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Question The Banshee's Tale

7 years 9 months ago #1 by elrodw
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    7 years 9 months ago #4 by Mister D
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  • Diagnostic Spell. - Organising tuition to every magical healer on the planet, and every mage that's attached to a hospital.

    Long-term Back-story Infill. - Implications, both past and future.

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    7 years 9 months ago #5 by mhalpern
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  • Do I sense that Tansy is going to change her last name soon?

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  • If that was indeed morning sickness... Lanie is 5'11" and Wyatt is 6'6"... them's gonna be some TALL kids.

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    7 years 9 months ago #7 by Sir Lee
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  • It's... possible. She might start going by "Tansy Dawson" privately, but as for legally changing her name...? That's a far more confrontational statement. And from what Marissa said at the end of story, they want to bleed Theo Walcutt of as much money as possible, not necessarily to line their own pockets, but rather to punish him -- publicly disowning him would go against that tactic.
    Also, there are probably situations where introducing oneself as "Tansy Walcutt" would be convenient -- there are perks associated with the name.

    There might come a point where Tansy will do it -- but it will be calculated to cause maximum embarrassment to her father, by very publicly disowning him, and giving a truckload of reasons why she's disassociating herself from him.

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    7 years 9 months ago #9 by E. E. Nalley
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  • So I guess I'm not spoiling anything now, by admitting that Tansy is a member of the Boston Dawsons. Yes, those Boston Dawsons…

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  • elrodw wrote: (Insert feedback here)


    But even with the littlest font, my feedback won't fit there.

    Laneth starting her lecture in Latin. She should know that Latin isn't a common language now, and she is just insulting the "scholars." I wonder if she will provide some nice recordings while speaking Latin, and maybe a Pictish/English (Georgian) Dictionary, Celtic/English Dictionary. (Not sure how well any of the languages she knows are known currently.)

    Liberace? Freddie Mercury? How about George Takai? or Neil Patrick Harris? or maybe Adam Lambert? Oh wait, he didn't come out until 2010.

    I wonder if Baloo can teach that diagnostic spell to Dr. Tennant (female). It would be very helpful. Providing Greasy with a palliative is going to start a long line at Doyle. Starting with Phlegm, Frostbite, and every other student with an uncontrollable power or other problem, including Ayla, and Jade. And Greasy will be forbidden from building a Shrine to Kodiak (both of them). If Kody is still there in Gen 2, is he still providing treatments like this. I wonder if he will have any side-effects.

    Laneth had one heck of a life, and we already know where this is going. How much can she communicate with Lainie?

    It's strange, but Pru may have been the only person that Tansy wasn't mean to in person. She obviously dissed her in at least her own thoughts, but she is making up for that. And making up to Greasy for beating the crap out of him.

    I think the cure of Tansy's mom was a bit too quick, easy, sudden? I guess I would have had Tansy have to fight more than one time to actually fix the problem (even if it isn't completely written each time). It took Kayda many workings to remove all the piercings from Cav and Skybolt, even if it was shown only once or twice.

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    7 years 9 months ago #11 by null0trooper
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  • Valentine wrote: I think the cure of Tansy's mom was a bit too quick, easy, sudden? I guess I would have had Tansy have to fight more than one time to actually fix the problem (even if it isn't completely written each time). It took Kayda many workings to remove all the piercings from Cav and Skybolt, even if it was shown only once or twice.


    If I recall correctly, Sky's piercings were backed up by one or more fairly nasty spells cast by Hekate. Also, because placing piercings requires one or more physical wounds, they can't just be yanked out and expected to heal well even without magical complications.

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    7 years 9 months ago #12 by Arcanist Lupus
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  • Looking over my comments, I see that they are heavy on sarcasm. Please take then in the good humor in which they were meant.


    Ooh, a member of the Whateley mental health team that isn't Dr. Bellows! That IS new!

    Ah, yes. A table to sleep on. The height of luxury!

    That moment when you realize that you know someone with the answers to the most interesting medical mystery of your time, and you never bothered to ask them about it.

    Oh, look! Male Dr. Tennant. Apparently today is "straighten up lingering continuity loose ends about the Whateley medical community" day.

    What, no guinea pigs being suppressed?

    Ooh, personality personifications! This is going to be a fun mental dive! (And I mean that in the enjoyably fun, not the sarcastically fun sort of way)


    My guess is that Kodiak's diagnostic spell can be taught fairly easily, but learning to read it is much harder, and manipulating it to get fine detail is even harder. The differences between installing photoshop, using photoshop, and mastering photoshop, if you will.

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    7 years 9 months ago #13 by Arcanist Lupus
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  • null0trooper wrote:

    Valentine wrote: I think the cure of Tansy's mom was a bit too quick, easy, sudden? I guess I would have had Tansy have to fight more than one time to actually fix the problem (even if it isn't completely written each time). It took Kayda many workings to remove all the piercings from Cav and Skybolt, even if it was shown only once or twice.


    If I recall correctly, Sky's piercings were backed up by one or more fairly nasty spells cast by Hekate. Also, because placing piercings requires one or more physical wounds, they can't just be yanked out and expected to heal well even without magical complications.

    Still, I suspect that it's overly optimistic to think that a mental illness can be cured in a single sitting. I'd imagine that it is like going cold turkey on a smoking habit. The mental pathways are still there and heavily trodden upon. But now that she's been broken from her downward spiral and returned to clarity of mind recovery is possible.

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    7 years 9 months ago #14 by Yolandria
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  • Valentine wrote: I think the cure of Tansy's mom was a bit too quick, easy, sudden? I guess I would have had Tansy have to fight more than one time to actually fix the problem (even if it isn't completely written each time). It took Kayda many workings to remove all the piercings from Cav and Skybolt, even if it was shown only once or twice.

    There's a huge difference between mental illness and mythos magic. Mental illness can be cured rather easily with the use of psychic powers.

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    7 years 9 months ago #15 by Valentine
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  • Yolandria wrote:

    Valentine wrote: I think the cure of Tansy's mom was a bit too quick, easy, sudden? I guess I would have had Tansy have to fight more than one time to actually fix the problem (even if it isn't completely written each time). It took Kayda many workings to remove all the piercings from Cav and Skybolt, even if it was shown only once or twice.

    There's a huge difference between mental illness and mythos magic. Mental illness can be cured rather easily with the use of psychic powers.


    World's most powerful psychic is there with Tansy, and he couldn't cure it. Mental Illness can't be easily cured with psychic powers, if it was then Dr. Bellows, and his staff wouldn't be needed at Whateley, FUBAR would cure them all as they arrived.

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    7 years 9 months ago #16 by Katssun
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  • Talk about ancient drama, sheesh. Laneth being toyed with by her father and her father's lover. No wonder she liked mommy best.

    Tansy's mother is displacing her fear with maternal rage and drive. Tansy showed her mother what her father made her do, and that tipped the scales in an instant. Once she destroys Teddy Walcutt, she may relapse if the strength hasn't built up by then, or the fear of sickness isn't replaced with something like fear of failure. It was a quick fix on Tansy's part, because she knew right where to go.

    But I guess this brings up the question about psychic intrusions. Who sets up the format, the owner or the intruder? Tansy has a lot of power over her appearance in her mother's head, but had very little when she went into Kayda's. Tansy also had a pretty beneficial structure in her mother's head, where in Kayda's head she was dragged along through memories or curious mental constructs like the pedestals. If Tansy was prepared, she could put up a flow where she could easily get at the root of her mother's problems, and perform the quick fix. Or was it that Tansy was familiar enough with her mother's issues that she could follow the framework her mother's mind was in to navigate through the courtroom and throne setting?

    Maybe Fubar failed because he usually just navigates memories, and stays away from the more abstract?

    E. E. Nalley wrote: So I guess I'm not spoiling anything now, by admitting that Tansy is a member of the Boston Dawsons. Yes, those Boston Dawsons…

    I need a reminder, because I did a quick search and came up with nothing. :huh:

    I'm also stunned at the continued reveals of arrogance of the Atlanteans and Five Fold Court. Kodiak says they were desperate, but did they really think that a meta-gene complex wouldn't mutate on its own? For all that they appeared to know about DNA, they sure missed the point there.
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  • E. E. Nalley wrote: So I guess I'm not spoiling anything now, by admitting that Tansy is a member of the Boston Dawsons. Yes, those Boston Dawsons…

    :evil:


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  • So there is one thing confusing me. Did they introduce the MGC complex in the old days? That would mean that the MGC was inactive for thousands of years, if so what suddenly triggered it to express itself all over the world. If I am totally of her please correct me.
    On the other hand since it was artificially introduced, it would explain hown Nimbus can screw with it, since I would assume the BIT is directly related to it somehow.

    Regarding not anticipating mutations of MGC, well at least the Kodiak expected them and was against it. He probably just got overruled.
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  • I'm guessing that there is some sort of Essence link to the MGC. If there isn't enough ambient Essence in the area it won't activate. So during the time between the Sundering and the return of the Sidhe, the number of mutants would be very low, as Essence increased, more and more mutants appear. When the World Tree is fully mature, the mutant population may explode.

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  • Katssun wrote: I'm also stunned at the continued reveals of arrogance of the Atlanteans and Five Fold Court. Kodiak says they were desperate, but did they really think that a meta-gene complex wouldn't mutate on its own? For all that they appeared to know about DNA, they sure missed the point there.


    They were sort of in a war for the survival of the planet; they weren't certain anyone (doctors or test subjects) would live long enough for the complex to serve its original purpose... let alone mutate.

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  • Valentine wrote: I'm guessing that there is some sort of Essence link to the MGC. If there isn't enough ambient Essence in the area it won't activate. So during the time between the Sundering and the return of the Sidhe, the number of mutants would be very low, as Essence increased, more and more mutants appear. When the World Tree is fully mature, the mutant population may explode.


    This makes a lot of sense. I forgot about the essence drought after the sundering.
    7 years 9 months ago - 7 years 9 months ago #22 by E. E. Nalley
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  • Also keep in mind, time itself fractured during The Sundering. So from Kodiak's point of view it's either been a few hundred thousand years or several tens of millions of years and the answer is highly subjective.

    As to the confusion about the Boston Dawsons, let me just say that is in comparison to the Chippewa Falls Dawsons, of which Tansy is not a member.

    Now, Marissa is not cured in the strictest of senses. She still has Munchausen syndrome and hypochondria, she's just Aware that she has Munchausen syndrome and hypochondria; one of the biggest symptoms of these 2 diseases is that the sufferer is not really aware they have a mental illness. What Tansy has done this made her mother see that she has these diseases which allows her to resist with her considerable willpower their other symptoms. It isn't a cure but it does allow her to second-guess herself and not fall victim which gives time for more traditional methods of psychotherapy to assist her.

    As to how Tansy's power is represented here being different from what she experienced when she joined with Kayda, if you actually go back and read it find that Tansy had complete control over the imagery how she appeared and could stop Kayda from doing certain things in the mind space. Tansy is an extremely powerful and subtle psychic, and while she could Assert her own control over Kayda's mind space, she was passive to learn more about what was going on in Kaydas mind.

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  • Sir Lee wrote: It's... possible. She might start going by "Tansy Dawson" privately, but as for legally changing her name...? That's a far more confrontational statement. And from what Marissa said at the end of story, they want to bleed Theo Walcutt of as much money as possible, not necessarily to line their own pockets, but rather to punish him -- publicly disowning him would go against that tactic.
    Also, there are probably situations where introducing oneself as "Tansy Walcutt" would be convenient -- there are perks associated with the name.

    There might come a point where Tansy will do it -- but it will be calculated to cause maximum embarrassment to her father, by very publicly disowning him, and giving a truckload of reasons why she's disassociating herself from him.

    That's a given, the tuition deal will be tied in with divorce and alimony if the ideal time for Tansy to legally and publicly disown Theo comes before graduation, once through the red tape, it will be rather easy to make something like that stick, he's rich, the father, and has married several times after Marissa, the only leg he has to stand on is her mental health history, which is a non-factor as Tansy is a legal adult. Actually the ideal time would be in the Court Room when Theo is being tried for everything he did to Marissa and likely his other ex-wives, personally handing the paperwork to the presiding judge.

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  • E. E. Nalley wrote: Also keep in mind, time itself fractured during The Sundering. So from Kodiak's point of view it's either been a few hundred thousand years or several tens of millions of years and the answer is highly subjective.


    For all anyone knows, it could have even been a precondition for Gaea to reintroduce a sentient line of primates. ("Oy! Gimme summat to work wit' 'ere! Nothin' but a bunch o' f'ed-up monkey-f'rs, way I see it!")

    E. E. Nalley wrote: Now, Marissa is not cured in the strictest of senses. She still has Munchausen syndrome and hypochondria, she's just Aware that she has Munchausen syndrome and hypochondria; one of the biggest symptoms of these 2 diseases is that the sufferer is not really aware they have a mental illness. What Tansy has done this made her mother see that she has these diseases which allows her to resist with her considerable willpower their other symptoms. It isn't a cure but it does allow her to second-guess herself and not fall victim which gives time for more traditional methods of psychotherapy to assist her.


    I.e., she's gone from years of knowing something's wrong, but not knowing what, let alone how to fix it, to having a label to put on the wrongness that suggests a constructive way through it. I can see how breaking the feedback cycle - through therapy, ritual, powers, medication, whatever - can have the kind of dramatic initial success that sells movie tickets and Reader's Digest.

    The really hard work comes into play handling "What's Next?", which we see beginning at the end of the story.

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    7 years 9 months ago #25 by elrodw
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  • Banging Melvin Donner should provide Marissa with all the distraction she needs to avoid a relapse! :lol:

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  • I went through a calendar and found something important and interesting, on September 23rd 2007 Tansy said her birthday was on Tuesday, which makes her birthday September 25th, something to put in the wiki.

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  • Well that was quite the bombshell. Aside from Tansy, I mean.

    The suggestion that MGC activation might be related to Essence levels is an interesting one, but by no means correct. Assuming it is, then there should be some interesting correlations among the statistically tiny portion of the population. If magic is involved, just how much needs be involved? One would think that mages of yore might have inadvertently manifested themselves and it been viewed as an extension of their craft. Or it could be the opposite, and require essence being unused to do the trick. It does make me wonder though, if that correlation is in fact there.

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  • Valentine wrote: Liberace? Freddie Mercury? How about George Takai? or Neil Patrick Harris? or maybe Adam Lambert? Oh wait, he didn't come out until 2010.


    But aren't we talking about... hold on. quick DDG search Oh. Huh, never heard of him before, but that's no surprise (I most listen to filk, of all things, and I've never actually watched so much as a single episode of America, I'm a Dullard).

    So, should Sandra be pushing Greasy onto the stage so she can get away from them demanding that she sing all the time?

    I don't know if that was intentional or not, but I doubt he's actually meant to be the same person. Wicked-Pedo states that the IRL Adam Lambert was born in 1982, which is about 10 years too early for him to be a high school sophomore in 2007-08.

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  • Schol-R-LEA wrote:

    Valentine wrote: Liberace? Freddie Mercury? How about George Takai? or Neil Patrick Harris? or maybe Adam Lambert? Oh wait, he didn't come out until 2010.


    But aren't we talking about... hold on. quick DDG search Oh. Huh, never heard of him before, but that's no surprise (I most listen to filk, of all things, and I've never actually watched so much as a single episode of America, I'm a Dullard).

    So, should Sandra be pushing Greasy onto the stage so she can get away from them demanding that she sing all the time?

    I don't know if that was intentional or not, but I doubt he's actually meant to be the same person. Wicked-Pedo states that the IRL Adam Lambert was born in 1982, which is about 10 years too early for him to be a high school sophomore in 2007-08.


    I Googled people coming out since 2000. I vaguely had heard of Adam Lambert, not Greasy, but only knew he existed, no idea what he did. I actually thought he was someone else.

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  • To add to how screwed Theo is, even though solid proof would be difficult, allegations of what he made Tansy do will be damaging in itself, more so during a court hearing about what he has done to his Ex-wives, its hard to say if it would qualify as child prostitution, or statutory rape by proxy, or both, with a clear cut case of industrial espionage tied in depends on what the judge decides to call it, as there would be very little president to go off of, the very mention of possible industrial espionage will be a black mark to other businesses and make his life difficult, regardless of how it is achieved, without trust, not even backroom deals will happen easily

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  • I wonder if the Goodkinds and related know about the revealed true origin of the MGC... And so, don't want any bit of that ''tampered'' bloodline?

    Are the Walcutts related to the Goodkinds, ancestrally? ... Sorta shipping Tansy and Ayla...

    ... What else might be the Fivefolds be responsible for? Dynamorphs? Power Stones? Basically every source of Empowerment? They're even technically responsible for mages??

    So, note how super-divorced the G2 Financial Scene seems from the G1 stuff. Basically no familiar names... If the rankings are such that the Walcutts are the seconds to the Goodkinds... How much has the economic landscape changed?

    ... Wonder what happened to Connie and Heather? Destitute? Dead? What?
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  • Malady wrote: How much has the economic landscape changed?

    ... Wonder what happened to Connie and Heather? Destitute? Dead? What?


    Well, it's hard to say. Their world is a significantly more dangerous place than our own. We've never had to deal with all of our TV channels being usurped by a mad man proclaiming himself Emperor of the world. Yet.

    As far as Connie and Heather go, there is some justice in the world, but there is plenty of injustice as well. As we shall see in the coming weeks…

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  • E. E. Nalley wrote: We've never had to deal with all of our TV channels being usurped by a mad man proclaiming himself Emperor of the world.

    No, we elected him, instead.

    and ooh... sounding ominous.

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  • Gettin' a mite close to a political discussion with that... back on topic...
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    mhalpern wrote: To add to how screwed Theo is, even though solid proof would be difficult, allegations of what he made Tansy do will be damaging in itself, more so during a court hearing about what he has done to his Ex-wives, its hard to say if it would qualify as child prostitution, or statutory rape by proxy, or both, with a clear cut case of industrial espionage tied in depends on what the judge decides to call it, as there would be very little president to go off of, the very mention of possible industrial espionage will be a black mark to other businesses and make his life difficult, regardless of how it is achieved, without trust, not even backroom deals will happen easily

    Probably won't be mentioned at all... remember, there's a reason MIDs have a codename and the MCO is forbidden from seeking the mutant's real name. Especially if Tansy is going to be of any use to anyone as an operative.
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    ... I wonder how you get certified as a Sorcerer...
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  • DanZilla wrote: Gettin' a mite close to a political discussion with that... back on topic...

    mhalpern wrote: To add to how screwed Theo is, even though solid proof would be difficult, allegations of what he made Tansy do will be damaging in itself, more so during a court hearing about what he has done to his Ex-wives, its hard to say if it would qualify as child prostitution, or statutory rape by proxy, or both, with a clear cut case of industrial espionage tied in depends on what the judge decides to call it, as there would be very little president to go off of, the very mention of possible industrial espionage will be a black mark to other businesses and make his life difficult, regardless of how it is achieved, without trust, not even backroom deals will happen easily


    Probably won't be mentioned at all... remember, there's a reason MIDs have a codename and the MCO is forbidden from seeking the mutant's real name. Especially if Tansy is going to be of any use to anyone as an operative.


    Depends on how much is mentioned, using sex as a means of social engineering to acquire information isn't anything new and you don't need telepathy to do it. And it could be rather easy to block detailed inquiry related to what she did, due to the nature of the situation, all that matters is that she was emotionally abused to acquire information, using sex, about other companies. Beyond that is not only irrelevant but gross misconduct, besides Theo does NOT want word to get out that Tansy is any kind of mutant, let alone a telepath, remember that bet he made against Bruce Goodkind in the flashback in Intervention? Revealing Tansy as a mutant is worse for Theo than it is for Tansy, so he'll take efforts to ensure that doesn't happen.

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  • The news that Tansy is a mutant got out a long time ago -- it was open knowledge in Chilton that was the reason she got suddenly pulled out of the school and transferred to a mysterious school nobody knew the name of.

    The fact that she's an Exemplar and telepath, OTOH, are not as well known. That time she seduced Unicorn's brother, for instance, nobody seemed to know she was Tansy Walcutt -- apparently she was using an alias, and some assumed that she was Theo Walcutt's flavor-of-the-month.

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  • Malady wrote: I wonder if the Goodkinds and related know about the revealed true origin of the MGC... And so, don't want any bit of that ''tampered'' bloodline?

    Might not explain the Goodkind "pedigree" but it certainly does explain the other Bloodline. They may have known that the MGC is ancient and intentional all along, and not just thought of it as a random happenstance they stumbled upon.

    Interesting parallel to the Gen 2 Nazis who have tried to recreate it without that particular "mutant" element to it.
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  • Some of Laneth's story tickled some memories and I did a quick search.

    It takes five years to make a Pixar film.

    Brave came out in 2012

    Just enough time for someone at that lecture to tell a buddy in the film industry. "I heard this great story. Bet it would make a good movie."
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  • Dude, I ninja'd you on the first page. Sorry! :sigh:

    But, hey, you have agreement!

    Malady wrote: Funny Quotes:

    “Oh, that went well...”
    
    [OH! Brave references! Wait... So in Whateley, Brave is based off of Laneth's story, instead of the other way around!]



    Hmm... What other movies could be inspired by things?
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  • Malady wrote: Dude, I ninja'd you on the first page. Sorry! :sigh:

    But, hey, you have agreement!

    Malady wrote: Funny Quotes:

    “Oh, that went well...”
    
    [OH! Brave references! Wait... So in Whateley, Brave is based off of Laneth's story, instead of the other way around!]



    Hmm... What other movies could be inspired by things?


    Doesn't count. You hid it behind a spoiler blank. ^_-

    "When worlds Collide." Because of the Sundering leaving racial memories.
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  • peter wrote: "When worlds Collide." Because of the Sundering leaving racial memories.


    More than just that if you stop and think about it. When Worlds Collide is a retelling of the Noah story with some science-fiction overtones and stage dressing. But then, I believe every civilization in the Fertile Crescent had a flood Myth. Certainly something to make you go, "Hhhmmmmm…"

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  • Liberace? Freddie Mercury? How about George Takai? or Neil Patrick Harris?


    The first two were flamboyant (to the level of stereotype) musicians from the beginning, who became iconic. The other two started out as relatively ordinary (but talented) actors whose orientation was hidden and largely irrelevant to their careers for years. For George Takai, it became more a matter of politics and personal life than a signifivant element of his acting. NPH did make a part of some later over the top portrayals. All told, Mercury is a better update than the others, IMO.
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  • Rose Bunny wrote: If that was indeed morning sickness... Lanie is 5'11" and Wyatt is 6'6"... them's gonna be some TALL kids.


    I got the feeling of morning sickness as well, I wonder if the tribal land they are on allows polygamy?

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  • E. E. Nalley wrote:

    peter wrote: "When worlds Collide." Because of the Sundering leaving racial memories.


    More than just that if you stop and think about it. When Worlds Collide is a retelling of the Noah story with some science-fiction overtones and stage dressing. But then, I believe every civilization in the Fertile Crescent had a flood Myth. Certainly something to make you go, "Hhhmmmmm…"


    Not really, consider the Mississippi flooding of 1993.
    The flood occurred on the Mississippi and Missouri rivers and their tributaries between April to October 1993. The flooded area totaled around 30,000 square miles (80,000 km²) and was the worst since the Great Mississippi Flood of 1927 as measured by duration, square miles inundated, persons displaced, crop and property damage and number of record river levels.


    Now this is with all the modern flood control, weather forecasting, flood prediction, modern communications, etc. Now imagine what would have happened without all that, and the legends would develop from that.

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  • Valentine wrote: I think the cure of Tansy's mom was a bit too quick, easy, sudden? I guess I would have had Tansy have to fight more than one time to actually fix the problem (even if it isn't completely written each time).

    Oddly enough, as a retired psychotherapist I disagree somewhat.

    First, a bit of context, In what we laughingly call "real life", "mental illness" can be loosely divided into two categories: physiogenic and psychogenic. The first includes conditions initiated by neural malformation, chemical issues, injuries, and so on. The psychogenic conditions are largely initiated by psychological traumas, stress, and the like.

    In the WU, we can add effects of magick, powers, etc.

    With the right approaches, many psychogenic conditions really can be eliminated that quickly and easily. For instance, I have seen decades-old phobias eliminated in a single, half hour session - and remained gone at one year and five year followups. Marissa's condition appears to have been similarly structured, and similarly amenable to Tansy's approach. Periodic followups would be prudent, but that kind of symbolic manipulation can produce surprisingly rapid and lasting changes.
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  • Valentine wrote:

    E. E. Nalley wrote: More than just that if you stop and think about it. When Worlds Collide is a retelling of the Noah story with some science-fiction overtones and stage dressing. But then, I believe every civilization in the Fertile Crescent had a flood Myth. Certainly something to make you go, "Hhhmmmmm…"


    Not really, consider the Mississippi flooding of 1993.
    The flood occurred on the Mississippi and Missouri rivers and their tributaries between April to October 1993. The flooded area totaled around 30,000 square miles (80,000 km²) and was the worst since the Great Mississippi Flood of 1927 as measured by duration, square miles inundated, persons displaced, crop and property damage and number of record river levels.
    Warning: Spoiler! [ Click to expand ]


    Now this is with all the modern flood control, weather forecasting, flood prediction, modern communications, etc. Now imagine what would have happened without all that, and the legends would develop from that.

    Amusingly enough, China has their own ancient flood legend, with some archeological and geological proof!

    Scientific Evidence of Flood May Give Credence to Legend of China’s First Dynasty
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  • I don't know anything about how the bar system works, so I don't know if Marissa can be involved in any capacity with a criminal case in Pennsylvania, but it might be nice if she was. Story wise it might even make sense

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  • True, but as with Mesopotamia, actual major floods in the Yellow and Yangtze river basins are a common occurrence; the 1931 are among the deadliest natural disasters on record, with estimates as high as 2 million.

    There was some natural river flooding in 1938 as well, which was less severe in itself but played a role in a later disaster set off by the ongoing part of the Second World War usually excluded by historiansSecond Sino-Japanese War, which had nothing to do with WWII, honest, no we mean it, and why would anyone think it did when all it did was serve as the primary reason the United States started the international embargo on exporting oil to Japan that was the spur for both their alliance with Germany and the eventual war in the Pacific, they are obviously entirely unrelated, right?. Specifically, the Nationalist government deliberately breached several dams on the Yellow River to slow the progress of the Japanese army, in the process killing a lot more of their own people than the Japanese did (which is astonishing, given their war record). While the damage and death toll would have been terrible no matter what, the fact that the dams were already at capacity due to earlier flooding made it far worse.

    Flood legends are very common around the world, it is true, but so are floods. While actual prehistoric disasters such as the Black Sea inundation (which has been argued to have been very rapid - a period of a few months - but even with the normal model of 250 years was still a dramatic event) and the Badlands glacial flooding (which happened around the same time, and was part of a general series of meltwater inundations that led to dramatic sea level rising and probably contributed to the Black Sea event) would contribute to this, but aren't really needed to explain the legends.

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  • My memory gets confused a lot; I've corrected what I wrote earlier. Sorry about that.

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  • And the flooding on the Yangtze Yellow and Mississippi rivers and in ancient lands is related to the Banshees Tale how?

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  • elrodw wrote: And the flooding on the Yangtze Yellow and Mississippi rivers and in ancient lands is related to the Banshees Tale how?


    Laneth -> Brave -> When Worlds Collide -> Noah -> Floods

    Collapse of North American and NW European ice sheets -> also flooding -> Badlands carved out PLUS:

    Sea level increases -> Scotland now located on an island separate from Europe

    Also, Kayda's from South Dakota, close to the Badlands, and now knows Laneth, so it's all good. 8-)

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  • Hmm Wasn't Laneth (Black Spiral Kin-RUNNNN!!! J/K they were still White Howlers back then) pregnant when she was killed, Elaine might not be pregnant but might be experiencing a Phantom pregnancy, unless the brick condom's failed or Laneth's contract with her husband came back into force and the Brick-condom's barrier (and any birth control Laine employed) was voided.

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  • No, Her child had already been born, and Lanie is her descendant through that child.

    And since Lanie is on the pill, I think She and Wyatt were depending on that for birth control. Though the pill isn't 100% effective, especially where Exemplars are concerned.

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  • elrodw wrote: And the flooding on the Yangtze Yellow and Mississippi rivers and in ancient lands is related to the Banshees Tale how?


    Amtrak.

    Hmmmm, I wonder if Laneth and Destiny's Wave can talk about their understanding of modern music together.

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  • I'm just waiting for Lanie to bump into Alicia. Though I wonder how effective Alicia's glow detection is for women that don't know. I can certainly pick up on the glow on women that do know, but it's harder with those that don't.

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  • Rose Bunny wrote: No, Her child had already been born, and Lanie is her descendant through that child.

    And since Lanie is on the pill, I think She and Wyatt were depending on that for birth control. Though the pill isn't 100% effective, especially where Exemplars are concerned.


    I was referring to the other children she was supposed to carry, not her first.

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  • null0trooper wrote:

    elrodw wrote: And the flooding on the Yangtze Yellow and Mississippi rivers and in ancient lands is related to the Banshees Tale how?


    Laneth -> Brave -> When Worlds Collide -> Noah -> Floods

    Collapse of North American and NW European ice sheets -> also flooding -> Badlands carved out PLUS:

    Sea level increases -> Scotland now located on an island separate from Europe

    Also, Kayda's from South Dakota, close to the Badlands, and now knows Laneth, so it's all good. 8-)


    And the glaciation is the reason there are no snakes on Ireland, which of course relates to Lainie's Irish roots.

    Rose Bunny wrote: I'm just waiting for Lanie to bump into Alicia. Though I wonder how effective Alicia's glow detection is for women that don't know. I can certainly pick up on the glow on women that do know, but it's harder with those that don't.

    No! This should be prevented at all costs! If those two meet, they might start a funetik aksent feedback, which would lead to a (gasp) accent singularity.

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  • Overall an amusing read. 4 out of 5 mad cackles.

    I wonder who Dr Kodiak gets asked to look at next. Phlegm notably comes to mind. (Continuity: He's been called Phlem in some recent stories)

    Adam opened the door and found it full with the practically hulking form of Wyatt Cody. Behind him, John 'Peeper' Martin squealed out, “I didn't make the poster of Loophole in the shower!”

    Wyatt's face clouded over and he ducked his shoulder to crowd his way into the room and collect a handful of the chubby young man and effortlessly lift him up to eye level. “What poster of Lanie in the shower?” he growled. Adam actually chuckled and shook his head as he tapped the big senior on the arm.

    “Wyatt?” he asked, pointing with this thumb at the wall. On it was a one sheet style poster that had been the fund raiser spring term final project for Venus, Inc. last year. On it, Elaine, dressed as a plumber heavily inspired by a certain Italian practitioner of the trade, shrugging into the camera as the models, all in towels clustered around her with mock scowls at being forced to wait to come clean, in a shower under heavy remodeling. It was even labeled, Venus, Inc. 2006-2007.


    Calling all artists! Both for the scene and for the poster itself! :roflmao:

    In it were Elaine and Tansy laying next to each other and locked in a passionate kiss. Elaine in a reddish orange fur coat and Tansy in a grayish white one.


    Hmm. Let's reimagine this as another shot for a photoshoot (perhaps the one for Stephan of Beverly Hills). Loophole standing 3/4 facing the camera and looking into it. She's wearing her coat, holding it closed above her breasts. Back to back with her is Tansy, looking over her shoulder at the camera. We can't see how her coat is staying closed. Both are wearing heels on otherwise bare legs.
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  • Would that image be legal if used commercially? No full nudity so maybe. They are under age after all.
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  • peter wrote: Would that image be legal if used commercially? No full nudity so maybe. They are under age after all.


    I won't repost the image because, honestly I think it crosses a line, but this is an actual advertisement, so, draw your own conclusions...

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  • I read this story, and I found Tansy's desperate drive to help her mother awesome, and the fact it suceeded, even though people around her had doubts was even better. Personnified parts of the psyche is fun in a weird and good way.

    However, I'll amit there is one thing which ramped up the 'd'aww' factor for me above all. Greaser. All this time the poor guy passed in Peeper's toxic shadow, all the troubles, an now he's finally facing bright opportunities, and the fact it could mean hope for other GSD students in similar situation is just wonderful. Favorite part of this story.
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