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Question Murphy's Laws of Spirits

5 years 11 months ago #1 by Dreamer
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  • A new tale begins, by E.E. Nalley, Elrod W., and Joe Gunnarson. So read, enjoy, and please comment.

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    5 years 11 months ago #2 by Apple3141
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  • I thought Murphy might meet a Keelut in the Astral planes, but a moose/bear in a warped realm will certainly do.

    Now I just have find the patience to calmly wait for the next installment.

    PS A great laying of groundwork. I really want to see where this goes.
    5 years 11 months ago #3 by XaltatunOfAcheron
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  • Nice start. I wonder what Mrs. Carson is going to do when she finds that Kayda is already on the hunt. And is that blank spell-book going to be any use - it almost looks like (probably) Nimbus anticipated it and has a dummy prepared.
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    Below is a stream of conscious commentary I type up as I read the story. There will be details from the story included in it. If you have not read the story yet and don't wish to have details of it spoiled, read no further.

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    5 years 11 months ago #5 by E. E. Nalley
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  • Dreamer wrote: Kayda in her combat Costume for her Coyote identity Tansy helped her make, now I want a description of it.


    Huh, I went to quote the description of her outfit from its first appearance in Tears and Fears, but found it wasn't there. In all the heavy rewrites it underwent, that description got lost on the editing room floor. So, here it is:

    There were only three normal looking human beings in the compartment, herself, her good friend Kayda Franks, currently dressed in outfit that would be more at home on the prairie of over a hundred years ago, what appeared to be a set of buckskin trousers and a simple tunic, both elaborately decorated in geometric patterns which meant nothing to Tansy. It was crowned by what looked like the skinned head of a wolf whose mouth opened to show a war painted face and a domino mask and the fur ran down to the tunic, but Tansy wasn't fooled. Everything was really made of Kevra and would stop most handgun rounds and a fair number of rifle ones.


    I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it.
    Thomas Jefferson, to Archibald Stuart, 1791
    5 years 11 months ago #6 by null0trooper
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  • Dreamer wrote: Ouch, the lyrics at the beginning, that is pain.

    Meanwhile, I was looking up:

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    Hartford says for everyone to back away and calls in Bluejay.


    Haven't seen Jay in a long time. I wonder how the rest of his senior year is going.

    Dreamer wrote: I hope Maggie's Book of Shadows gives a clue on how to get Murphy's spirit back.


    There's an original copy, somewhere.
    Then there's Lifeline's copy, known to be missing.

    Eldritch's comment leads me to suspect that Maggie's reproduction won't match either one. HM is sure to know as much about exemplar memory as he does about subtle misdirection.

    Dreamer wrote: And Maggie frantically looking for her Book of Shadows, believing the elixir shouldn't have harmed Murphy. And of course the last pages are now blank, she got played by TWFKAH's former master.


    The last pages left are blank, but:

    All Hallows Ball wrote: He couldn't read it, but that didn't matter, Nimbus had shown him what it would look like. He found the pages of the book of shadows that matched what he had memorized. It wasn't exact, of course, it had been done in her handwriting, but the required symbols were exactly as Nimbus had shown him, from the original he had arranged for her to find. Ed smiled as he ripped them out of the book, then he put it back in the hidden compartment and closed it.


    Let's see how long it takes for them to realize there are missing pages torn from one of the folios. They've probably been destroyed already, but it's one of those details - a deviance from expected practice - that should point to there being a third party involved. One of the adults should have realized by now that Lifeline couldn't have cooked her brew up in the bathroom sink.

    Dreamer wrote: Hhm, Delarose hit on something there, did Murphy's strange luck make her take the potioned drink or did HM somehow gave her a compulsion to?


    Betting on the late Irish Optimist, myself.

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    That and Eldritch can look at the nastier wards around campus and only suffer a skull-splitting migraine for her trouble.”

    Oh crud, didn't even think of that, HM could have booby-trapped the text itself.


    If that had happened, Maggie would already be pushing up daisies from opening the book up to her latest working.

    Delarose does have reason to be worried that Maggie might booby-trap the spell that she's writing in the completely new book that Nimbus has never been in contact with.

    Dreamer wrote: Maggie submits to having her magic sealed with a necklace by Circe, and yikes! The sensation she gets from just touching it, is that what all Wiz-type mutants feel touching something which seals their magic? And it is an artifact even, dang.


    It didn't strike me as the sort of thing a student normally slaps together for a class credit. I'm hoping she gets it back to Circe in time for a certain other student to wear it!

    Dreamer wrote: 6 hours before the physical changes from the BIT imposition is complete, ouch. Mandrake root shouldn't have done this to Murphy, great, Mystic always complicates things.


    Tropane alkaloid poisoning usually gives the victim plenty of time for psychotropic nightmares and regret.

    Dreamer wrote:

    Foyer, Dickinson Cottage, Whateley Academy

    Adam leading Prue back to Dickinson, couples making out, Sahar standing by Mrs. Nelson's apartment. Ah, Mrs. Neslon over at Whitman covering for Mrs. Savage, Mrs. Selkirk took the night off, and Mrs. Nelson left Sahar in charge. That explains all the couples, Sahar relaxing the rules while the House Mothers are away. And Prue asking Adam to escort her to her dorm room, oh boy.


    That was pretty shrewd on Semi's part: none of those couples can be expected to be gossiping and starting wild rumors about what did or didn't go down.

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    “There is a place,” Wakan Tanka told her softly. “It has many names. Valhalla. Folkvang. Hel. Sheol. Tien. Xibalba. Hades. Tian or Diyo. Most religions have the same concept - a place of eternal reward or eternal punishment. In the Tradition of your Headmistress it is called the Tabula Rasa.”

    Interesting, one place with so many different names. No Spirit knows what lies beyond, whoa. The departed drawn to it and will never return, no! That place and the thought of Kayda entering it, never thought I would see Wakan Tanka that scared.


    If no Spirit knows what lies beyond, how can she be so sure it's only one place?

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    5 years 11 months ago #7 by Katssun
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  • It's very interesting that everyone is against this except Five Fold Court spiritual advisers, and in their case they just don't know what to do. The whole magic department including Circe herself, Wakan Tanka, you name it. They admit something isn't quite right, so they very reluctantly agree to allow the rescue to move forward.

    Even on Chef Marcel's worst day his cooking was preferable to the bland, humorless hospital food of Doyle Medical Center's cafeteria.
    ...
    They were poking at pair of unimaginative sandwiches and under cooked potatoes that had been 'air' fried within an inch of their lives.

    One of you three on the byline have become quite familiar with health care facilities of some kind...
    5 years 11 months ago #8 by Mister D
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  • XaltatunOfAcheron wrote: Nice start. I wonder what Mrs. Carson is going to do when she finds that Kayda is already on the hunt. And is that blank spell-book going to be any use - it almost looks like (probably) Nimbus anticipated it and has a dummy prepared.


    If you catch the end of the previous story, you'll see that Nimbus had a catspaw remove the spell pages from Finson's storage.

    ie. Nimbus was preparing for this eventuality.

    It'll be interesting to see what else they had prepared as traps for the unwary... :D


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    5 years 11 months ago #9 by XaltatunOfAcheron
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  • Well, yeah. I knew that. Having prepared for one contingency does not mean he prepared for the other,
    5 years 11 months ago - 5 years 11 months ago #10 by Malady
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  • Mmm... Yeah, is Lifeline's super-concentrated writing, mystical, or just an high-level Exemplar at the real top of their game, and freaking out the norms?

    Even Circe is freaked, though... So, hmm... But she's still not an EX...
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  • Malady wrote: Mmm... Yeah, is Lifeline's super-concentrated writing, mystical, or just an high-level Exemplar at the real top of their game, and freaking out the norms?

    Even Circe is freaked, though... So, hmm... But she's still not an EX...


    Also remember that she's a member of the Lit-Chix, so working with text, and languages, would be one of her personal specialities.


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  • Who's with me on the "Murphy is going to come back WRONG! if she comes back at all ."?

    I am a caffeine heathen; I prefer the waters of the mountain over the juice of the bean. Keep the Dews coming and no one will be hurt.
    5 years 11 months ago #13 by E. E. Nalley
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  • Cryptic wrote: Who's with me on the "Murphy is going to come back WRONG! if she comes back at all ."?


    You think Murphy now is RIGHT? :evil:

    I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it.
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  • Cryptic wrote: Who's with me on the "Murphy is going to come back WRONG! if she comes back at all ."?

    Murphy comes back physically as a BIT Mangled horror...but her dream journey on the Astral plane resolves most of her mental scars and she is brought back to realm of the living as a model student and the embodiment of Sweetness and Light.

    Helpful, caring, follows the rules and encourages others to do so as well. For the remainder of the school year, she is frequently seen at the entrance of Administration, rebuffed by Ms. Hartford and Mrs. Shugendo for constantly volunteering to help them with whatever they need.
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  • Lifeline's compulsive writing is quite suspicious. I could see Mythic Arts testing to see if she was under a compulsion and finding nothing. However, the Mythic Arts department is now aware of the Mythos compulsions after the experience with Skybolt and Cavalier. Depending on the nature of the compulsion, I could see another adventure by Los Tres Amigas into Lifeline's dreamscape, a la Whilst Any Speaks once mission Murphy is complete. Naturally, the fact that Lifeline has had her magic sealed away (Like Kayda's was) would prevent Kayda from using essence as a contrast medium to detect the mythos taint (as she did with Skybolt). This sealing could also make it more difficult to enter Lifeline's dreamspace.

    Another passing thought on the topic of Mythos compulsion is a possible cause for the failure that TWFKAH had when attempting to enslave Fey. What if the ritual that places the compulsion requires exactly 3 people to be involved in the ritual ('rule of three'), but HM neglected to inform TWFKAH of that fact when he gave her the ritual? It has been established that HM enslaved someone else at the start of the semester, so it's not a great stretch of imagination to suppose that Lifeline could have been enslaved at the same time.

    Was the real target of HM's meddling Grizzly/Eleine or Joanne? On first blush, Grizzly is an obvious target. However, the reveal of Murphy as a Namer, combined with the observation that it was expected that Joanne would take the glass (though I can't find the exact line at the moment) suggests that HM could have had deeper plans. I'm almost certain the official answer to is

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  • cprime wrote: Was the real target of HM's meddling Grizzly/Eleine or Joanne?

    Another option is that the target was unimportant. HM could be testing the school's reponse to a student having their spirit stolen. Whether they can detect the astral impact of the spell and whether they can track a stolen spirit are probably useful things to know rather than assume.
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  • It seems unlikely that it was all aimed at Murphy all along. I mean, all the conditions that had to be just so in order for Murphy to drink the potion instead of Loophole? Let me see...
    - Murphy had to be in talking terms with Loophole again
    - Lifeline had to finish preparing the potion at the right time -- neither too early nor too late
    - Murphy had to be nearby when Lifeline offered Loophole the drink
    - Loophole had to be willing to accept the drink
    - Murphy had to be manipulated into stealing the drink
    and, oh, right, the manipulation had to be at once VERY precise and VERY subtle so nobody noticed it.
    Nimbus would have to place his pieces in the right place long before the denouement, and trust that EVERYTHING went pretty much as planned, requiring only minor nudges to keep the plan on track, DESPITE the number of odds manglers on campus, INCLUDING Murphy herself. This is Arisian-level visualization of the Cosmic All. If Nimbus is that good, then there's no point keeping on with the Atlantean League, he already won.

    Don't call me "Shirley." You will surely make me surly.
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    Namer = human
    5 years 11 months ago #19 by XaltatunOfAcheron
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  • If you reread "All Hallows Ball," you will discover that Nimbus is doing this as part of his avatar stealing scheme. He's got several lines going, and that's only one of them. The incident you're looking for occurs early on the 30th.
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  • Nice Lensman reference, Sir Lee!

    Don't loose hope. Nimbus is good, but he's not that good...

    I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it.
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  • JG wrote: Hint:

    Namer = human


    So, that "twisted, calcified and reshaped into some semblance of order" is basic Human ability.

    It's the Warping away / vanishing, that's her own power?

    "The Moose/bear abomination" is some now sentient agglomeration of spirit-stuff that was created by being Named / defined / whatever, that, well, hates humans for its pain...

    Now wondering if that pain is normal, which is sad, that a uncontrollable human action exists which can only cause pain?
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  • We have a conflict. In "To Seal Our Happiness," Lifeline is in room 316. In this story, she's in room 308. Which one is correct?
    5 years 11 months ago - 5 years 11 months ago #23 by E. E. Nalley
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  • XaltatunOfAcheron wrote: We have a conflict. In "To Seal Our Happiness," Lifeline is in room 316. In this story, she's in room 308. Which one is correct?


    Crap, let's go with 316 and I'll amend the story.

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    I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it.
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  • JG wrote: Hint:

    Namer = human

    Makes sense, as in a quote to Genesis, where God gave Adam the right to name things. And, as a Brazilian humorist (Millôr Fernandes) put it, "he was so good at this that all the names he invented caught on"

    The real point being: naming is a way of imposing order into chaos. Murphy ended up in some chaotic place, but by her own human nature, she started imposing her definitions of things onto the chaos, making it a little less chaotic. Which apparently displeased things that were there (saying they "lived" there may be to stretch the boundaries of language too much).

    Don't call me "Shirley." You will surely make me surly.
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  • Naming is an incredibly common thematic of legend, myth and faith around the world.
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  • Sir Lee wrote: The real point being: naming is a way of imposing order into chaos. Murphy ended up in some chaotic place, but by her own human nature, she started imposing her definitions of things onto the chaos, making it a little less chaotic. Which apparently displeased things that were there (saying they "lived" there may be to stretch the boundaries of language too much).

    Who's to say it is less chaotic? You could also say that a void has absolute order. [Being] of the void is to be nothing and also monolithic. By establishing [Identity], Murphy has caused [Difference] to be.

    The moose/bear describes it as the "nothing of potential." The void is [Everything] and anything while being nothing. By identifying portions of the void as [Something], Murphy has ruined that potential and created chaos. The void that is now [Something] is no longer [Everything].
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  • You make it sound like we'd create an existential question for the sole purpose of giving a headache to anyone trying to parse it.
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  • Whateley has Lovecraftian influences, no?

    Cosmic horror is all about that kind of stuff. Headaches means you made out pretty well.
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  • Katssun wrote: Whateley has Lovecraftian influences, no?

    Cosmic horror is all about that kind of stuff. Headaches means you made out pretty well.


    Usually, only the survivors have headaches. One's own mileage may vary.

    As far as existential questions go: the clock is ticking.

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  • I suppose you can view MooseBear through the lens of cosmic horror. Personally though, I just see them as a special snowflake who is upset at having the complex totality of their unique existence boiled down into a single little ill-fitting label.

    I am the kernel that pops in the night. I am the pain that keeps your dentist employed.
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  • E. E. Nalley wrote:

    Cryptic wrote: Who's with me on the "Murphy is going to come back WRONG! if she comes back at all ."?


    You think Murphy now is RIGHT? :evil:

    For Whateley, yes.

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  • Katssun wrote:

    Cryptic wrote: Who's with me on the "Murphy is going to come back WRONG! if she comes back at all ."?

    Murphy comes back physically as a BIT Mangled horror...but her dream journey on the Astral plane resolves most of her mental scars and she is brought back to realm of the living as a model student and the embodiment of Sweetness and Light.

    Helpful, caring, follows the rules and encourages others to do so as well. For the remainder of the school year, she is frequently seen at the entrance of Administration, rebuffed by Ms. Hartford and Mrs. Shugendo for constantly volunteering to help them with whatever they need.


    This is JG writing here....



    He might do that.

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  • Cryptic wrote:

    Katssun wrote:

    Cryptic wrote: Who's with me on the "Murphy is going to come back WRONG! if she comes back at all ."?

    Murphy comes back physically as a BIT Mangled horror...but her dream journey on the Astral plane resolves most of her mental scars and she is brought back to realm of the living as a model student and the embodiment of Sweetness and Light.

    Helpful, caring, follows the rules and encourages others to do so as well. For the remainder of the school year, she is frequently seen at the entrance of Administration, rebuffed by Ms. Hartford and Mrs. Shugendo for constantly volunteering to help them with whatever they need.


    This is JG writing here....



    He might do that.


    :silly:

    *wishes we were XenForums with its more varied responses so I could tag this as Funny*

    *'Cause just thanking you is inadequate*

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    In other thoughts. What is Moosebear called? And why is it a weird amalgam of creatures? It was Named / defined by a hallucinating person or something??
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  • It was imagined up by a 5 year old and is named Mrs. Pookumdoodle.

    I am the kernel that pops in the night. I am the pain that keeps your dentist employed.
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  • The important thing is not how many times you fall off the wagon, the important one is if you'll get back after that. Time to get back on that wagon again:

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    And so, on the wagon, once again...

    And yup, that thing is totally a Wildkin which fled Warcraft to not become XP fodder. Poor dumb little critter underestimated Humans' greed for XP here, thinking mere Nothingness would hold them back....
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  • Hardric wrote:

    Ms Hartford made her way up to the pair as best she could in a ball gown. “Liz, I have Bluejay on his way to get Banned Aids from Purdue...”

    “I don't think Banned Aids can fix this, Amelia,” she whispered as she led the way to Doyle in her purposeful stride.


    Lies! Banned Aids can fix everything! ...As long the problem is only physical.


    Time to break out the astral duct tape!

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    The metallic eyes rolled and suddenly the mystic, living statue's posture became one of annoyance and it became an annoyed teenage girl. “Oh, anything for you, Frank,” she growled, sarcasm dripping from her tone.


    Remind me again, how many people on the staff are aware about Mahren already?


    Delarose is high up on that list, given some of the very odd things added to Eldritch's files.

    Hardric wrote:

    “Seconds count, Kayda!”


    Euh, not to take a piss at how necessary and noble this is, but I do think something that massive could use a little bit more planning.


    Or one of the three students who took a class on navigating to and negotiating terrestrial planes could have reminded the pompous ass that time rolls its own joints where they're going.

    Hardric wrote: Let's call it more simply: Afterlife.


    Prince wrote a song about that .

    Hardric wrote:

    “I'm coming with you,” Grimes declared. “Knowing you, these 'experts' are going to be students and you'll need more than your bon vivant to ride herd on who I think you have in mind.”


    Euuuuh... Who's gonna tell them the 'experts' already ran for it on their own?


    Who do you think the first set of knuckleheads they'll have to save first will be?

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  • Show of hand for Maggie getting a new code-name of Deadline? Or Dumb @$$?

    Don't go for permanent solutions to temporary problems. OK so the Doc/Griz thing looks pretty dang permanent, bu to jump to poison, even if her mind was screwed with?

    I didn't get the hysterical girl mind set when I was a teen, and I still don't.

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  • Cryptic wrote: Show of hand for Maggie getting a new code-name of Deadline?


    She can also take lifeforce from a person using her power, so that's one of the nicer options.

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  • Kettlekorn wrote: I suppose you can view MooseBear through the lens of cosmic horror. Personally though, I just see them as a special snowflake who is upset at having the complex totality of their unique existence boiled down into a single little ill-fitting label.


    I would take it as a lens of reverse cosmic horror: Murphy's spirit presence in these 'layers' of the Astral is unnatural to the point where she's literally mangling and driving to gibbering insanity everything she sees and perceives, in exactly the same manner that a Lovecraftian horror does when it's on Earth by imposing knowledge of the unknowable on anyone who sees it.

    cprime wrote: Lifeline's compulsive writing is quite suspicious. I could see Mythic Arts testing to see if she was under a compulsion and finding nothing. However, the Mythic Arts department is now aware of the Mythos compulsions after the experience with Skybolt and Cavalier.


    I would suggest that Lifeline might also be compelled by the terms of her own Blood Oath from the Combat Finals. There's a reason you don't make magical oaths lightly, and that one was a really broadly worded oath motivated by rage and hate. It's going to have some serious consequences along the lines of magically compelling (or dovetailing with anything else that compels) her to advance that goal at all costs and with no regard to morals or consequences.
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