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Question Pillars of Foundation

5 years 10 months ago #1 by Dreamer
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  • A new Gen 1 tale from E.E. Nalley. So read, enjoy, and please comment.

    Thank You for story comments appreciated and help me know me they are being read and liked. :-) Note: My story comments can't nor are trying to replace reading the stories, simply my way of enjoying them and letting the authors know I enjoy them.
    5 years 10 months ago #2 by E. E. Nalley
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  • Yes, it's a two-fer of vignettes this week! Enjoy!

    I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it.
    Thomas Jefferson, to Archibald Stuart, 1791
    5 years 10 months ago - 5 years 10 months ago #3 by Malady
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  • Is the title referencing something?

    The Foundation series of stories??

    Or something else?

    ...

    Untested medical treatments are risky. But this is Dr. Diabolik!

    Wait... This is Solon-5... IIRC, we haven't heard of Solons after this? ... When did the THX line that led to "THX-1157" get made??

    If it does reliably trigger mutations like Schrodinger Maxwell's Quantum Suicide Box... Repress?

    Vanguard gets a sample? Vanguard is actively using samples for its projects??

    ...

    Never knew Solon was a Fountain of Youth thing...

    Penny = Avatar? 'Cause March of Dreams?

    Or are all Dreams gonna be marked "March of Dreams" from now on??

    ...

    Wow, they're doing it in their doctor's office? Uhh... Okay?? Well, they're adults, and I guess he's giving them privacy, etc...

    ...

    Do No Harm indeed.
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    5 years 10 months ago #4 by E. E. Nalley
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  • Malady wrote: Is the title referencing something?

    Medicine rests upon four pillars:
    philosophy, astronomy, alchemy, and ethics.
    —Paracelsus


    The 'foundation' of medicine are those four pillars.

    Malady wrote: Never knew Solon was a Fountain of Youth thing...

    Penny = Avatar? 'Cause March of Dreams?

    Or are all Dreams gonna be marked "March of Dreams" from now on??


    Well, actually (insert meme here) every one is an Avatar. Are they going to be marked that way? That's an interesting question. We'll see...

    Malady wrote: Wow, they're doing it in their doctor's office? Uhh... Okay?? Well, they're adults, and I guess he's giving them privacy, etc...
    Do No Harm indeed.


    What? You've never had sex in an inappropriate place? :evil:

    I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it.
    Thomas Jefferson, to Archibald Stuart, 1791
    5 years 10 months ago #5 by Dreamer
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  • SPOILER ALERT
    Below is a stream of conscious commentary I type up as I read the story. There will be details from the story included in it. If you have not read the story yet and don't wish to have details of it spoiled, read no further.

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    5 years 10 months ago #6 by null0trooper
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  • Malady wrote: Wait... This is Solon-5... IIRC, we haven't heard of Solons after this? ... When did the THX line that led to "THX-1157" get made??

    Nope, just Solon-3 and Solon-4.

    Malady wrote: Never knew Solon was a Fountain of Youth thing...


    Even without significant antigeriatric effects a functional neuroregenerative drug would very much feel like a drink from the famous Fountain.

    To put one of Penny's musings in perspective, the retracted Lancet article that spurred so much antivaccination nonsense was published in 1998. Back when Marissa was a young girl, the new question on people's minds was whether or not a booster shot was needed for those who would have gotten the killed (measles) vaccine.

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    5 years 10 months ago #7 by Kettlekorn
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  • The whole autism thing is so idiotic. I mean, why would I care even if they did cause it? The overwhelming majority of us get vaccinated and do not get autism, so any risk of getting autism from vaccines must necessarily be tiny. Contrast that to the percentage of people who got polio, measles, or whatever else back in the bad old days. I would happily subject myself and my hypothetical children to a minuscule risk of autism to avoid those worse maladies.

    Ironically, the doctor in this story is just as stupid, albeit more educated. He was so worried about the risks associated with Solon-5 that he forgot to compare them to the risks of not using it. As of the start of this story, Penny was effectively on the brink of death. Her body was mostly fine, but her mind was barely hanging on. So, if she takes the treatment, gets cancer, and dies... how is that any worse than not giving her the treatment and letting her brain continue to rot? It's basically analogous to a lifesaving surgery. Things could go wrong and the patient could die, but if they don't get the surgery, they will die. So unless money is an issue, you do it, and you deal with any complications if and when they arise. It only makes sense to abstain if you believe that a safer solution is available or on the brink of becoming available, and Milton gave no indication that that was his belief.

    But new things are scary, and some people just cannot cope with fear. Their brains shut down and they become useless sacks of shit who'd rather watch a loved one lie down and die than allow them to fight.

    Herbert had it right. Fear is the mindkiller.

    I am the kernel that pops in the night. I am the pain that keeps your dentist employed.
    5 years 10 months ago - 5 years 10 months ago #8 by Hardric
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  • Malady wrote:
    Wait... This is Solon-5... IIRC, we haven't heard of Solons after this? ... When did the THX line that led to "THX-1157" get made??


    Never knew Solon was a Fountain of Youth thing...



    Well, the THX line of products already exist, Jadis references her father dumping some of it in a town's water supplies in No Beast So Fierce... It probably had side-effects from the way she talks about it, but I don't think it was Evil Genius. A full town like that would be pure madness.

    As for the rejuvenating effect... Well, Diabolik's ideal is SMIILE, and that includes 'Life Extension'. So I guess he gets to test that effect here too, and see if the Solon is actually fighting off Alzheimer long-term.
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    5 years 10 months ago #9 by Sir Lee
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  • Re the doctor's misgivings: basically, what he was worrying about was if things went spectacularly wrong and in his grief Daniel chose to blame him. If Daniel sued, he would be hosed. He would have no reasonable defense for administering an unsanctioned treatment, and probably would lose his reputation, his license and a lot of money.

    There's a passage in one of Terry Pratchett's "Watch" books... the one in which somebody is trying to kill Vetinari. Vimes figures that Vetinari needs a doctor, and so he goes to the Ankh-Morpork hippodrome and hires the horses' vet. His logic is that if a human doctor loses a patient, he just gives a few sad words to the family and still gets paid for his effort. If a racing horse vet loses HIS patient, he has to move to Klatch under an assumed name.

    The law and the AMA ethical rules offer plenty of defenses for a doctor who loses a patient by following all the procedures, but hardly any for a doctor who doesn't follow them.

    Don't call me "Shirley." You will surely make me surly.
    5 years 10 months ago #10 by Katssun
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  • Despite the compassion shown in Dr. Dad's face...you still have to wonder. His ask is that Mr. Dawson 'spread the good word,' among their social circle about the value of his work and the gifts it offers.

    The Dawsons are very well known. It's why Teddy Walcutt wanted to marry Marissa. The influence she brought.

    A lot of the other Boston Brahmin types in their old money circles will want this too. And out of desperation, there's now proof it works.

    And two years from this story, there's a space station hotel...what does that tell you about how well this little batch of altruism worked out for Dr. Dad? All he had to do was follow through on a request from his daughter's friend.
    5 years 10 months ago #11 by XaltatunOfAcheron
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  • Katssun wrote: Despite the compassion shown in Dr. Dad's face...you still have to wonder. His ask is that Mr. Dawson 'spread the good word,' among their social circle about the value of his work and the gifts it offers.

    The Dawsons are very well known. It's why Teddy Walcutt wanted to marry Marissa. The influence she brought.

    A lot of the other Boston Brahmin types in their old money circles will want this too. And out of desperation, there's now proof it works.

    And two years from this story, there's a space station hotel...what does that tell you about how well this little batch of altruism worked out for Dr. Dad? All he had to do was follow through on a request from his daughter's friend.


    I don't think there's anything that says Dr. Diabolik had a stake in the hotel. It would be interesting to know who did, besides the Hiltons.
    5 years 10 months ago #12 by Bek D Corbin
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  • How DARE he use good tactics! The FIEND!
    5 years 10 months ago #13 by null0trooper
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  • Katssun wrote: And two years from this story, there's a space station hotel...what does that tell you about how well this little batch of altruism worked out for Dr. Dad? All he had to do was follow through on a request from his daughter's friend.


    To be fair, given the obvious difficulties regarding regulatory oversight, that would be a great location to offer boutique health services to those who can afford it. That in turn might encourage commercial interests in space.

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  • XaltatunOfAcheron wrote: I don't think there's anything that says Dr. Diabolik had a stake in the hotel. It would be interesting to know who did, besides the Hiltons.

    I don't think he does either. But it still puts humans in space, and routinely. That's a big part of achieving the SMILE goals.
    5 years 10 months ago #15 by XaltatunOfAcheron
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    5 years 10 months ago - 5 years 10 months ago #16 by Sir Lee
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  • What "?" icon? If you mean like in some representations of the SMILE acronym, like "SMI?LE", that' probably an artifact of faulty character encoding. It's supposed to be "SMI²LE", with a superscript "2", like a "power-of-two" thing. Because there are actually two "I"s there, and instead of "SMIILE", someone found it cuter to use the power-of-two indicator.

    [EDIT after reading E.E.'s post below]
    D'OH! It was staring right at my face! As we say around here, "if it were a rattlesnake, I would be all bitten by now."

    Don't call me "Shirley." You will surely make me surly.
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    5 years 10 months ago #17 by E. E. Nalley
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  • I think he means the "?" marker as the icon for this thread, Sir Lee.

    To answer you, Xalt, the original poster had a question about what the title of this story 'The Pillars of Foundation' alluded to.

    I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it.
    Thomas Jefferson, to Archibald Stuart, 1791
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  • Welp, busy week it was. Time to get to these vignettes' C&C:

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    Nice piece making you feel good inside.


    ((And now, time for that ugly beast it brought here for company...))
    5 years 10 months ago #19 by Dreamer
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  • E. E. Nalley wrote: I think he means the "?" marker as the icon for this thread, Sir Lee.

    To answer you, Xalt, the original poster had a question about what the title of this story 'The Pillars of Foundation' alluded to.

    Heh, actually when I was creating the thread my mouse acted up and clicked on the wrong icon and I didn't notice until after the thread was created. :oops:

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