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Question What's New Pussycat?

7 years 9 months ago #1 by E. E. Nalley
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    7 years 9 months ago #2 by Rose Bunny
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    7 years 9 months ago #3 by Jarjaross
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  • Is it wrong that I'm jealous of Danny?… again.

    Any way good story. Can't wait to see some of the new bullies get taught a visceral lesson on not judging a book by its cover.

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    7 years 9 months ago - 7 years 9 months ago #4 by peter
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  • Yeah, Danny gets his own chapter.

    I've been hoping for this.

    Damn, I hate bullies. So much. The arrogant stupidity of it just frosts my flakes

    Are we going to see a chapter fronted with the Lyrics to "What's new Pussycat" ^_^

    What's new pussycat whoa
    What's new pussycat whoa oh
    Pussycat, pussycat, I've got flowers
    And lots of hours to spend time with you
    So go and powder your cute little pussycat nose
    Pussycat, pussycat, I love you yes I do
    You and your pussycat nose
    What's new pussycat whoa
    What's new pussycat whoa oh oh
    Pussycat, pussycat, you're so thrilling
    And I'm so willing to care for you
    So go and make up your big little pussycat eyes
    Pussycat, pussycat, I love you yes I do
    You and your pussycat eyes
    What's new pussycat whoa
    What's new pussycat whoa oh oh
    Pussycat, pussycat, you're delicious
    And if my wishes can all come true
    I'll soon be kissing your sweet little pussycat lips
    Pussycat, pussycat, I love you yes I do
    You and your pussycat eyes whoa
    You and your pussycat nose

    Danny's biggest problem is he's way too self conscious. Give him a year to grow into his situation and gain some confidence and he could turn into one of the major players on campus, on purpose and not just as a helpless toy.

    My next wish would be to see him spend some extended time, maybe a day of classes, as a full Cougar. The girls could make dress him up with cute saddlebags for his books,and one of the devisor could give him some manipulator arms attached to a harness, but for the first time he'd just have to make due.

    It's one of my favorite concepts I'd love to see. A student with a full animal form and how they cope with it. I know that there is at least one other student we've seen in passing, but I'd like to see a full chapter treatment of the situation.
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    7 years 9 months ago #5 by Domoviye
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  • Danny makes me very jealous to. I'd have killed to have girls wanting to pet me like that in high school.

    Great story showing some of Danny's trials and tribulations at school. I'll refrain from going into details until more people have had a chance to read it.
    7 years 9 months ago #6 by Domoviye
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  • peter wrote: Yeah, Danny gets his own chapter.
    My next wish would be to see him spend some extended time, maybe a day of classes, as a full Cougar. The girls could make dress him up with cute saddlebags for his books,and one of the devisor could give him some manipulator arms attached to a harness, but for the first time he'd just have to make due.

    It's one of my favorite concepts I'd love to see. A student with a full animal form and how they cope with it. I know that there is at least one other student we've seen in passing, but I'd like to see a full chapter treatment of the situation.

    Yeah Shisa has hands, but she also uses them as feet, so its very inconvenient for her. And no promises but you may be seeing a story involving her. At the very least you'll see more of her as a side character in the future.
    7 years 9 months ago - 7 years 9 months ago #7 by E!
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  • Thoroughly enjoyed it! I was waiting for a Danny piece to come out. Now whats going to be the aftermath of the Coyote dreams?

    And when will Danny/Danica's true weakness be revealed?

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  • Ebola wrote: Thoroughly enjoyed it! I was waiting for a Danny piece to come out. Now whats going to be the aftermath of the Coyote dreams?

    And when will Danny/Danica's true weakness be revealed?

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    Oh, lord, there were no cardboard boxes the last time she was in the human realm. How will Wini handle the overpowering urge to crawl into boxes too small for her.
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  • Domoviye wrote: Danny makes me very jealous to. I'd have killed to have girls wanting to pet me like that in high school.


    Oddly that was one of thevthings keeping me from being jealous of Danny.

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    7 years 9 months ago - 7 years 9 months ago #10 by E!
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  • peter wrote:

    Ebola wrote: Thoroughly enjoyed it! I was waiting for a Danny piece to come out. Now whats going to be the aftermath of the Coyote dreams?

    And when will Danny/Danica's true weakness be revealed?

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    Oh, lord, there were no cardboard boxes the last time she was in the human realm. How will Wini handle the overpowering urge to crawl into boxes too small for her.



    Imagine when Wondercute finds out that empty boxes are Danny/Wihi version of bear-traps
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  • peter wrote:

    Ebola wrote: Thoroughly enjoyed it! I was waiting for a Danny piece to come out. Now whats going to be the aftermath of the Coyote dreams?

    And when will Danny/Danica's true weakness be revealed?

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    Oh, lord, there were no cardboard boxes the last time she was in the human realm. How will Wini handle the overpowering urge to crawl into boxes too small for her.


    What Danny wishes he could do to Danica.
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  • Danny fails costuming because Wihinape sees balls of thread and yarn, chaos ensues.

    Also, I wonder if we will get a redux of Aquerna's little springtime problem. Would Wihinape go into heat? Would Danny be stuck as female until it resolves? Would he have to temporarily be isolated?

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    7 years 9 months ago - 7 years 9 months ago #13 by E!
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  • Domoviye wrote:

    peter wrote:
    Oh, lord, there were no cardboard boxes the last time she was in the human realm. How will Wini handle the overpowering urge to crawl into boxes too small for her.


    What Danny wishes he could do to Danica.
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  • Mhh, I first wanted to say he needs to grow a spine, but that's wrong. I mean he fought a goddamn demon.

    More accurately I think what he needs to lear is how to tell people no. Which is something I can understand because I find it incredibly hard to just say no to someone who asks me for something. I have learned how to do it. It helps a lot sometimes just telling people straight up no. Thats what he need.
    Oh and some self confidence. Hopefully Martial arts can help him there. He should have pretty good coordination, reflexes and speed. And the instructors are known to beat beat any sense of inherit superiority out of the more arrogant students.

    I almost cannot bear how he basically gets pushed around by everyone and even his own spirit. I mean so far I can only remember Ayla seeming to be sympathetic.

    And I have to make a little admission. I never could really identify with Kayda. I mean yeah I can sympathize because she went through some shit. Which is why I cannot understand WHY IN CREATION she would act the way she does. After all the bullshit she had to go through. And she acts like THIS? I am actually starting to actively dislike her. Even if Danny was an annoying little brother. I mean I have a little brother who was annoying, - he grew up =P - but it just seems wrong is her role not specifically helping people? Maybe put her literally in his shoes emotionally would help her. I don't know something about her behaviour rubs me the wrong way. As well as all the harrassment that seems to be considered ok by everyone just because he seems to like it. I mean part of it is his fault for not saying no. but still, something here rubs me seriously wrong.
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  • Rose Bunny wrote: Danny fails costuming because Wihinape sees balls of thread and yarn, chaos ensues.

    Also, I wonder if we will get a redux of Aquerna's little springtime problem. Would Wihinape go into heat? Would Danny be stuck as female until it resolves? Would he have to temporarily be isolated?


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  • Cerdaemon wrote: Mhh, I first wanted to say he needs to grow a spine, but that's wrong. I mean he fought a goddamn demon.

    I think part of Danny's issues are that for all intents and purposes, he's a member of the Underdogs, he just doesn't know it. Even if Danny COULD stand up to Dump Truck, he's kinda outgunned. Against an Exemplar/PKSuperman, he can't do much, even if he could manifest his claws all he has going for him now is agility to maybe avoid some blows, and speed to run away. If he can learn something that allows him to use an opponent's size against them, then he will have better odds. That's gonna take time. Look at Aquerna, at first she was a "strictly flee" case, but she has learned to use her weapons and parkour skills to better even the odds. (And it's not like Danny can call upon dozens of mountain lions from all over campus.)

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  • I think Danny just needs to fight like a girl. Let Slut -Kitty take over and put those punks in their place. Her claws i'm pretty sure are more than up to the task. If they can damage snakey hide...I'm sure they can handle some punk's hide.

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  • Hmm I wonder, Is Danny going to be "studying French" in the same or similar manner as Ayla? Just with Amelie instead of Adalie?

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  • That would be the best way to do it. :kiss: :kiss: :kiss:

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  • Cerdaemon wrote: Mhh, I first wanted to say he needs to grow a spine, but that's wrong. I mean he fought a goddamn demon.

    More accurately I think what he needs to lear is how to tell people no. Which is something I can understand because I find it incredibly hard to just say no to someone who asks me for something. I have learned how to do it. It helps a lot sometimes just telling people straight up no. Thats what he need.
    Oh and some self confidence. Hopefully Martial arts can help him there. He should have pretty good coordination, reflexes and speed. And the instructors are known to beat beat any sense of inherit superiority out of the more arrogant students.

    I almost cannot bear how he basically gets pushed around by everyone and even his own spirit. I mean so far I can only remember Ayla seeming to be sympathetic.

    And I have to make a little admission. I never could really identify with Kayda. I mean yeah I can sympathize because she went through some shit. Which is why I cannot understand WHY IN CREATION she would act the way she does. After all the bullshit she had to go through. And she acts like THIS? I am actually starting to actively dislike her. Even if Danny was an annoying little brother. I mean I have a little brother who was annoying, - he grew up =P - but it just seems wrong is her role not specifically helping people? Maybe put her literally in his shoes emotionally would help her. I don't know something about her behaviour rubs me the wrong way. As well as all the harrassment that seems to be considered ok by everyone just because he seems to like it. I mean part of it is his fault for not saying no. but still, something here rubs me seriously wrong.


    I guess you missed the clues - like where Kayda stood up to 9 bullies to protect him.
    Or the note of their "nobody hits my brother but me" sense between them.
    Or Kayda trying to get Danny changed out of the hoodie.
    Or the personal tour.
    or the fact that she had pre-briefed him on a lot about Poe and the people ...

    You're right - she IS being a total bitch toward him!

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  • Rose Bunny wrote: Even if Danny COULD stand up to Dump Truck, he's kinda outgunned. Against an Exemplar/PKSuperman, he can't do much, even if he could manifest his claws all he has going for him now is agility to maybe avoid some blows, and speed to run away.


    In "No Place Like Poe", Wihinape has already laid Dump Truck open once already. Their claws, like Tatanka's horns, are the sort of magic that punks PK.

    They do need to learn to work, play, and fight, together. They also need to learn to fight smarter faster than the bullies learn -- to gain and maintain whatever advantages they have. Unfortunately, no one's born knowing all that.

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  • I had forgotten that. But until Danny learns to manifest them, Bullies still get the whole "you had to become a girl to beat me" taunt.

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  • The problems Danny is facing are not his sister, the girls around him or even his inability to say no to cute girls. It's that he's so far out of his depth he is struggling to find balance and can't seem to find it.

    Brother turns into a sister, and the town turns on them. He can deal with it because it's a simple case of my family needs help against this group. Give me a gun, I'll fight. Very basic options.

    Demon wants to kill lots of people including his sister and will help destroy the world. Time to fight, I need the world because that's where I store my stuff. Again basic options, fight or die. Not easy, but straight forward.

    But then he gets the whole shape shifting into a girl, losing his sense of identity, and going from the midwestern ideal of masculinity to something that while very attractive is much more in line with a pop singer or a Japanese bishonin, which is pretty much the exact opposite of it. There are no straightforward options, no enemy he can really attack, and he doesn't even know if he'll stay himself.
    So we're seeing him wanting to have his sisters help, as we saw with the unpacking and several other times, but her fairly light teasing is being exaggerated as he feels overwhelmed and blaming her. It's a weird but common love-hate relationship on his end.

    If it goes on too long It will be annoying, but for the first little while it's natural and shows real depth. The thing as a reader is not to focus solely on the bad, but see all of the details to get the full perspective.
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  • so far, no comments about something I was sure would draw comments? I thought it was very obvious, too!

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  • elrodw wrote: so far, no comments about something I was sure would draw comments? I thought it was very obvious, too!

    Danny debating becoming a part-time lesbian?

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  • elrodw wrote: so far, no comments about something I was sure would draw comments? I thought it was very obvious, too!


    The developing opiate dependency?

    Now that I think about it, it's a miracle Danny's still alive after going on a bender.

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  • I should have thought of that, as someone that has to take prescription painkillers, myself.

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  • elrodw wrote: so far, no comments about something I was sure would draw comments? I thought it was very obvious, too!


    Is it about the 2 kids that haven't arrived yet?

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  • elrodw wrote: so far, no comments about something I was sure would draw comments? I thought it was very obvious, too!


    Maybe its just bias, but are you thinking of a certain small girl?
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  • Domoviye wrote:

    elrodw wrote: so far, no comments about something I was sure would draw comments? I thought it was very obvious, too!


    Maybe its just bias, but are you thinking of a certain small girl?

    But we already got that horror confirmed from a previous story, I forget which.

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  • I'm tending to agree that it's Danny's no-win choice that he either has to take highly addictive painkillers and live for 1 1/2-2 days a week as a girl, or try to ignore it and have Wihinape inadvertently increase his GSD even more... and that his reliance on the pills is increasing.

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  • mhalpern wrote:

    Domoviye wrote:

    elrodw wrote: so far, no comments about something I was sure would draw comments? I thought it was very obvious, too!


    Maybe its just bias, but are you thinking of a certain small girl?

    But we already got that horror confirmed from a previous story, I forget which.

    Kayda 10, Part 2 I believe.

    He just said he was sure it would draw comments, since it wasn't the interest in possibly going lesbian (that sounds rather strange when I say it out loud), and Charge's sister was already mentioned, I'm just throwing it out there.
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  • Just out of curiousity, do some guys really try to bully girls into a date like Dump Truck and his group did near the end? And does it ever work?

    I'm asking because I had all the social skills of an interesting piece of wet plaster as a teenager and never paid much attention to that kind of stuff.
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  • I am wondering how many of those pictures that Kayda is taking are actually making it to their mom, and how many Kayda is taking to just tease Danny.

    Lots and lots of TGs this year, and even more (Sphere and Absinthe) on the way later.

    Christina is a wonderful contradiction of emotions. To Danny and others she is nice and friendly, but to the children of villains she is unfriendly and even hateful for no reason other than they are the children of villains. I can't wait until she finds out about Fina, Jessie, and the others.

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  • elrodw wrote: so far, no comments about something I was sure would draw comments? I thought it was very obvious, too!


    You misnumbered the title, Learning to Hunt is Danny 1. :P

    Seriously, there is a lot that was mentioned in other stories. Angel hugging Danny, Teri being around, Danny getting bullied, Mischief petting Danny, Jade being after Danny.

    About the only "new" thing is Danny flirting with Amelie and vice-versa, but even that had been mentioned before.

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  • All right my thoughts.

    It was a good story.
    Bye.

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    Oh you want some detail!

    Danny is going to have a problem in Poe considering how he feels about people staring lustfully at him. On the plus side he does resign himself to it, so he isn't freaking out and should learn how to deal with it before too long.

    The amount of Valium he's taking is worrisome. It might have been better to not give him the prescription and force him to change regularly. Tough love, but better than an addiction to painkillers.

    Seeing some more details about the other Poe residents is always good. We're getting Alyss and Amy's perspective but, especially with Christina, it's a little one sided. This helps fill them out.

    I think Ayla was spot on, not overly friendly but not really cold or anything, very business like and straightforward.

    The shopping trip was a bit of fun, especially the short bit where Danny said he hated shopping.

    The bullying seems about right. He's not being picked on by every bully at Whateley, more just a large group that he caught the attention of. Unfortunately it seems like largest group of bullies there. That would be enough to knock anyone down, throwing it on top of everything else and Danny had better learn quick to be more assertive.

    So as usual it's a fine addition to Whateley canon.

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  • First let me state that I don't understand addiction, I don't have an addictive metabolism or psychology. I've been prescribed many different painkillers (I wish more of them worked) including Vicodin, Codeine, and other addictive painkillers.

    Currently I don't see a problem with what Danny has done with his Vicodin. He is taking it when he is in pain. Enough pain that his friends noticed he was having problems and were going to take him to Doyle. Even later when the pain is returning, he checks the time and notes that he has to wait another 3 hours, which he does. When he is not in pain, he isn't taking the painkillers.

    Now, Elrod may go somewhere with this, and he may not, but from the responses here, you would think that Danny was strung out on Meth, Heroin, Cocaine, Pot, and taking his Vicodin with shots of Whiskey.

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  • Valentine wrote: First let me state that I don't understand addiction, I don't have an addictive metabolism or psychology. I've been prescribed many different painkillers (I wish more of them worked) including Vicodin, Codeine, and other addictive painkillers.

    Currently I don't see a problem with what Danny has done with his Vicodin. He is taking it when he is in pain. Enough pain that his friends noticed he was having problems and were going to take him to Doyle. Even later when the pain is returning, he checks the time and notes that he has to wait another 3 hours, which he does. When he is not in pain, he isn't taking the painkillers.

    Now, Elrod may go somewhere with this, and he may not, but from the responses here, you would think that Danny was strung out on Meth, Heroin, Cocaine, Pot, and taking his Vicodin with shots of Whiskey.


    My main problem is that if he just transformed, which he needs to do anyways to not change any further, he'd feel better.
    Having an addictive personality (which is why I rarely take even over the counter pain killers, and have never touched recreational crap), it's pretty easy to slip into an addiction without even knowing it.
    Since there's a more 'natural' way to deal with it, he should be doing that instead.
    So while I know its not currently a problem it could become one with alarming ease.
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    I think that part of Danny's problem is that he's a high school freshman. (Coming out of a small middle school, as was pointed out in the story). I think we tend to forget how young these characters really are, especially when they're acting like oversexed college students.

    Also, Danny needs to get over his hang-ups on sexuality. The gay boys would be just attracted to him (or even more so) if he became a manly man than they are now. And who he is attracted to has no relation to his ability to fight. By accepting the premise that 'gay' is an insult, he's already let the bullies score a serious mark on him.

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  • Danny/Danica is so popular! He already has the sisterhood fighting over him, friendly with the villain girls, friendly with the wannabe superheroes, "friends" with Wondercute...etc.

    I'm guessing elrod's hint about what we haven't mentioned is the Three Little Witches looking for an image change. Cutettes? Wanting to get friendly with Wondercute? I sense a scheme to get essence!

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    Oh ho...she shares a few physical similarities to another freshmen girl, no? (Generally canon by now, showing up in cameo form in a number of places so far, though unnamed.) Color me very, very intrigued.

    Has Teri grown even stronger from her fanfic? Smashing bricks through trees?

    Danny has some very powerful fans amongst the girls at school, doesn't he?

    @Val: Danny has also gotten absolutely plastered after befriending 'Shine. Addiction (in a lot of ways, not all of them bad :P ) may be Danny's personal issue. Alcoholism is a uncomfortable topic for the Lakota too.

    And I am now completely convinced that June Franks is a precog. She immediately started calling Wihinape a slut, in a very uncharacteristic way and mean manner for the otherwise loving, understanding, and protective mother of the Franks clan, and now Wihinape just admitted it!
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  • Domoviye wrote:

    Valentine wrote: First let me state that I don't understand addiction, I don't have an addictive metabolism or psychology. I've been prescribed many different painkillers (I wish more of them worked) including Vicodin, Codeine, and other addictive painkillers.

    Currently I don't see a problem with what Danny has done with his Vicodin. He is taking it when he is in pain. Enough pain that his friends noticed he was having problems and were going to take him to Doyle. Even later when the pain is returning, he checks the time and notes that he has to wait another 3 hours, which he does. When he is not in pain, he isn't taking the painkillers.

    Now, Elrod may go somewhere with this, and he may not, but from the responses here, you would think that Danny was strung out on Meth, Heroin, Cocaine, Pot, and taking his Vicodin with shots of Whiskey.


    My main problem is that if he just transformed, which he needs to do anyways to not change any further, he'd feel better.
    Having an addictive personality (which is why I rarely take even over the counter pain killers, and have never touched recreational crap), it's pretty easy to slip into an addiction without even knowing it.
    Since there's a more 'natural' way to deal with it, he should be doing that instead.
    So while I know its not currently a problem it could become one with alarming ease.


    And if he addicted to the other form? Then what? Is he still Danny? He's already having enough problems dealing with who he is, without shifting to relieve the pain. Between his friends, which is apparently every female within a 100 mile radius, and most likely regular meetings with Dr. Bellows or one of the psych staff members, and regular check-ups at Doyle. I'm sure the responsible adults will keep an eye on him, he does have to get the drugs from Doyle. Heck, his spirit is likely to keep her eye on him.

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  • Valentine wrote: First let me state that I don't understand addiction, I don't have an addictive metabolism or psychology.


    Good for you. Seriously.

    Valentine wrote: Even later when the pain is returning, he checks the time and notes that he has to wait another 3 hours, which he does. When he is not in pain, he isn't taking the painkillers.

    Now, Elrod may go somewhere with this, and he may not, but from the responses here, you would think that Danny was strung out on Meth, Heroin, Cocaine, Pot, and taking his Vicodin with shots of Whiskey.


    No, the responses here are noting that he may already be on a rather high dose and he's beginning to count the hours until he can take the opiate again. The most likely reason with that class of drugs is that he's developing a tolerance to the medication -- one not normally prescribed for migraines. Tolerance doesn't even require abuse for it to happen. That he may have Regen makes developing a tolerance even more likely.

    What do you think a naive teen is most likely to do when it feels like the current dosage isn't working anymore?

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  • Funny story about Mary.
    She was supposed to be the TG vampire girl that JG introduced a LONG time ago. Mary was going to be her code name, as a nice play on Bloody Mary.
    Then JG came back, and well... no more vampire girl. A fact I didn't realize at first.

    Since she'd already showed up as Mary, with a long sleeve black outfit, certain changes needed to happen, so weird skin condition and energy wings, because wings are cool. It was either this or she would have become a schizophrenic manifestor. And her backstory changed quite a lot.

    As for Teri, I don't think she ever got into any serious fights in the fanfic. But in canon she can be very strong. God will she need it.

    Katssun that has to be it, the TLWs. It is pretty interesting, I just kind of forgot about that part. But I don't think there's an essence scheme here. In a story from late year 1, Grimes said she was going to light their wells at the end of the school year, so essence while useful isn't as important to them.
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  • I do love the energy wings.

    It is cheating if someone as small and agile as Teri joins the flying club that we see fully fleshed out in Gen 2?
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  • Cerdaemon wrote: And I have to make a little admission. I never could really identify with Kayda. I mean yeah I can sympathize because she went through some shit. Which is why I cannot understand WHY IN CREATION she would act the way she does. After all the bullshit she had to go through. And she acts like THIS? I am actually starting to actively dislike her. Even if Danny was an annoying little brother. I mean I have a little brother who was annoying, - he grew up =P - but it just seems wrong is her role not specifically helping people? Maybe put her literally in his shoes emotionally would help her. I don't know something about her behaviour rubs me the wrong way.

    The reason it feels like she's behaving out of character is that we're now seeing a part of her character that we'd only gotten glimpses of before Danny started changing, and this is happening after several books worth of material, so it feels like we already know her fully even though we don't. And yeah, this side of her is a bit uglier than the side she shows her friends. I was the same way at her age, so that doesn't seem weird. She's going a little heavier on the teasing than I think I would have given her experience, but she's also being a little more supportive than I would have been. So, it seems believable to me.

    Also worth remembering that Kayda seems to be of the opinion that all the sexual harassment she got from Ros last year helped her, so she probably figures that what's good for the goose is good for the gander.

    Cerdaemon wrote: As well as all the harrassment that seems to be considered ok by everyone just because he seems to like it. I mean part of it is his fault for not saying no. but still, something here rubs me seriously wrong.

    If the genders of everybody involved were reversed, I think people would be a lot less cool with all the creepy behavior Danny's subjected to. Maybe that's what you're picking up on.

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  • Katssun wrote: I do love the energy wings.

    It is cheating if someone as small and agile as Teri joins the flying club that we see fully fleshed out in Gen 2?


    She can always compete against Tennyo.

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  • Kettlekorn wrote: Also worth remembering that Kayda seems to be of the opinion that all the sexual harassment she got from Ros last year helped her, so she probably figures that what's good for the goose is good for the gander.


    Mhh. I forgot about that. That might just be the case. Maybe I am giving Kayda too much shit, I will not deny that she did some things, to help Danny. Still think she should dial back the teasing a bit.

    Kettlekorn wrote: If the genders of everybody involved were reversed, I think people would be a lot less cool with all the creepy behavior Danny's subjected to. Maybe that's what you're picking up on.


    You know. I never thought about it but you are right. If it was reversed shit would have hit the fan >.<

    Which leads me to another question. Why are all the girls so unrealistically into Danny? I mean I most girls I know like cute stuff, but there are always some exceptions. And even then I cannot see the people I know acting like that. But maybe I just know the wrong people. Is it part of his power that just no one realised yet? Or is it just the oversexed Poesies? But I think even non Poe girls have mostly shown the same reation. And also non of the gay guys seemed to have the same reaction, sure they might be interested but no one came on so forward as the girls. And Ayla seemed to be immune and he is male, then again he might be just showing manners.

    Well at least I have a lot of questions to be answered by the next installation, so I am looking forward to it.
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  • Cerdaemon wrote:

    Kettlekorn wrote: Also worth remembering that Kayda seems to be of the opinion that all the sexual harassment she got from Ros last year helped her, so she probably figures that what's good for the goose is good for the gander.


    Mhh. I forgot about that. That might just be the case. Maybe I am giving Kayda too much shit, I will not deny that she did some things, to help Danny. Still think she should dial back the teasing a bit.

    Kettlekorn wrote: If the genders of everybody involved were reversed, I think people would be a lot less cool with all the creepy behavior Danny's subjected to. Maybe that's what you're picking up on.


    You know. I never thought about it but you are right. If it was reversed shit would have hit the fan >.<

    Which leads me to another question. Why are all the girls so unrealistically into Danny? I mean I most girls I know like cute stuff, but there are always some exceptions. And even then I cannot see the people I know acting like that. But maybe I just know the wrong people. Is it part of his power that just no one realised yet? Or is it just the oversexed Poesies? But I think even non Poe girls have mostly shown the same reation. And also non of the gay guys seemed to have the same reaction, sure they might be interested but no one came on so forward as the girls. And Ayla seemed to be immune and he is male, then again he might be just showing manners.

    Well at least I have a lot of questions to be answered by the next installation, so I am looking forward to it.


    I may have it wrong, but I am pretty sure that nearly all of those girls gushing over Danny are lesbians, Mischief is an exception. Amelie is attracted, but she didn't seem to get physical, the T-Girls seem immune. The gay guys are hitting on him, he asks Kayda about them.

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  • Lets be realistic here.

    Kayda is in the modelling club at a school where "10 out of 10" in near enough the norm. She had pretty much the whole of the "Sisterhood" panting for her. Kayda is definitely something special.

    "Dancia" is the hot slutty cat-girl sister to Kayda … think about that for a bit.
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  • Well, Guess Danny is in for a busy year, and maybe more benefits that he thinks about his situation. Chaos Monkeys really need to be a thing too, especially if it lead to puns about Ayla's music tastes. I'll also join the idea that the Essence Gathering Crusaders are up to something there (though given when they were written... Do the CMC pay royalties to them?).
    Andd I see Irondork is already doing great so early in the year. /s

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  • Hardric wrote: P.S.: I don't know how the Gallery works, but someone needs to upload Mary's picture there. It's a really good one.

    I humbly request an image where Mary is stuffing Teri into a purse.
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  • Cerdaemon wrote: And also non of the gay guys seemed to have the same reaction, sure they might be interested but no one came on so forward as the girls. And Ayla seemed to be immune and he is male, then again he might be just showing manners.


    In Ayla's case, there's always manners to consider.

    As far as the gay guys? Going too far is still likely to get you punched in the face. Given that Danny's made it loudly clear that he isn't into guys, it would be stupid to take too much of a chance on the Midwestern farm boy.

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  • null0trooper wrote: As far as the gay guys? Going too far is still likely to get you punched in the face. Given that Danny's made it loudly clear that he isn't into guys, it would be stupid to take too much of a chance on the Midwestern farm boy.

    But Wihinape has made it clear she very much is into trying out guys,

    Danny may be in for a lot of heartache, Ros, Angel, and Christina on the one side, plenty of girls on the other side, and a few guys yet to be determined...

    And we thought Kayda had it rough.
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  • I honestly think that for now anyways, Amelie has the best chance at a relationship with Pounce, she isn't a "fan" like most of the friendly company s/he has encountered, but there is potential for something.

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  • I wonder if Danny is putting out increased pheromones as part of his change. That might explain a lot of things. the people that would be interested might pick up on them and be more intensely interested, and the bullies, might subconsciously notice them too, and that would drive them to go even more actively into the "I'm gonna pound you gay boy" mode.

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  • mhalpern wrote: I honestly think that for now anyways, Amelie has the best chance at a relationship with Pounce, she isn't a "fan" like most of the friendly company s/he has encountered, but there is potential for something.


    It depends on whether we are talking about a long-term relationship or a short-term relationship. Because Danny's partner will need to be fine with the fact that he is sometimes a girl and sometimes a guy (and unless they are able to "fix" the situation, be fine with him being 100% of the time a girl after the encounter with unhcegila).

    Anyway, regarding the story itself :

    Thank you Elrodw. I can't say I have enjoyed every bits but I overall liked it. I am slowly making peace with the danny teasing, mostly by acknowledging some things that maybe other "should" consider :
    - They are teenagers. That means they are sometimes going to do stupid things.
    - Even if I don't think we really have seen any example of this, it seems "off-screen" Danny was a brat. Maybe that's part of why there is a dissonance between the reader's perception and the author/universe at large. We don't see Danny as a brat, thus we don't really get the "in a way he deserves some of it".
    - For the reader it has been months since the first teasings, for the characters it has been only a few weeks for kayda and just a few days for the rest of the students. They won't grow bored of it for a while.
    - This is only the first part of the story. We shouldn't judge a story until it is over, we can't see the overall picture. Maybe by the end of it you will simply say "yes, those teasings were worth the point the author wanted to make".
    - This first part is chronologically happening before the last time we have seen Danny in other stories. it's only his first few days at Whateley, he is not going to deal with everything that is happening to him right away.
    - Ok some of what has happened to him is sexual harassment. I thought about it while reading it. I try to tell myself that they are teenagers and that if he had complained to the staff about it Mrs. Horton would have done something (it's just that because it is Poe they have given them more "leeway"). A justification based on "yes but he liked it in the end" would have implications that I don't want to consider.
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  • Cerdaemon wrote:

    Kettlekorn wrote: Also worth remembering that Kayda seems to be of the opinion that all the sexual harassment she got from Ros last year helped her, so she probably figures that what's good for the goose is good for the gander.


    Mhh. I forgot about that. That might just be the case. Maybe I am giving Kayda too much shit, I will not deny that she did some things, to help Danny. Still think she should dial back the teasing a bit.

    remember that these stories are
    1) Danny's POV, and his impressions are possibly highly exaggerated, and
    2) told by 'unreliable narrator'

    Which leads me to another question. Why are all the girls so unrealistically into Danny?
    ...
    Is it part of his power that just no one realised yet? Or is it just the oversexed Poesies?


    1) as has been noted in other tales, Danny's physiology is muscular and sleek, implying that he has little body fat and has well-defined muscles without being over-exaggerated.
    2) his spirit IS the tribe's view of femininity, which implies some kind of innate 'attractiveness' - and that MIGHT translate into the male equivalent for his male form.
    3) I already know the answers to all this but you don't want me to spoil it, do you? Of course you don't!

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  • It depends on whether we are talking about a long-term relationship or a short-term relationship. Because Danny's partner will need to be fine with the fact that he is sometimes a girl and sometimes a guy (and unless they are able to "fix" the situation, be fine with him being 100% of the time a girl after the encounter with unhcegila).

    Considering Amelie's sister's relationship history, I doubt that that will be a insurmountable barrier to their relationship.

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  • I've never had a fro, but I've heard that having a fro is a good way to have random strangers come up and start feeling your hair without asking for permission. People with poor self control tend to do dumb things without thinking about it when they encounter novelties, and cat people are novelties. Other mutants with tails, horns, etc. probably encounter a lot of that too. People see something new and think, "Whoa, is that real?" and before they know it they're groping.

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  • I've seen similar.
    In China blonde hair is very unique. A coworker of mine had nice long blonde hair and she complained about how people wanted to touch it when she was shopping. The first time I saw someone reaching out to pat her hair I was shocked, she took it in annoying stride.
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  • I think I'll subscribe to the notion of pheromones playing a part somehow, but definitely like the idea of an 'unreliable narrator'. He's a young kid who has no idea who he is/isn't yet - and thus in his telling of events could be exaggerating things quite a bit, and also protesting stuff he may actually have enjoyed but doesn't want to admit to himself about yet.

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  • Overall, a fun read. I look forward to seeing more of this tail.

    There's one thing that I noticed though. The author(s) may have forgotten that Danica is a furry (or fuzzy). I would imagine that offering to buy a furry shaving gear to shave her legs with could be considered a calculated insult. Then there's the cuddling up to a wet cat(girl) bit :-p

    On the other hand, with Wihinape a collection of nailcare stuff, mild sandpaper or a scratching post might go down well, though I hope she won't need anything like Aquerna's nail file. Hmm. A bunch of combs and brushes . . . :blink:
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  • Kettlekorn wrote: If the genders of everybody involved were reversed, I think people would be a lot less cool with all the creepy behavior Danny's subjected to. Maybe that's what you're picking up on.

    You know. I never thought about it but you are right. If it was reversed shit would have hit the fan >.<

    Which leads me to another question. Why are all the girls so unrealistically into Danny? I mean I most girls I know like cute stuff, but there are always some exceptions. And even then I cannot see the people I know acting like that. But maybe I just know the wrong people. Is it part of his power that just no one realised yet? Or is it just the oversexed Poesies? But I think even non Poe girls have mostly shown the same reation. And also non of the gay guys seemed to have the same reaction, sure they might be interested but no one came on so forward as the girls. And Ayla seemed to be immune and he is male, then again he might be just showing manners.

    Well at least I have a lot of questions to be answered by the next installation, so I am looking forward to it.

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    How much of that is mob mentality. A few girls start it up out of genuine attraction to the cute that is Danny, and maybe some of them just to tease, and then a few other girls start, and it becomes a thing.

    Mind you, it could be that the gay girls in Poe are in Poe because they are aggressively lesbian, to the extent that they'd not be able to blend into a normal dorm.

    I do think that a lot of it might just be piling on. It's the cool thing to do. If I were a girl, and in Poe however, my goal would be to lure Full feline Danny into my bed as the ultimate cuddle buddy.
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    Kettlekorn wrote: If the genders of everybody involved were reversed, I think people would be a lot less cool with all the creepy behavior Danny's subjected to. Maybe that's what you're picking up on.

    You know. I never thought about it but you are right. If it was reversed shit would have hit the fan >.<

    Which leads me to another question. Why are all the girls so unrealistically into Danny? I mean I most girls I know like cute stuff, but there are always some exceptions. And even then I cannot see the people I know acting like that. But maybe I just know the wrong people. Is it part of his power that just no one realised yet? Or is it just the oversexed Poesies? But I think even non Poe girls have mostly shown the same reation. And also non of the gay guys seemed to have the same reaction, sure they might be interested but no one came on so forward as the girls. And Ayla seemed to be immune and he is male, then again he might be just showing manners.

    Well at least I have a lot of questions to be answered by the next installation, so I am looking forward to it.

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    How much of that is mob mentality. A few girls start it up out of genuine attraction to the cute that is Danny, and maybe some of them just to tease, and then a few other girls start, and it becomes a thing.

    Mind you, it could be that the gay girls in Poe are in Poe because they are aggressively lesbian, to the extent that they'd not be able to blend into a normal dorm.

    I do think that a lot of it might just be piling on. It's the cool thing to do. If I were a girl, and in Poe however, my goal would be to lure Full feline Danny into my bed as the ultimate cuddle buddy.


    Or it could be that the spirit is causing an attractiveness aura or pheremones that make Danica desireable ....

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  • A few quick points: Danny's attractiveness isn't limited to Whateley - back home, he was very popular with the local girls when he went fuzzy after a church service.

    As for Kayda's teasing, "For years, Danny had teased his older sibling, so it wasn't a total surprise to him that she was going to take the opportunity to humiliate him." When it's just light-hearted teasing and petting (with no long term consequences likely), she's taking full advantage. However, she did (unsuccessfully) attempt to get Danny upstairs and out of the Hello Kitty hoodie before Whateley's greatest HK fan appeared, successfully persuaded him that wearing the T-shirt with that image of Nikki probably wasn't a good idea and when she saw him being confronted by a gang of bullies, kept them distracted long enough for Security to arrive (and even manifested Tatanka to drive the point home if necessary).

    He also mentions in another tale later on that while he doesn't particularly want to join Wondercute, they do tend to act as a protection squad - and once in this tale, he escaped by shifting to Wihinape and scrambling up a tree.

    Meanwhile, we have a character called Teri who's suspiciously similar to Dom's Tink, which suggests that despite her rather extreme physiology (GSD?) she's largely canon-compatible. I guess we'll have to wait and see if she remains a secondary / background character or whether she gets a canonical PoV origin story (probably with a less extreme manifestation than fanfic V1, but hopefully retaining much of the Supermarket Mouse Queen hijinks). If one is en-route, I'd imagine Canon will keep their lips sealed then slip it out in a few months' time when we're least expecting it (we know they can be devious with their characters - who says they can't be equally as devious behind-the-scenes?!)

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  • Beyond anything that has appeared in a canon story all I will say about Teri is this:
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  • I tend to think it is the pheromone idea. I mean in the case of Dump Truck, and the bullies, it hits them on a subconscious level to notice Danny. Which kicks in the "I ain't no fruit" response, causing them to feel the need to 'prove it" by pummeling the source of the issue. Pity there isn't any "Sara Sauce" left... after what happened to TNT... a repeat would be welcome.

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  • Beyond anything that has appeared in a canon story all I will say about Teri is this:

    Oh my! Is that super villain laugh number 6!

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  • Domoviye wrote: Beyond anything that has appeared in a canon story all I will say about Teri is this:

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  • A couple of things to remember:

    1) Danny and Kayda grew up and formed their relationship as brothers for most of their lives. With Danny as the not-uncommon somewhat jealous and bratty younger brother. The dynamics of such a relationship and history are very different than those of a sister-brother relationship.

    2) A large part of the female population responds disproportionally to things feline.
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  • joreymay wrote: 2) A large part of the female population responds disproportionally to things feline.

    But they can has cheezburger?

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  • It's worth noting that Kayda is particularly unsympathetic to Danny's plight because he was pretty bratty and unsympathetic towards her at the time.

    She still defends him when push comes to shove, but the teasing? As far as she's concerned, he deserves all of it. Sending embarrassing photos of "firsts" back to Mom (who Kayda knows has pregnancy mush-brain) just makes things better.

    Kayda clearly cares for her little brother-sister, but to her, this is years worth of comeuppance. It's also worth noting that she's sort of gently steering Danica toward girls like Ros and Angel. Lesbians who she knows have a pure heart.
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  • Domoviye wrote:

    peter wrote:

    Ebola wrote: Thoroughly enjoyed it! I was waiting for a Danny piece to come out. Now whats going to be the aftermath of the Coyote dreams?

    And when will Danny/Danica's true weakness be revealed?

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    Oh, lord, there were no cardboard boxes the last time she was in the human realm. How will Wini handle the overpowering urge to crawl into boxes too small for her.


    What Danny wishes he could do to Danica.
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    Out, damnéd Spot! Bad Doggy!
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    Only if it's served on a monorail!

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  • Finally have a chance to comment now that my IP has been unblocked. I just want to say "Poor Danny!" From what I've read, it seems like Wihinape is one of the worst spirits he could have gotten and she seems to be going out of her way to make him bullied more.

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  • Wihinape isn't the worst choice, but she wasn't the best either.
    She really is trying to protect and help Danny, but their ideas of helping clash rather spectacularly.
    Danny is bringing a fair bit of the bullying on himself by how he acts. If he was more assertive, a bit more watchful, and asked for help a bit more he'd probably do alright. But teenage male stubbornness, mixed with his currently very confused feelings are sabotaging him.
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  • If on first being bullied Danny had let out the cat, he'd not be getting bullied anymore (there are easier targets).

    If on first being bullied he'd filled out a complaint to security, and each and every other time after kept complaining, he wouldn't keep getting bullied (there are easier targets).

    Unfortunately Danny made himself the easiest target, he won't hurt them, and he won't complain about them … perfect target.
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  • Phoenix Spiritus wrote: If on first being bullied Danny had let out the cat, he'd not be getting bullied anymore (there are easier targets).

    If on first being bullied he'd filled out a complaint to security, and each and every other time after kept complaining, he wouldn't keep getting bullied (there are easier targets).

    Unfortunately Danny made himself the easiest target, he won't hurt them, and he won't complain about them … perfect target.


    Exactly, for comparison let's look at some other characters and bullies.

    Alyss is getting bullied by girls only, because with the guys at the first sign of trouble, she wraps them up in ribbons. She goes much easier on girls as she doesn't know how to deal with that type of bully.
    So the regular bullies avoid her like the plague while the less common ones who want to avoid physical threats swarm.

    Amy has her bullies but only two of them who picked her because she had the audacity to stand up to them. She's at just the right threat level to make her interesting to bully without usually being a threat.
    However she's not interesting enough for most bullies because she doesn't stand out, actively avoids trouble, and has just enough bite to make her not worth the trouble.

    Mischief would stand out as a possible mark because she is rather childish. But she's also a prankster with powers that make her able to get away easily. A bit of bullying probably did occur, but the retribution was nasty enough to make the bullies leave her alone.

    And finally from Danny and Kayda's stories we have Teri. From Kayda's thoughts in No Place Like Poe, Teri has a reputation as attacking bullies. She went after Buster hard enough to create rumours, and Kayda, who had plenty of her own concerns heard about it well enough to be very cautious.
    And in this story we heard that she had a detention on her first day. When confronted with a bully, she first embarrassed him and then proceeded to pretend she was a lumberjack with his head as the axe.
    So she's certifiably insane with the power and will to back it up. Hardly the target for bullies.

    This isn't to say that these characters are better than Danny, he has his problems and is out of his depth which help explain a lot of his actions. But his spirit isn't directly to blame, even though she plays a part. I'm assuming that Danny's struggle to find his balance and deal with the bullies as well as his own self doubts and fear will be the big part of his story. If dealt with properly (something I believe Elrod will pull off) it will be an interesting journey of self discovery.
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  • As far as getting bullied, it's really up to Danny to prove that he's not a target. Think about it this way, there are students that seem even bigger targets that have turned things around and made bullies think twice about messing with them. Jade, for example. When you look like a tiny 10 year old, you become a target up until you go insane on a bully, pin them to a tree with railroad spikes, and burn a message into their skin with a mithril ring.

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  • Rose Bunny wrote: As far as getting bullied, it's really up to Danny to prove that he's not a target. Think about it this way, there are students that seem even bigger targets that have turned things around and made bullies think twice about messing with them. Jade, for example. When you look like a tiny 10 year old, you become a target up until you go insane on a bully, pin them to a tree with railroad spikes, and burn a message into their skin with a mithril ring.

    Or they are tied up in pretty pink ribbons in a very public place.

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  • Katssun wrote: It's worth noting that Kayda is particularly unsympathetic to Danny's plight because he was pretty bratty and unsympathetic towards her at the time.

    She still defends him when push comes to shove, but the teasing? As far as she's concerned, he deserves all of it. Sending embarrassing photos of "firsts" back to Mom (who Kayda knows has pregnancy mush-brain) just makes things better.

    Kayda clearly cares for her little brother-sister, but to her, this is years worth of comeuppance. It's also worth noting that she's sort of gently steering Danica toward girls like Ros and Angel. Lesbians who she knows have a pure heart.


    It's more like a few weeks worth of comeuppance. Kayda was out of range of Danny's teasing for the vast majority of the year since she turned into a girl. Danny is RIGHT THERE for Kayda to hassle any time she feels the urge. While Kayda is doing a fair bit to make things easier for Danny, I think the time is rapidly approaching if it hasn't already arrived when she needs to drastically tone down or entirely halt her personal participation in teasing Danny. At least as far as his very confused gender identity issues go.
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  • Domoviye wrote: Wihinape isn't the worst choice, but she wasn't the best either.
    She really is trying to protect and help Danny, but their ideas of helping clash rather spectacularly.
    Danny is bringing a fair bit of the bullying on himself by how he acts. If he was more assertive, a bit more watchful, and asked for help a bit more he'd probably do alright. But teenage male stubbornness, mixed with his currently very confused feelings are sabotaging him.

    I would actually compare Danny the most to Kenshin in Gen 2. Both are constantly harassed (innocently and less so), and even accused of the same thing. But where Danny freaks out about it and falls right into his bullies' intentions, Kenshin lets it simply blow past him and basks in the attention of swarms of girls.
    7 years 9 months ago - 7 years 9 months ago #85 by Arcanist Lupus
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  • Danny's response to Whateley (and mutanthood in general) greatly reminds me of Kayda's early days. Yes, her issues were different, but I feel like they have similar ways of (poorly) handling them. Which makes sense, considering that they are siblings.

    "Shared pain is lessened; shared joy, increased — thus do we refute entropy." - Spider Robinson
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  • My personal preference would be the hope that Danny doesn't have as many setbacks as Kayda had. Backsliding could draw this out a bit too long, as I feel it did Kayda. That said, I'm not against the process at all, as it will no doubt be an integral part of Danny's character development. I merely had issue with Kayda's reversions to early behaviour - the latter installments of her sorting things out I very much enjoyed.

    I guess I'm just rambling a little about how some parts are uncomfortable and infuriating to read (for Danny it's his knee-jerk reaction about being thought of as gay, and his spineless attitude regarding the bullies - ditching them in the trees already alleviated the latter significantly). But by no means take this as saying it should be changed. Certainly, I'd say that uncomfortable things are not to be discouraged on the writer's part, and definitely not because an individual commentator would prefer it otherwise.

    So this makes for a good baseline of Danny's time at Whateley. Let us see how it progresses from here.

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  • So... the Mary with Teri in this story isn't Angel ... 'Cause her wings are black? What's her codename? I wonder if both Marys met, and if there is a trend that Marys get wings...

    Well, I got sorta ninja'd.

    Arcanist Lupus wrote: What, so now we have two Marys with angel wings? :D (I was actually going to comment on the new Mary before Domoviye beat me to the punch - I'm very curious to learn more about her, and seeing that picture only makes me more interested.

    Domoviye wrote: Finally, if anyone is wondering what Mary looks like, here she is sans makeup. Her eyes are the proper colour both in the story and in the picture, there's a reason for it.

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    Katssun wrote: Oh ho...she shares a few physical similarities to another freshmen girl, no? (Generally canon by now, showing up in cameo form in a number of places so far, though unnamed.) Color me very, very intrigued.

    And I am now completely convinced that June Franks is a precog. She immediately started calling Wihinape a slut, in a very uncharacteristic way and mean manner for the otherwise loving, understanding, and protective mother of the Franks clan, and now Wihinape just admitted it!


    Betting Dark Winged Mary's codename: Porcelain Angel. But, what are those cracks, and why doesn't it hurt? Hmm... Is her "skin" a shell containing a shadowy entity that's the "real" her? And so her "skin" cracking doesn't matter to her?

    Sorta like a Reverse Greasy?

    Well, given what happens to Danny, yeah, she might be some minor precog?

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  • Cracks were my first thought, but Morpheus already has a crackly porcelain girl in his roster, so I wonder if they might be something else. Maybe instead of missing skin, these are something layered over her skin. Tendrils of whatever her wings are made of, perhaps, or they could be discolored veins. Their patterning and smooth edges do seem organic, and it seems to avoid her joints. That's the opposite of what I'd expect of cracks.

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  • If they are cracks that she usually covers in makeup, she must go through a ton of scar filler makeup!

    Greasy and Jobe really ought to start a cosmetics venture. Have Ayla invest in it.
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  • Digging through micro scenes, Mary's codename is possibly Broken Angel.

    I am trying to find the one where I think its her, but a friend of Teri's before she manifested, got nabbed by an animated mailbox, after getting her MID from the MCO.

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  • Broken Angel Scene : It's gotta be Mary. The description fits too well.

    Possible Preview : Mailbox Snatch. Teri's someone else. The preview is of Miss Powerful...
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  • You guys have been studying.
    Yeah Teri is a very secondary character there. .
    And yeah if you go through the microscenes thread, you'll see almost every potential character I've come up with plus several extra. You can even see the first version of Mary when she was still a vampire but didn't know it.
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  • Looks like Danny might have found a companion soul to attach to with the Japanese girl. They would make a great couple. But then again there's a ton of girls who have their sights set on Danica...So who knows. I still think Danny needs to wisen up and enjoy the slut nature of his spirit a bit more. Make T-Birds Harem look like a small granny circle.

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  • First off. I hate bullies. Boy do I hate bullies. I was a square peg when I was young and only the fact that I was oblivious to most people saved me from some truly vicious bullying. So it rather bothers me that in so many of these stories the bullies seem so unconstrained. Seems is likely the important word. The guys giving Danny so much grief are likely going to go through some serious pain of their own as they go about being wised up by their seniors.

    So that out of the way. I'm becoming very fond of Danny/Danica. Still hoping so see more of full Cougar Danny interacting with the other students. Would love if he had to attend classes now and then in full cougar mode.

    Now I'm going to say something very cruel and vicious. About something happening to Danny, not about the story or author. Just thought I'd clear that up.

    While I have no trouble with Danny sticking with girls, there is a part of me that can't help hope that at some point he will experience being attracted to a male. Not all males, a particular one that for some reason and in some circumstances just clicks that switch and pow, Danny finds out that he has the potential, at least when female, to find a guy hot.

    Tell the truth I belong to the camp that thinks it's a waste to turn into a girl, and then only be interested in other girls. That said I also realize that even if Danny's female body is biologically inclined to heterosexuality, his mind would throw up huge roadblocks and the fact that he is not a girl full time would mean he is not in any real danger of jumping that way.
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  • Peter, while Danny is firmly heterosexual, his spirit has said before that she is most definitely bisexual.
    That is, I'm sure, going to cause problems.

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  • Well, given the totally underwhelming reaction, one pissed fan, a muse that's stubborn, and nonstop mid- to high-level pain for the last several months, increasing for the last several weeks after surgery, I almost wish this hadn't been released. Maybe I need to take a break until things look up - which given my luck will be about the twelfth of never? Can't get motivated to write right now (not that it matters anyway.) Just want pain to go away so I can get more than 4 hrs (at most) sleep a night.

    Maybe EE and Morph can do something more interesting with my characters, because it seems I can't ...

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  • Well, it has been only what, four hours? On a Friday night, yet? Considering that Part 1 had several pages of response, it's a bit soon yet to declare this a dud.

    With that said... I personally don't have a problem with Danny/Danica's sexuality as presented. Danny is currently straight, and still somewhat hostile to the idea of being a part-time girl. So Danica is, for the time being, a lesbian. Key part being "for the time being."

    Simply stated, it's too soon to make definitive pronouncements about Danny's sexuality or gender identity. He may stay entirely straight guy/lesbian girl. He may grow to find some guys attractive, and repress the hell of it. He may grow to embrace bisexuality. He may grow to embrace a bigender identity.(*) He may even become female-dominant -- although I doubt that he would go as far as to turn exclusively attracted to males (gay guy/straight girl), or to reject his male identity. But we, for the most part(*) don't know.

    (*) I say "for the most part" because we had a glimpse of future Danny on "Would the last one..." -- there, Danica seemed rather undistressed by being locked as female for an unknown amount of time, which might even be forever as far as she knew -- which suggests to me that Danny had already reached the point of embracing a bigender identity, even if he didn't realize it consciously.

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  • Danny is still being stubborn about getting help and it is hurting him, however we are seeing some cracks in his personality that open up the good possibility that he will be able to handle things better in the not so distant future.
    And those bullies are really persistent. After a beat down like Dump Truck got, I'd expect them to back off a bit, but I suppose they're still seeing him as an easy target.

    Those are my basic thoughts, but for now I have to get back to work.
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  • *Gives Elrod a cookie and some milk*
    I liked the story very much, don't let the nay-sayers get to you. I'm interested to see where things go with this new development. Danny is getting used to being female. If the combination of aggressive spirit and aggressive lesbians get him liking it too much, I'm intrigued as to what his reaction will be, heck, I want to see Kayda's reaction if Danica starts earning the "Slut-Kitty" moniker.

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  • elrodw wrote: Well, given the totally underwhelming reaction, one pissed fan, a muse that's stubborn, and nonstop mid- to high-level pain for the last several months, increasing for the last several weeks after surgery, I almost wish this hadn't been released. Maybe I need to take a break until things look up - which given my luck will be about the twelfth of never? Can't get motivated to write right now (not that it matters anyway.) Just want pain to go away so I can get more than 4 hrs (at most) sleep a night.

    Maybe EE and Morph can do something more interesting with my characters, because it seems I can't ...


    In case I am being classified as a pissed fan. I'm not. Any story featuring Danny is high on my wish list. There are things I'd like to see happen in regard to his shifting ability. But that does not mean I don't enjoy the heck out of his misadventures as presented.

    People to 'intelligent' animals has always been a favorite subject matter for me, even before I got into Transgender fiction. It's more common in popular fiction for one thing. Some of my favorite books growing up featured that theme. So yeah I'd like to see Danny spending more time as a Cougar.

    But that does bring up a point I've been wondering. He has to change one or two days out of a week into Danica. But does it have to be Danica? Could the same effect hold true if he turned into a full on cougar instead? I think he'd be more comfortable in that body than as a slut kitty at the moment, despite it being female. He would not have the same issues with that body attracting the sort of attention that freaks him out.

    Right now he likely does not even consider that an option, but exposure to some other students, including at least one who's basically a full time animal, might open his eyes to the option. I'm not saying it would not come with a boat load of trouble, that's what would be fun, but he might be tempted to try it at least once without really considering those things.
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  • Somehow, the Three Little Witches got their wells lit!

    Welp. It was nice knowing you! Between this and them, along with Mischief, joining Wondercute, the world will surely not survive the end of the year.

    Let's go see what kind of End-of-the-World party Ayles can lay on.

    I see I'm not the only one who thought this means the apocalypse.

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    7 years 8 months ago #104 by Arcanist Lupus
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  • Now I'm picturing Danny getting spotted running from bullies and getting drafted into the Parkour Hooligans as well.


    Huh. Maybe he should talk to Reach about what it's like to be more badass in your female form. Also what it's like to have a french girlfriend. :evil:


    It's actually kind of weird to realize that absolutely none of Danny's problems are unique - if he knew where to look he could find someone else on campus who is dealing with or has dealt with every problem that he has. Just not all at once.

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  • I haven't gotten a chance to respond yet, so here it goes.

    It's another great story. More of Danny getting bullied, physically by the bullies, and psychologically by the girls, except for Angel. She seems to be one of the few to not be bullying him into anything (beyond a dance and some hugs). Pretty much the rest of the Poe girls, and Wondercute.are just intent on bullying him and getting their way with him. What Danny needs, is to find some male friends, even if they are the Underdogs. Miasma, Fixx, ('Shine is apparently a bad idea), or insane devisors.

    Danny needs to get on a schedule for being Danica, Friday after dinner would seem to be a good time to switch. that means that his first half day is spent mostly sleeping. It would also mean that he isn't showing up to a class one day as Danny and the next as Danica.

    Wihinape needs the "talk" from Mrs. Carson. While Danny is control, Wihinape seems to be able to tune out what is going on.

    Danny needs to talk to Phase, who isn't going to get him all Kitty, about bully avoidance. Eldritch can't give him "detention" for running away. Heckel or Jeckel could though.

    Mrs. Horton needs to stomp down on the girls.

    "Mrs. Horton probably went easy on you on purpose," Tansy said. "From what Lanie told me, she hates bullying as much as anyone on campus, especially her students.


    Yet she is ignoring what is going un under her own roof.


    PS is Diamanta Peggy or Penny? In part 1 she was Penny (although that may just have been Danny mishearing).

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    7 years 8 months ago #106 by mhalpern
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  • I love Danny's reaction to Hank telling him that Ayla has provided Kimba with an impressive amount of research, now if he's saying in general, or impressive for Ayla, that doesn't really matter. I still have to hope that Danny goes more towards the studying french side of things, if only because with Amelie it isn't just about any of Pounce's looks

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  • Given that Jade seems convinced that Danny needs to join the "Wondercute Prime" team, I'd much rather see him with the Cutettes. Abra, Clover, and Pally in the back field, Mischief and Pounce in the midfield, and someone like Ribbon in the front? That's a pretty well balanced team. If they could get Knockoff for the front row, or also include the rest of Melissa's friends, that could be a pretty nasty team.

    I don't know why Jade wants Danny so bad, other than for selfish, personal reasons.

    Love that Melissa was able to call out Jade that she saw Danny first. Because she totally did.

    The yarn thing was totally cruel to Danica, and I'm glad Cindy and Christina were able to apologize. The different side to Christina, who isn't a total bitch like she comes off around Martina and Alyss, is both confusing and nice. I still kinda hate her, but...I also want to see a lot more of her two sides now, since she has more depth than that dumbass Aegis.

    But if Danny/Danica is a quick fix for Downpour, who seems to love animals, maybe they can convince Danny to humiliate himself from time to time when she's at her worst.

    Koizumi Miki is an interesting case. Danny is definitely deceiving her, pretending to be two different kitties. But it was also depressing that Miki was apparently only able to find herself driving to porn and prostitution in Japan. Not even like a pop idol option? It makes me wonder what her background is that her options were limited to such a degree that it became that much of a sore spot for her.

    Ultimately, like sister, like brother. Danny's too stubborn and embarrassed by what he is, that he puts himself in a position that only makes it worse.

    Holding out on Danica time, even knowing that if his body is forced into it, the changes become more permanent?

    Assuming that advice is actually an insult? Back home, girls were constantly drawn to your effeminate but very trim and cut male form. You are repeatedly put on landscaping duty, worry that girls won't be attracted to you unless you are a slut-kitty, and when someone tells you to do your detention with your shirt off, you say YES!

    Argh, Danny's just as frustrating as his sister! Of course, I want to know how Danny's metal woes eventually lead him to be plastered in the tunnels after he meets 'Shine. Danny, like Kayda, are the type of characters you can't help but get caught up in because they're written well. We gripe about their decisions because we care about them.
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  • Katssun wrote: But if Danny/Danica is a quick fix for Downpour, who seems to love animals, maybe they can convince Danny to humiliate himself from time to time when she's at her worst.


    I don't remember in which story exactly but it has been mentioned that he had done exactly that. Ok, maybe not the humiliation part because I don't think it was intended at such (it was not shown, only talked about if I recall correctly but I think I read it more as an intimate thing and thus something that would make him less ashame of letting himself getting petted). I think it was in a R&R story ?

    Back to the matter at hand : I found the story really touching.

    I think I had already talked about it some months ago, but while I understand that teenagers can be teenagers, this kind of teasing need to have limits and I think you found the perfect turning point. Yes the cat-prank was going too far and was done in bad taste, but they understood it right away and it will make them grow. Those scenes really are the one that have left the strongest impression on me regarding this story, so as far as I can tell it's a win in my book.
    7 years 8 months ago #109 by Domoviye
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  • One scene I really liked was meeting Wondercute. It has the uncontrolled enthusiasm, weirdness and impossible to follow chain of topic I'd expect from them, and how my own daughter talks when excited.
    It caught them perfectly.

    And I agree with Esar, you found the right place to show the pranks going too far and being stopped. Things should be a bit easier for Danny now that they know there are limits.
    7 years 8 months ago - 7 years 8 months ago #110 by Dpragan
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  • Still reading, was worried about the site yesterday all the changes.

    Did I just notice the TLW's Joining Wonder-cute as a Cadet team? (Are some of them Freshmen now?)

    Finished: Oh yeah Danny's got Harem Syndrome BAAAAAD!!!

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  • elrodw wrote: Well, given the totally underwhelming reaction,


    You did notice the board changes, yeah? That's guaranteed to cut down on the overnight release hits.

    elrodw wrote: one pissed fan,


    Visceral reactions usually mean you accomplished something artful.

    elrodw wrote: a muse that's stubborn, and nonstop mid- to high-level pain for the last several months, increasing for the last several weeks after surgery,


    Is the pain supposed to be increasing? I doubt the lack of sleep is helping your mood, your muse, or you in the long run.

    elrodw wrote: Maybe EE and Morph can do something more interesting with my characters, because it seems I can't ...


    Maybe, maybe not, but that sounds more like a whole lot of pain and frustration talking. As far as having other authors offer their take on the character, I'd think that success at that would largely depend on the characters they bring with them - and how they'd interact with Danny/Danica's personality, unique situation, and baggage.


    Back to the story. It was good to see more of Danny's viewpoint, because it illustrates just how bad his situation is. Except for Tansy, Kayda's crowd doesn't have experience being bullied the way Danny is. To Wondercute, he seems more destined to be a mascot than someone who belongs with them, and I doubt the girls understand yet that while they can provide physical support against bullies, they really can't provide the emotional and social support that a male-gendered boy needs to get from guys his own age (and which I can only assume that Hank got from Ayla and the Grunts)

    I can picture Danny and 'Shine getting to talking about it really sucks to have so many people going around free to make other folks' lives miserable for no damned reason, but (speaking as someone whose liver was built by German engineering to Scottish specs) a nice Upper Midwestern Lakota boy sitting down to a little social drinking with a Scots-Irish boy from southern Appalachia is a train-wreck waiting to happen.

    Mind you, it's easy to like Danny. I suspect it's not at all easy to write stories which present him with problems that require him to grow in order to overcome them, without running straight into issues that readers and the author may have a visceral reaction to.

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    7 years 8 months ago - 7 years 8 months ago #112 by Hardric
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  • First, I hope you'll get better soon. Frustration and lack of inspiration can be a pain, so don't try to force the issue. Takes some time off if you need it.

    Now for the story... I like Danny and the way his story is bound to go, and frankly, I fouundd the way he fled Wondercute along other stories of Year 2 funny. But now I see he only does that, and the way the Poe girls behave around him... I get an impression of emotional bullying, with all these people, although they usually don't look malicious, to think somehow along the lines of 'You will be what we want you to be, toy'. I know Danny is overreacting at some points and making questionnable decisions, but the way all these girls literally crash into his personal space without seemingly giving a duck about how he feels about that ruffles some feathers here.

    I think people should make their own choice, and you should respect them. Danny clearly choose to stay a boy as much as possible, and the way Wondercute wants him as a mascot, the way the lesbian girl are attracted to Danica... Sure, he does profit at some point, but it still feels like nobody gives a duck about the way he feels and just bulldozers their way in his life, with a few exceptions, like Tansy. And during this they don't talk about Danny Franks, but that cute mascot for their club, or this gorgeous girl he doesn't want to be... I absolutely trust you about the fact these issues will get adressed along the lines, but on the moment they irk (the evils of having a story pieces by pieces). I am most interested by where the story will go though, especially given the way his opinion about the changes he goes through. PoVs with opinions similar to Ayla are pretty rare, if memory serves me right.

    Still, how the heck do bullies keep popping when they get so regularly trounced and humiliated? It baffles me how they can continue when they get constantly foiled, most often than not pretty hard. (But that's more of a personal peeve about Whateley's Security. I know that makes for more interesting stories an all, but that's still a bit... off when on some stories they'll be on ball, and in other come juust when they need to be there to get at the protagonists. And sometimes you get the impression bullies could beat up someone in front of Kane and just get away with it without breaking a sweat).
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  • Hardric wrote: Still, how the heck do bullies keep popping when they get so regularly trounced and humiliated? It baffles me how they can continue when they get constantly foiled, most often than not pretty hard. (But that's more of a personal peeve about Whateley's Security. I know that makes for more interesting stories an all, but that's still a bit... off when on some stories they'll be on ball, and in other come juust when they need to be there to get at the protagonists. And sometimes you get the impression bullies could beat up someone in front of Kane and just get away with it without breaking a sweat).

    Didn't one of the POV characters, or maybe Zenith, call this very issue out before?

    Whateley ends up with a disproportionate number of bullies because in addition to regular bullies occasionally manifesting, new bullies are born from students who were previously bullied themselves, and get power drunk on their newfound abilities post-manifestation, and want to reclaim some control they never used to have.

    Why would they give up being jerks, if the POV characters don't give up in general just because they get threatened a few times?

    As for Security, they have a lot on their plate already. We end up with a more limited view, and not all the times they keep the real nasty things from getting to the center of campus, or the times a guard gives a student the evil eye and nothing happens.
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  • Katssun wrote: Didn't one of the POV characters, or maybe Zenith, call this very issue out before?


    In what story did she bring that up? Can't remember it on the spot.

    As for Security, they have a lot on their plate already. We end up with a more limited view, and not all the times they keep the real nasty things from getting to the center of campus, or the times a guard gives a student the evil eye and nothing happens.


    That's the reason I talked about a peeve there. It feels a bit like a roller-coaster of reactions, but yeah, they're on this nexus of class X nasties. Actually, I think they must welcome dealing with bullying sometimes compared to tother potential problems which could crop up.
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  • Katssun wrote: Didn't one of the POV characters, or maybe Zenith, call this very issue out before?


    It was Ayla after the Kimba revenge-pranked Peeper. He got summoned in Carson office and put his hand in the beartrap as he called it at the time : he told Carson that he suspected that their laxness regarding bullying was something that they were doing on purpose (because it's a recent thing, they were far more strict before) because they had a plan or at least a goal.

    Carson acknowledged it without saying it outright and warned Ayla that she didn't want him to dig deeper or meddle with their possible plans.
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  • Have been watching the anime Rin-ni.

    Comedy about a poor human/shikgami and his Black Cat contractor/kitten.

    In order to get a better price on tools the kitten, Rokumon, decides to take the Black Cat level up test.

    Now here is why I thought of this when I read this story. One of the practical test has the candidates walking across a room to pull a string to lift their boss's scythe out of a pit of scythe eating hell beetles.

    Only problem. The room is littered with things like Cat Toys, cardboard boxes, etc.

    Rokumon is doing well till he gets to the table covered in free fresh fish.

    So even magical death cats have trouble resisting cat toys.
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  • "This is Paige, and she will be your mentor in all things feline."


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    7 years 8 months ago #118 by mittfh
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  • Poor Danny! Currently, it seems as though he's DOOOOOMMMMMEEEED, yet we know that he somehow manages to survive Whateley and not end up as Danica full time (I'd imagine that by Gen2, he'd still be living on the family farm - after all, it would be rather difficult to live in an urban area with having to spend 2 days a week as Danica). As hinted at one point in this update, if he can find someone sensible to accompany him on a shopping trip, he'd be able to purchase some more modest / comfortable clothes for Danica. He may also discover how to book the basement hot tubs to de-stress - although of course may be rather selective over who he invites down, as at least half the cottage would very much like to join him :)

    Given the latest experience with Security, it would be prudent for him to learn where all the restricted areas are - maybe even eventually he'll be able to visit the Medawihla Tribe (perhaps arranged via The Nations or Charlie Lodgeman) - after all, it would be useful to get used to the full Wihinape cougar form since he'll be having plenty of time in his other three forms on campus.

    Sidenote: it'll be interesting to see if/when Toni invents a nickname for Wihinape (following on from Unga-Bunga and Walkie-Talkie) - although of course she won't be encountering Danny as much as Nikki or Kayda, being in the same wing of the same floor, it's likely they'll meet relatively frequently (as well as the rest of TK - although no doubt he'd prefer to do so on occasions when Jade and Bunny are otherwise occupied...)

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  • Just a wild thought. Now that Danny is in the same cottage as Feral. I'm curious how that would turn out. Since kitties can be extremely territorial. What about Miyet? I'm sure Bast can sense Wihinape a mile away. Would she be curious? Or rather blase' about it. " Eh another cat girl..." Some points to ponder.

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  • Domoviye wrote: Danny is still being stubborn about getting help and it is hurting him, however we are seeing some cracks in his personality that open up the good possibility that he will be able to handle things better in the not so distant future.
    And those bullies are really persistent. After a beat down like Dump Truck got, I'd expect them to back off a bit, but I suppose they're still seeing him as an easy target.

    Those are my basic thoughts, but for now I have to get back to work.


    Nothing emboldens a bully like the backing of authority. The one time Danny effectively fought back, he got in trouble for it. Not saying it was wrong, he was totally out of control and on the verge of murder, and influence from a spirit is not an excuse, but it doesn't change the facts. As far as the bullies are concerned, Danny is not allowed to fight back. That's actually more effective than an official proclamation that it's open season on Danny for bullying, because bullies don't pay attention to official proclamations.
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  • @Elrod: I know that period right after posting a story can be pretty stressful, but give us some time to read. I'm often a day or two behind. Friday releases are usually more convenient for me to read on Saturday night after I get home from D&D, and in the summer I usually read the Monday releases on Tuesday at the free weekly jazz concerts Knoxville has.

    This update was good, and there were some really great lines. I especially liked the phrase "Danny instincts," the bit when the TLWs said "We're ready," and Wihinape's insistence that she knows about moose. The interactions with Leanne were great, as was the ball of yarn. I liked the contrast between Cindy and Christine after the assembly in how they reacted to Danny and Downpour. Lunch with Wondercute and formation of the Cutettes was fun. And I was happy to see that Danny might be starting to get through to a few people that they're severely annoying him.

    Domoviye wrote: And those bullies are really persistent. After a beat down like Dump Truck got, I'd expect them to back off a bit, but I suppose they're still seeing him as an easy target.

    I don't think they are. Dumb Schmuck tried to 1v1 Danny and nearly died. He didn't try that again; he called in his buddies to make it a 4v1. Even then, he still flinched when Danny reminded him of what happened before. So at this point, I think they've moved beyond viewing him as an easy target. Now it's a personal vendetta.

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    7 years 8 months ago #122 by Kaitha39
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  • Kettlekorn wrote: @Elrod: I know that period right after posting a story can be pretty stressful, but give us some time to read. I'm often a day or two behind. Friday releases are usually more convenient for me to read on Saturday night after I get home from D&D, and in the summer I usually read the Monday releases on Tuesday at the free weekly jazz concerts Knoxville has..

    Similarly, I didn't finish reading until Sunday 14:45GMT, since I don't have a "week" in the conventional sense. Zero-hour contracts mean I usually work both days of the weekend. So don't get too disheartened if it takes a few days.

    Katssun wrote: worry that girls won't be attracted to you unless you are a slut-kitty,

    To be fair to Danny, one of the most hurtful things the lesbians could have said to someone in Danny's position has been said repeatedly; They don't want him. They want her. Given that Danny doesn't do any mental changes (as in, Danica's mind is still Danny's mind) then when he finally blows up about the emotional abuse, he's pretty well justified to be like "You don't care about me as a person. I'm just a sack of Cat-GSD flesh to you."
    And part of the skill of Elrod's writing with these siblings is how much I can't wait to see that explosion. It's so maddening to see these well-written teenage characters be so submissive about the non-malicious abuse they're taking (Kayda from Ros, Danica from all the lesbians.)

    In terms of criticism for the story, I have two little points:
    1) In the fight between Wondercute and the bullies, you typo Clover's dog from "Button's" to "Buster". It was a little confusing since you name the four bullies present and Buster wasn't one of them.
    2) In the hot-tub scene, I'm just wondering if there's a reason you're being coy with which girls they are. Is this hiding-suspense or being narratively-secretive? Is this saying Danica is two-timing his threesome buddies Cindy and Christine for another threesome? Is it Cindy and Christine but he's still too pissed at them to assign them names!?! Is it something else entirely! Will we find out in part three or four!?!?! Enquiring minds wish to know! ^_^

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  • Well, given that FIN at the end, it seems like this is the end of Danny1.

    Nice expansions of scenes we saw from a different perspective!

    And that initial meeting with all of Wondercute! Lol!

    ... Interesting how Danny teases Hank when sedated... What does it mean about his sexuality / self-preception / etc?

    Woah. Japanese Catgirl is new character we've never seen before? Interesting!

    Danny would be helped out a lot more with an Empath near him, but the only one he knows is Tansy, who's not near him enough to be useful.

    Good to see he's adapting to his situation by the end...

    And there's a lot more to talk about, but I've spent too long just lurking, so might as well say something.

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  • Kaitha39 wrote: And part of the skill of Elrod's writing with these siblings is how much I can't wait to see that explosion. It's so maddening to see these well-written teenage characters be so submissive about the non-malicious abuse they're taking (Kayda from Ros, Danica from all the lesbians.)

    Ros was not abusing Kayda, maliciously or otherwise. Kayda might have taken it as teasing that occasionally went over the line, but remember that everything Ros did to Kayda, Debra asked her to do.

    Debra wanted someone to watch over Kayda, make her feel wanted and attractive because Debra knew that was one of Kayda's big hangups, and then needed someone to execute the master plan of Debra and June Franks on Kayda's birthday.

    Ros definitely got the worst out of her interaction with Kayda, heartbroken again. :cry:

    Danny, in contrast, is definitely being teased to the point of abuse. Kayda's doing it too, even though she will defend him when she thinks actual harm is going on. Thankfully, the girls around him are recognizing that they're going too far. Angel and Ros are hanging off him, and not teasing him. Angel in particular is actually delighted that she can hang around him when he's male!
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    How might Wihinape react to Grizzly??


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  • Malady wrote: Well, given that FIN at the end, it seems like this is the end of Danny1.

    Nice expansions of scenes we saw from a different perspective!

    And that initial meeting with all of Wondercute! Lol!

    ... Interesting how Danny teases Hank when sedated... What does it mean about his sexuality / self-preception / etc?

    Woah. Japanese Catgirl is new character we've never seen before? Interesting!

    Danny would be helped out a lot more with an Empath near him, but the only one he knows is Tansy, who's not near him enough to be useful.

    Good to see he's adapting to his situation by the end...

    And there's a lot more to talk about, but I've spent too long just lurking, so might as well say something.

    Spirit + Host disagreements are always interesting.


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    Cody has an out with the TLW. He said he would pin them when the three of them are Freshmen. Since Clover is only in 8th grade, it will only occur if the 8th graders become Freshmen before the Freshmen become Sophomores. Or some other event makes Clover a Freshman.

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  • Katssun wrote: Ros was not abusing Kayda, maliciously or otherwise. Kayda might have taken it as teasing that occasionally went over the line, but remember that everything Ros did to Kayda, Debra asked her to do.

    I take issue with the implication that because Debra instigated it everything is automatically okay. Debra is no more infallible than anyone else.

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  • A lot of the girls in Poe are there because the like the Danica body over the Danny body. A few may like both. The girls who will favor the Danny form will not be in Poe except the mtf changelings. They do need to learn back off of people who are making unwanted changes like Danny.
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  • Since slut kitty is going to be teaching Danny stuff. I think one of the lessons she needs to teach is how to get what he want's using other peoples desires against them. Starting with the lesbian wing. They want time with Danica...Fine. Quid pro quo.

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    7 years 8 months ago #130 by Malady
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  • Yolandria wrote: Since slut kitty is going to be teaching Danny stuff. I think one of the lessons she needs to teach is how to get what he want's using other peoples desires against them. Starting with the lesbian wing. They want time with Danica...Fine. Quid pro quo.


    He could get Favors, but for immediate things, he could get Gadgets, Money, etc... Hmm...

    Avatars might all be magical to a degree, but Spellcasting Danny using TLW Spells like his sister does might not get to be a thing, sadly.
    7 years 8 months ago #131 by Kettlekorn
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  • E. E. Nalley wrote:

    Malady wrote:
    How might Wihinape react to Grizzly??


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  • Malady wrote: Avatars might all be magical to a degree, but Spellcasting Danny using TLW Spells like his sister does might not get to be a thing, sadly.


    Powers Testing could be enlightening - apart from enhanced senses, we haven't seen much evidence yet of useful powers/abilities in his three human forms. If he does have any magical affinity, learning to create and infuse with magic his sister's herbal tea recipe could be a useful start (after all, she's shared the recipe with the TLW/Cutettes - who, of course, will be able to make more powerful brews now their wells are lit...)

    Thinking of the Cutettes, the exact wording was "Come to the Rush Party when you’re all Freshmen and come see me and I’ll pin you in myself. " Pally's a Freshman this year [2007-08], Clover will be next year [2008-09], but the Wiki doesn't mention how old Abra is. So they're not all going to be Freshmen at the same time - so depending on how literally the Contract interprets the wording, either (a) it's not valid since the conditions [all Freshmen] can't be met [1], (b) they all get pinned together when the youngest is a Freshman [so possibly 2008-09], or (c) they get pinned individually: Pally gets pinned now, possibly Abra is she's the same age, and Clover next year, possibly Abra if she's Clover's age.

    If the Contract is considered valid, it may have helped create the conditions for Cody to stay on at Whateley this year (and possibly next as well)...

    [1] Is it possible for conditions to be set in a Sorceror's Contract that have no chance of being met? If so, what happens to the obligations put on the party they apply to - do they get punished for failing to achieve the impossible, or are they effectively absolved from fulfilling their part of the contract?

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    7 years 8 months ago - 7 years 8 months ago #133 by Malady
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  • ^ whateleyacademy.net/index.php/forum/the-...read?start=870#20139 :

    E. E. Nalley wrote: And Cody shouldn't be there either because he should've graduated. But all of a sudden he has repeat the year through no fault of his own. And you have trouble believing that somehow they have enough credits to skip a year?

    You think that's air you're breathing?


    ...

    Also, Pally and Abra are both Froshes now, in 2007-2008.
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  • Malady wrote: Also, Pally and Abra are both Froshes.


    So that's that sorted - given the Wiki doesn't mention Abra's age, if you can dig up a reference, we can add it to her page.
    Just thinking back to my musing about the Contract - dpeending on what's in them and their wording, can Sorceror's Contracts have ripples on the universe (either directly or indirectly), or is it purely up to the two parties to fulfill them (without influencing any third parties not directly mentioned or implied in the Contract)?

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  • Katssun wrote:

    Kaitha39 wrote: And part of the skill of Elrod's writing with these siblings is how much I can't wait to see that explosion. It's so maddening to see these well-written teenage characters be so submissive about the non-malicious abuse they're taking (Kayda from Ros, Danica from all the lesbians.)

    Ros was not abusing Kayda, maliciously or otherwise. Kayda might have taken it as teasing that occasionally went over the line, but remember that everything Ros did to Kayda, Debra asked her to do.

    Debra wanted someone to watch over Kayda, make her feel wanted and attractive because Debra knew that was one of Kayda's big hangups, and then needed someone to execute the master plan of Debra and June Franks on Kayda's birthday.

    Ros definitely got the worst out of her interaction with Kayda, heartbroken again. :cry:

    Danny, in contrast, is definitely being teased to the point of abuse. Kayda's doing it too, even though she will defend him when she thinks actual harm is going on. Thankfully, the girls around him are recognizing that they're going too far. Angel and Ros are hanging off him, and not teasing him. Angel in particular is actually delighted that she can hang around him when he's male!


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    Arcanist Lupus wrote:

    Katssun wrote: Ros was not abusing Kayda, maliciously or otherwise. Kayda might have taken it as teasing that occasionally went over the line, but remember that everything Ros did to Kayda, Debra asked her to do.

    I take issue with the implication that because Debra instigated it everything is automatically okay. Debra is no more infallible than anyone else.


    Let's offer a little enlightenment.
    a) Remember that Kayda had not only just been rejected by her home-down, they'd raped and tried to kill her. Self-confidence-wise, Kayda was really, really low. Ros' direction was to make Kayda feel accepted, normal, and desireable. Ros let her OWN feelings get the better of her. It wasn't okay, it wasn't on Debra's orders, it wasn't planned. Ros got attracted to Kayda, and then got burned when her heart got broken.

    Danny is getting a bit of payback from being a brat all of his life, but Kayda knows where to draw the line. As the interaction become more with his own wing and less with big sis, Danny will have to deal with some teasing and pranking by his fellow freshmen Poesies. Abusive? No more than normal kid pranks. Kayda's doing? Nope. And so far, HIS group seems to have more sense than Ros displayed; they knew they stepped over a line, and they went looking for him to apologize. Then some of the freshmen girls added a little hot-tub kissing to their apology. (If you want to know who, stay tuned for Danny 2).

    As to being submissive, he's a sucker for a pretty face - like when they talked him into going to the all-school assembly as Danica. That's not abusive; that's normal male teenage hormones. He wises up a lot quicker than Kayda did - realizing he would have been teasing too if the situation had been reversed, and let them apologize. And in the hot tub, recall what Wihinape said to him and what his reaction was. There's a point at which it becomes less THEM taking advantage of HIM, and more HIM taking advantage of THEM.

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  • As someone who knows less than a quarter of what Elrod is planning for Danny, all I can say is trust him you won't be disappointed.
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  • Domoviye wrote: As someone who knows less than a quarter of what Elrod is planning for Danny, all I can say is trust him you won't be disappointed.


    Woah. That's one big seal of approval!

    ... "less than a quarter"... Idle phrasing... Or measured statement that I can base calculations of some sort around... Hmm... *shrugs*
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  • Malady wrote:

    Domoviye wrote: As someone who knows less than a quarter of what Elrod is planning for Danny, all I can say is trust him you won't be disappointed.


    Woah. That's one big seal of approval!

    ... "less than a quarter"... Idle phrasing... Or measured statement that I can base calculations of some sort around... Hmm... *shrugs*

    Take it for what you will. 87.252% of the time, I like to attach arbitrary percentages to things, myself.

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  • elrodw wrote: a) Remember that Kayda had not only just been rejected by her home-down, they'd raped and tried to kill her. Self-confidence-wise, Kayda was really, really low. Ros' direction was to make Kayda feel accepted, normal, and desireable. Ros let her OWN feelings get the better of her. It wasn't okay, it wasn't on Debra's orders, it wasn't planned. Ros got attracted to Kayda, and then got burned when her heart got broken.


    Wasn't there a little bit of psychic manipulation mixed in there as well, pushing Ros over the edge?

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  • Malady wrote:

    Domoviye wrote: As someone who knows less than a quarter of what Elrod is planning for Danny, all I can say is trust him you won't be disappointed.


    Woah. That's one big seal of approval!

    ... "less than a quarter"... Idle phrasing... Or measured statement that I can base calculations of some sort around... Hmm... *shrugs*


    I just don't want people getting the wrong idea of how much I know. What I've heard I like, but there's a lot I don't know. However the direction it's going towards has me very happy.
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  • mittfh wrote: Just thinking back to my musing about the Contract - dpeending on what's in them and their wording, can Sorceror's Contracts have ripples on the universe (either directly or indirectly), or is it purely up to the two parties to fulfill them (without influencing any third parties not directly mentioned or implied in the Contract)?


    Depends on the power and gravitas that the two parties bring to bear, and how serious the undertaking is.

    Three not-insignificant witches holding an obligation from the Avatar of a Duke of the Five-Fold Court, and none of them with the knowledge to distribute or exchange either end of the debt? By the time that party rolls around they'll either all be freshman or somehow otherwise meet the equivalent technicalities to be pinned. In fact, I think that the easiest route to meeting the technicality has already been shown in "What's New Pussycat?".

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    7 years 8 months ago #142 by annachie
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  • Domoviye wrote: As someone who knows less than a quarter of what Elrod is planning for Danny, all I can say is trust him you won't be disappointed.



    Oh I don't know. I have some pretty unrealistic expectations. :twisted:
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