Dr. Bender, 3rd Feb wrote: 2016 is my fresh start. A chance to get things done. A chance to change. Here's some of the things you can expect to see in my gallery soon:-

- Writing, at the very least I have one more Sara story in me...

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Whether that story is set prior to May 2007 or after remains to be seen...

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9 years 1 month ago #81 by Cryptic

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What if Zulu Hour/Day is when Sara's released?

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9 years 1 month ago #82 by marie7342231

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Haha it would make a pretty interesting twist if a fall 2016 freshman devisor happens upon the hidden envelope and frees her. After being in there for 9+ years, I would love to see what she would do and how she would reinstate herself into the Whateley student body.

9 years 1 month ago #83 by lighttech

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marie7342231 wrote: Haha it would make a pretty interesting twist if a fall 2016 freshman devisor happens upon the hidden envelope and frees her. After being in there for 9+ years, I would love to see what she would do and how she would reinstate herself into the Whateley student body.

It would matter on how many student "bodies" she ate!

remember after 9 years in that summing circle she is going to be VERY! VERY! hungry!

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9 years 1 month ago #84 by mittfh

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Mercifully, Carson happens to know the current whereabouts of Josie Gillman and/or Ecila Mason, who take her to another dimension where she can snack to her heart's content...

...or in conversation with ARC, they hit upon a novel approach to permanently dealing with some of the residents of Black Zone...

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mittfh wrote: ...or in conversation with ARC, they hit upon a novel approach to permanently dealing with some of the residents of Black Zone...

Even half-starved, Sara would not want to consume some of those residents. Some insanity is even too great for a baby-GOO to handle.

9 years 1 month ago #86 by Arcanist Lupus

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Besides. would Sara be hungry, or would she be hungry? Will the newspapers be reporting on a school massacre, or a school orgy?

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9 years 1 month ago - 9 years 1 month ago #87 by Malady

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Arcanist Lupus wrote: Besides. would Sara be hungry, or would she be hungry? Will the newspapers be reporting on a school massacre, or a school orgy?

Why the mutual exclusivity? ~~Orgy, then Massacre'd be my bet.~~

Nvm. On second thought that doesn't make sense, but I'm still putting the first point out there.

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9 years 1 month ago #88 by mhalpern

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Well it's important to remember that while Sara has no shortage of enemies, she also has quite a few friends, and sealing a GOO away, even a baby GOO is an act of hubris, more than likely, there will be a resulting mistake and the circle will be damaged. The question will be if she will wait to meet her captor's associates before freeing herself

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9 years 1 month ago #89 by Boris Knokitov

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Coming into this late and I realize the story will only be written if one of the canon authors gets interested. If I were writing this story the main characters would be TNT and the Furies. Nitro would be looking for Sarah in the hopes that she would help the girls by making them prettier in return for their assistance in hunting down the person who imprisoned Sarah/Kellith and experimented on TNT and Tisiphone with Sarah's essence.

TNT would, using a magical finder spell or charm, track down the Mythos circle, strike the deal with Sarah and then with Paige, Hippolyta and crew free Sarah. Once freed, much chaos ensues-orgies etc. Finally, Sarah makes good on improving the Furies appearance with one slight catch, as her hunters they have a very sinister battleform

9 years 1 month ago #90 by elrodw

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Boris Knokitov wrote: Coming into this late and I realize the story will only be written if one of the canon authors gets interested. If I were writing this story the main characters would be TNT and the Furies. Nitro would be looking for Sarah in the hopes that she would help the girls by making them prettier in return for their assistance in hunting down the person who imprisoned Sarah/Kellith and experimented on TNT and Tisiphone with Sarah's essence.

TNT would, using a magical finder spell or charm, track down the Mythos circle, strike the deal with Sarah and then with Paige, Hippolyta and crew free Sarah. Once freed, much chaos ensues-orgies etc. Finally, Sarah makes good on improving the Furies appearance with one slight catch, as her hunters they have a very sinister battleform

I like your ideas here. If Sara was MY character, I'd consider it.

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9 years 1 month ago - 9 years 1 month ago #91 by mhalpern

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elrodw wrote:
Boris Knokitov wrote: Coming into this late and I realize the story will only be written if one of the canon authors gets interested. If I were writing this story the main characters would be TNT and the Furies. Nitro would be looking for Sarah in the hopes that she would help the girls by making them prettier in return for their assistance in hunting down the person who imprisoned Sarah/Kellith and experimented on TNT and Tisiphone with Sarah's essence.

TNT would, using a magical finder spell or charm, track down the Mythos circle, strike the deal with Sarah and then with Paige, Hippolyta and crew free Sarah. Once freed, much chaos ensues-orgies etc. Finally, Sarah makes good on improving the Furies appearance with one slight catch, as her hunters they have a very sinister battleform

I like your ideas here. If Sara was MY character, I'd consider it.

You'd be that tame? I'm shocked!

Edit Elrod isn't you being tame a sign of the apocalypse or something?

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9 years 1 month ago #92 by E. E. Nalley

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He didn't say that's what he would do, just that he liked the idea.

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9 years 1 month ago #93 by Domoviye

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Yep, consider it, make it ten times wilder/darker, and then start writing where upon it gets even worse. And it would be GLORIOUS!

9 years 1 month ago - 9 years 1 month ago #94 by Phoenix Spiritus

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Domoviye wrote: Yep, consider it, make it ten times wilder/darker, and then start writing where upon it gets even worse. And it would be GLORIOUS!

Domoviye, you are a sick, sick individual!

You should be celebrating, cherishing, nurturing Elrod as he makes these small, tiny, hesitant steps towards empathy and compassion with his charges. Towards allowing them a happy, rewarding existence without pain, without anguish, without hardships.

I mean, think of the characters, think of the characters! (and the children, characters are children too).

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9 years 1 month ago #95 by mhalpern

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Phoenix Spiritus wrote:
Domoviye wrote: Yep, consider it, make it ten times wilder/darker, and then start writing where upon it gets even worse. And it would be GLORIOUS!

Domoviye, you are a sick, sick individual!

You should be celebrating, cherishing, nurturing Elrod as he makes these small, tiny, hesitant steps towards empathy and compassion with his charges. Towards allowing them a happy, rewarding existence without pain, without anguish, without hardships.

I mean, think of the characters, think of the characters! (and the children, characters are children too).

But we read Elrod for the dark stuff, why would we want him to stop? Bright and cheery stagnates quickly, besides, Sara IS a creature of lust, she could confuse the HECK out of Danny....

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9 years 1 month ago - 9 years 1 month ago #96 by Domoviye

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Phoenix Spiritus wrote:
Domoviye wrote: Yep, consider it, make it ten times wilder/darker, and then start writing where upon it gets even worse. And it would be GLORIOUS!

Domoviye, you are a sick, sick individual!

You should be celebrating, cherishing, nurturing Elrod as he makes these small, tiny, hesitant steps towards empathy and compassion with his charges. Towards allowing them a happy, rewarding existence without pain, without anguish, without hardships.

I mean, think of the characters, think of the characters! (and the children, characters are children too).

?? You have read some of my work right? I don't usually do nice and happy. I put my characters through hell as a character building exercise, where if they survive, they MAY come out better people, who will be able to survive a nuclear holocaust and consider it at best a minor annoyance, because they have survived worse.

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9 years 1 month ago #97 by Phoenix Spiritus

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Domoviye wrote: ?? You have read some of my work right? I don't usually do nice and happy. I put my characters through hell as a character building exercise, where if they survive, they MAY come out better people, who will be able to survive a nuclear holocaust and consider it at best a minor annoyance, because they have survived worse.

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I reject your reality, and I replace it with ... Sailor Chibi Moon!

9 years 1 month ago #98 by Domoviye

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I once did a story that was similar to Sailor Moon.
It ended with the main character losing her powers because it turned out she was the wrong girl, and the evil forces of Chaos she was fighting found her. She considered it a good thing that she managed to make them kill her quickly, and hoped that when they found her parents it wouldn't last too long.
Don't bring Sailor Moon into this, it makes my muse act funny.

9 years 1 month ago - 9 years 1 month ago #99 by Phoenix Spiritus

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Domoviye wrote: I once did a story that was similar to Sailor Moon.
It ended with the main character losing her powers because it turned out she was the wrong girl, and the evil forces of Chaos she was fighting found her. She considered it a good thing that she managed to make them kill her quickly, and hoped that when they found her parents it wouldn't last too long.
Don't bring Sailor Moon into this, it makes my muse act funny.

<fingers in ears> La LA LAAAA NOT LISTENING!

I insert MORE CRAZINESS!!!!

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9 years 1 month ago #100 by Domoviye

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Zombie apocalypse.
A group of cosplayers escaped from zombies, but two of them were infected. The girl with the guns had to shoot them, and is now crazy. The one standing there moving her hands up and down was blinded when bone fragments hit her eyes, and is slowly turning into a zombie. The spinning one is utterly mad and remembering a happier time as a child in the playground.
Zombies are coming to eat them now.
That would be a cool story.

9 years 1 month ago - 9 years 1 month ago #101 by Phoenix Spiritus

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Domoviye wrote: Zombie apocalypse.
A group of cosplayers escaped from zombies, but two of them were infected. The girl with the guns had to shoot them, and is now crazy. The one standing there moving her hands up and down was blinded when bone fragments hit her eyes, and is slowly turning into a zombie. The spinning one is utterly mad and remembering a happier time as a child in the playground.
Zombies are coming to eat them now.
That would be a cool story.

wimper I can't stop seeing that now

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9 years 1 month ago #102 by Domoviye

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Do I win a cookie?

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9 years 1 month ago #104 by Domoviye

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Needs more blood.
Lets make the robots powered by babies.

9 years 1 month ago #105 by Astrodragon

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Domoviye wrote: Needs more blood.
Lets make the robots powered by babies.

Bit wimpish.

Lets have a magical beast powered by tossing babies into its burning belly.

I love watching their innocent little faces smiling happily as they trip gaily down the garden path, before finding the pit with the rusty spikes.

9 years 1 month ago #106 by Boris Knokitov

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Chibi Moon isn't a Wondercute member? You'll have to remedy that ASAP.

9 years 3 weeks ago #107 by lduke1990

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IT'S POWERED BY A FORSAKEN CHILD!!!!

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9 years 2 weeks ago #108 by mittfh

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On the Sērā Mūn front, Chibusa makes a far more interesting character than Chibi Chibi - she starts off as a bratty child, is later transformed into the evil Black Lady, then returns with a new role as Sailor Chibi-moon. Then there's the Super S arc, where she encounters Helios, who spends most of his time in the form of a winged unicorn, and pretty much falls in love with him. Oh, and while she looks (and usually acts) like a youngster, she's allegedly considerably older and has travelled back in time to save her mother, and inadvertently ends up living / working alongside the girl who'll eventually be her mother (yes, her combined story arc's rather wibbly wobbly timey wimey).

And with the original five series of the anime as a whole, there's the music. Oh my, there's the music. Among the dozens of albums and singles, there's a 10 CD soundtrack compilation album (Memorial Music Box), a 6 CD song compilation album (Memorial Song Box), albums full of instrumental renditions of the tracks (including piano, brass, origel) and even a Paris-themed album (!)

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