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5 years 6 months ago #1 by DanZilla
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  • A New story in Gen 2 from Nagrij... Please comment below.
    5 years 6 months ago #2 by Malady
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  • Very interesting path that Calibrate was given, to get out of jail.

    Do we have any of the info to make good guesses about M??

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    Lols if Bergamot is the way out from her "friend's" thumb. Because at least their deal is more even than the one she's got right now?

    I forget how much authors share groups, so I'm thinking about Advent and others, instead of the primary Vanguard guys...

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    Good that she's tiptoe-ing around the idea of things being her fault, instead of not getting it.

    If Tia meets her during the logical Diedricks comedown period, Jamie might be more receptive to a better path and clearer thinking??

    I really can't remember ever seeing the comedown that the Wiki says should happen... Which came from an Author post, so hmm...
    5 years 6 months ago #3 by Nagrij
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  • Malady... this isnt diedricks. Jamie is not sane. At least, not entirely.

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    5 years 6 months ago #5 by Malady
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  • Nagrij wrote: Malady... this isnt diedricks. Jamie is not sane. At least, not entirely.


    I thought she dricks and has an inferiority complex / shizo...
    5 years 6 months ago #6 by Nagrij
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  • Malady, you aren't wrong. but aside from the dricks, her mental state is complicated. There is more to it.

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    5 years 6 months ago #7 by Schol-R-LEA
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  • /me palms Epileptic Tree seed and pokes it into the ground
    It almost sounds as if all of this - including Luke/Tia's transformation, or at least Jamie attacking Luke - was a setup from word one.

    The whole story of how she just happened to get brought on to the DNA project so quickly, as a high school freshman and an unproven devisor, is sounding pretty suspicious (TBH, it already did, and I seem to recall that Luke even said so), especially if she was basing the 'faulty' BIT imposition ray primarily on data she was given by the ones in the development group, rather than other outside sources.

    But that would be a lot of work to put a single devisor in your pocket... especially since it sounds as if the 'attack' was set up in a way so as to kill Luke, and leave Jamie in even deeper trouble/debt... if this isn't just me spinning paranoid ideas, then someone must have already been anticipating that either Jamie or Tia (or both) would be incredibly valuable assets after all this work was put into them, for some reason. Or else M or someone he's working with is a precog who is using them as pawns in some long-term gambit.

    My money is on this WAG being entirely off the mark, but it is fun to theorize, innit?

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    5 years 6 months ago #8 by Nagrij
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  • theories are indeed fun.

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  • This was a very interesting story Nagrij, thank you.

    Jamie's main mental illness appears to be Narcissistic Personality Disorder potentially combined with Psychopathy.
    1. She lacks empathy for others. They are useful at best and evil incarnate at worst.
    2. She is flippant with rules and authority. If she can get away with it, she'll do what she wants.
    3. She believes she is the smartest, kindest, just generally best human on the earth. And she can't fathom why others don't like her. To her, semi-threatening people is her way of warning them about Tia.
    -3a. To her, everyone else is too pathetic, stupid, etc to live without her. The fact that she felt the study group immediately began mourning her absence is an example of this.
    4. She wants to win at all costs, even if the victory means nothing except to her. If someone slights her, she "has" to get even. Otherwise, to her, the bad guys win.
    5. Nothing can EVER be her fault. Its always someone else's fault or *they* wanted her to fail, etc.

    The exception to any of these was Luke. Luke was her rock. He helped Jamie feel normal, especially after she manifested (which may or may not have worsened her condition). With him around, she felt like a better person. Because, secretly, she knows she isn't well. She knows that she isn't a *good* person. That's why she has to constantly put on the "wholesome good girl" act. But to ask for help would mean admitting that she isn't perfect and she can't bring herself to do it.

    As a side note, I think the scene with her telling the police to ask her devise why it hurt Luke was more due to her being in shock then anything else. Well, that combined with her Narcissistic Psychopathy. She watched her creation almost kill her boyfriend as well as suffer burns of her own. It probably didn't help that she was also just coming down from a Diedricks episode, which meant she lost all that adrenaline she was running on. Even being caught red-handed, she still can't admit it was her fault, so she just said something to shift the blame. And the only thing left was the devise.
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  • One passing thought is that the mysterious 'M' might be the enigmatic Hugo Butler from Laura and the Village (among others). Having a Devi[cs]e that can quickly identify a person with an active MGC would be the dream of the MCO, Gen 1's triangle, or Gen 2's Adventists. For the MCO, imagine the ability to perform a mass scanning of all passengers at an airport to detect all mutants (and detain those who are attempting to sneak past the checkpoint without being properly screened). For the triangle, a similar mass screening could be put to their own ends as demonstrated in Shenanigans - particularly if the scanner can identify what powers any given mutant has . In the case of the Adventists, the motives would be a bit more sinister. As Jamie demonstrated, it's only a small jump from a devise that can scan someone's DNA to a devise that can mutate it. And as Dr. Speers explained in Quantum Suicides, they would have an incentive to induce mutations in a controlled (or uncontrolled) manner.

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  • cprime wrote: One passing thought is that the mysterious 'M' might be the enigmatic Hugo Butler from Laura and the Village (among others). Having a Devi[cs]e that can quickly identify a person with an active MGC would be the dream of the MCO, Gen 1's triangle, or Gen 2's Adventists. For the MCO, imagine the ability to perform a mass scanning of all passengers at an airport to detect all mutants (and detain those who are attempting to sneak past the checkpoint without being properly screened). For the triangle, a similar mass screening could be put to their own ends as demonstrated in Shenanigans - particularly if the scanner can identify what powers any given mutant has . In the case of the Adventists, the motives would be a bit more sinister. As Jamie demonstrated, it's only a small jump from a devise that can scan someone's DNA to a devise that can mutate it. And as Dr. Speers explained in Quantum Suicides, they would have an incentive to induce mutations in a controlled (or uncontrolled) manner.


    Well, the actual uses do sort of jump out at one, don't they? Inducing mutation in a controlled or directed manner might save many lives. And removing the ability removes the chance for resistance. However, I do disagree a bit... the jump from detection to mutation is much bigger than it seems.

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  • It would be interesting to see how this integrates with the MGC Diagnostic spells that Baloo introduced in Gen1.

    Granted that we haven't seen how the full societal side-effects have played out in Gen1 yet, and, that the spell itself requires a unspecified amount of essence to cast, an unspecified level of skill in magic to cast, and, an unspecified level of knowledge of genetics to use the results effectively, which means that the ability to make full use of the spell would be a relatively rare skill-set.

    One work-around would be an institute-level organisation set up to use it, but that role could possibly be taken up by Arc.

    Barring some form of that work-around, the use of that spell would be relatively uncommon, so a Devise/Gadget-based solution, would be more usable/more "easily effective".

    As for the jump from detection of the MGC, to controlled manifestation of the MGC, it would depend upon how incomplete the MGC is for each individual, for the MGC to be able to manifest safely.

    Chewy and interesting reading. :D

    Looking forward to the next episode. :D


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  • It is also interesting to read what's happening from the pov of someone who is neurotypical.

    The combination of Diedricks on top of an existing(?) mental condition, is always going to be messy.

    Nice take on the inside of the head of someone who is suffering from Diedricks. :D


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    5 years 6 months ago #14 by Nagrij
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  • Mister D wrote: It is also interesting to read what's happening from the pov of someone who is neurotypical.

    The combination of Diedricks on top of an existing(?) mental condition, is always going to be messy.

    Nice take on the inside of the head of someone who is suffering from Diedricks. :D


    Thanks. That part took awhile to get 'right', as you well know.

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  • Nagrij wrote: Well, the actual uses do sort of jump out at one, don't they? Inducing mutation in a controlled or directed manner might save many lives. And removing the ability removes the chance for resistance. However, I do disagree a bit... the jump from detection to mutation is much bigger than it seems.


    Removing the ability to manifest might save the lives of those with mutated MGCs and those who inherit any anti-manifestation alterations. It also might be critical in treating victims of transgenic diseases.

    Depending on how much positive pressure there is on the MGC, there would eventually be uses for detecting those who lack a copy of it.

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  • Nagrij wrote: Malady... this isnt diedricks. Jamie is not sane. At least, not entirely.


    I had a working theory that Sharon, Pete, and Irma were imaginary until the encounter with Molten. I listen on text2speech app during my commute so can't always catch all the details.

    But darn, I was a bit sad to have that bubble burst.

    Thanks for the out-of-the-box backstory. I'd love to read more but don't really enjoy spending time in Jamie's head.
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  • marie7342231 wrote:

    Nagrij wrote: Malady... this isnt diedricks. Jamie is not sane. At least, not entirely.


    I had a working theory that Sharon, Pete, and Irma were imaginary until the encounter with Molten. I listen on text2speech app during my commute so can't always catch all the details.

    But darn, I was a bit sad to have that bubble burst.

    Thanks for the out-of-the-box backstory. I'd love to read more but don't really enjoy spending time in Jamie's head.


    Nice take.

    I hadn't even thought of that. :D


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  • marie7342231 wrote:

    Nagrij wrote: Malady... this isnt diedricks. Jamie is not sane. At least, not entirely.


    I had a working theory that Sharon, Pete, and Irma were imaginary until the encounter with Molten. I listen on text2speech app during my commute so can't always catch all the details.

    But darn, I was a bit sad to have that bubble burst.

    Thanks for the out-of-the-box backstory. I'd love to read more but don't really enjoy spending time in Jamie's head.


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  • Excellent to finally get a peek at the thoughts behind Jamie's actions, especially in regards to the Luke/Tia dichotomy. I almost feel sorry for the girl, being railroaded as she is.

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  • I do feel sorry for her too. It's a tragedy for both Jamie and Tia.

    She knows, deep down, that it is all her fault. She set her favorite person in the world on fire. It really was an accident, it shouldn't have burned anything, including herself which she disturbingly didn't notice at all. It was supposed to be a temporary condition, although that might have been pure delusion on her part. She wanted to help him immediately after coming out of her bout of mania.

    @FlynnDanger: Love the analysis! We know her condition existed well before she manifested to add Diedricks on top of it, so Luke being her sole source of stability make sense too.

    Jamie needs the amalgamation of Tia and Amy to take all the blame or she will drown herself in her own guilt. So I think there is a strong hint of Depression (with a capital D) lurking there too. Depression manifests in just as many ways as mutation does.

    What I found truly horrifying is she's not even eating, to "keep up" with the Exemplars even as she loathes them, and the people who are using her are manipulating her further away from sanity. It didn't dawn on me until the end with Sharon, but they're reinforcing her alienation/isolation and ramping up her mania to exploit it for their own end. She's constantly "in danger" that they need to guard her from. Sure, some of the threat is probably real, but she doesn't need bodyguards every time she's outside her room. No worse than Tia's. Public opinion was equally split. Evolution Rocks was presented as siding with Jamie, not Tia, but suddenly they're all against her? Very suspicious.

    She desperately needs real help. Hopefully someone can break through to make her realize it and finally get her over that hurdle. Tia was equally hurt and traumatized by the "betrayal" and even something like a projection or disguise back to being Luke for a minute or so is way too risky.
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  • Katssun wrote: and the people who are using her are manipulating her further away from sanity. It didn't dawn on me until the end with Sharon, but they're reinforcing her alienation/isolation and ramping up her mania to exploit it for their own end. She's constantly "in danger" that they need to guard her from. Sure, some of the threat is probably real, but she doesn't need bodyguards every time she's outside her room.

    Yeah. The end left me wondering whether Sharon might be the one responsible for sending those death threats in the first place, just to spice up the whole "you need protection" thing.

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  • Kettlekorn wrote:

    Katssun wrote: and the people who are using her are manipulating her further away from sanity. It didn't dawn on me until the end with Sharon, but they're reinforcing her alienation/isolation and ramping up her mania to exploit it for their own end. She's constantly "in danger" that they need to guard her from. Sure, some of the threat is probably real, but she doesn't need bodyguards every time she's outside her room.

    Yeah. The end left me wondering whether Sharon might be the one responsible for sending those death threats in the first place, just to spice up the whole "you need protection" thing.


    Why whatever could that operation previously mentioned in the last act be? <.<

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  • IIRC, this is all before Jamie's scouting out of people for her mysterious plan, right?

    OOOH! Erica's Nano-stuff, is a way to Exemplar without MGC Activation!

    Like, how many ways to Exemplify are there without an MGC? There's Spark's XSI... Which is Tech... And then there's all the Magic...

    Jobe's Drow Serum...

    Jamie could remake her BIT Gun and shoot herself?

    We dunno how deep Dr. Bergamot's research went or goes...

    Options, options...
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  • Is the implication that Jamie might have actually figured out how BITs work, except she's a devisor, so her physical presence is required to make the edits?

    edit: I guess the aspect that she's not entirely sane in the first place might play into her breakthrough in the field.
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  • Jamie has not figured out how BITs work, but she has a theory. A theory which seems to make sense given what she knows of science, and is made from both data and observations. Her tech is based somewhat on that theory, and seems just as much miss as hit... make of that what you will.

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  • Nagrij wrote: Jamie has not figured out how BITs work, but she has a theory. A theory which seems to make sense given what she knows of science, and is made from both data and observations. Her tech is based somewhat on that theory, and seems just as much miss as hit... make of that what you will.


    She's a Devisor.

    'Nuff said. :D


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  • Nagrij wrote: Jamie has not figured out how BITs work, but she has a theory. A theory which seems to make sense given what she knows of science, and is made from both data and observations. Her tech is based somewhat on that theory, and seems just as much miss as hit... make of that what you will.


    I smell a Gen2 authors plan to build a BIT-altering story similar to Gen1 BIT-slicer. Who would line up for the procedure in Gen2's main characters and who would trust Jamie enough to do it? She seems like a Gen2 Jobe just without the success rate and funding.
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  • marie7342231 wrote:

    Nagrij wrote: Jamie has not figured out how BITs work, but she has a theory. A theory which seems to make sense given what she knows of science, and is made from both data and observations. Her tech is based somewhat on that theory, and seems just as much miss as hit... make of that what you will.


    I smell a Gen2 authors plan to build a BIT-altering story similar to Gen1 BIT-slicer. Who would line up for the procedure in Gen2's main characters and who would trust Jamie enough to do it? She seems like a Gen2 Jobe just without the success rate and funding.


    If she got a BIT changer made, she would be her own first client, as her inferiority complex about her own self-image would demand it.

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