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Question Knockoff 2 Fight or Flight

5 years 6 months ago #1 by Yolandria
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  • Next installment of the Knockoff series! Post in the comments below!.

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    5 years 6 months ago #2 by Malady
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  • OH! Right, we never actually saw her get to Whateley!

    Interesting, getting a closer look at events we've heard about.

    That title! Flight! Is this the story that'll start the flying obstacle courses??

    Hmm... The resolving "fight" between Knockoff and Striatura Blu, is gonna be a race, instead of a conventional battle??
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  • My biggest fear is that someone like Christina would get mentored by someone like Barney. The other Marty, Mega-Girl, is pretty sensible when it comes to prejudging people, same with Stronghold and Saladin, and Christina's attitude is likely to get her rejected from the G1Y2 FSHA. That would put her in a position to find another set of mentors. Ones that align better with the less nuanced view she shares with her father.

    Martina seems to be taking it okay so far. We've seen Jadis' offer from Alyss' perspective if I remember right, so I'm interested to see how much worse the harassment gets, or the incident or two that finally got her and Christina separated and the rooms reassigned.

    All in all, a good...setup chapter.

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  • Is this one of the "non-canon converted to canon" stories? Seems familiar.

    Either way, great to see it here.
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  • So, Ms. Hastings is now Mrs. Hastings, I guess.

    Given what we've seen of what seems to be her, in Gen 2... Interesting?

    Sarah Hawkins seems to be the one winning the award for Worst Counselor... What do we know about Mrs. Hastings' counselor style? ... She seems to be the one that Elrod uses??
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  • Malady wrote: So, Ms. Hastings is now Mrs. Hastings, I guess.


    Any relation to Bobby 'Iron Star' Hastings, I wonder?

    Malady wrote: What do we know about Mrs. Hastings' counselor style? ... She seems to be the one that Elrod uses??


    She was Charge's advisor for a time, until she was passed on to Mdme. Prudhomme. Fey was also initially assigned to her ("Ms. Hastings is very good.") before Caduceus stepped in.

    Mrs. Hawkins has been seen more often (Kayda, Ayla, Anna, Lanie, Timeless)

    Two other Hawkins to consider: Dennis Hawkins and Sky Hawkins, King of the Rocketmen

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    5 years 6 months ago #8 by mhalpern
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  • Katssun wrote: My biggest fear is that someone like Christina would get mentored by someone like Barney. The other Marty, Mega-Girl, is pretty sensible when it comes to prejudging people, same with Stronghold and Saladin, and Christina's attitude is likely to get her rejected from the G1Y2 FSHA. That would put her in a position to find another set of mentors. Ones that align better with the less nuanced view she shares with her father.

    Martina seems to be taking it okay so far. We've seen Jadis' offer from Alyss' perspective if I remember right, so I'm interested to see how much worse the harassment gets, or the incident or two that finally got her and Christina separated and the rooms reassigned.

    All in all, a good...setup chapter.

    ...I'll show myself out.


    I think it is more likely she ends up as a patsy, people like that are too easy to manipulate, what happens then,. if she realizes it, is up in the air.

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  • mhalpern wrote: I think it is more likely she ends up as a patsy, people like that are too easy to manipulate, what happens then,. if she realizes it, is up in the air.


    Historically it is most likely that they double down on the behaviour, and especially on the firm convictions, that got them in trouble and start blaming the rest of the world for their self inflicted wounds.
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  • null0trooper wrote:

    Malady wrote: What do we know about Mrs. Hastings' counselor style? ... She seems to be the one that Elrod uses??


    She was Charge's advisor for a time, until she was passed on to Mdme. Prudhomme. Fey was also initially assigned to her ("Ms. Hastings is very good.") before Caduceus stepped in.

    She's not a running inside joke of "horrible school counselor" stereotype, only for a better one, or even an ideal one to step in and fix everything?
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  • Sarah Hawkins is around sixty, so she should've retired by Gen 2, thankfully...

    ...

    But this isn't a story about the counselors...

    Poe Changelings' Training Team doesn't seem.like it'll be a thing, given later stories?
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  • Good to see Elrod back and good to see Knockoff get her chance to shine. Looking forward to more!
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  • I'm a little perturbed by the way Ayla gives the intro; it seems a little too close to the speech Belle gave which he found so dismissive.

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  • No-one ever said Alya wasn't a hypocrite :dry:

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  • With that stunt Christina pulled, she'd fit right in with the Masterminds, except they have class and skill.

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  • "I'm teaching this Let me explain what this class is about and explain the rules of flying around Whateley," Mr. Paulson continued. "I will teach you the rules of aviation, and check out your skill flying. Before you can fly openly around the Whateley grounds, you must pass a basic FAA private pilot exam and skill exam." He scanned the group, settling his focus on Martina and Todd. "Some of you have already been given a ... private and intense lecture on this particular rule." Martina's cheeks practically glowed red.


    When did flying (presumably on a green flag day) start requiring successful completion of a private pilot exam?

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  • null0trooper wrote: When did flying (presumably on a green flag day) start requiring successful completion of a private pilot exam?

    Uh, not quite "successful completion of a private pilot exam", but enrolling in Flight class? I think since an early Tennyo story.

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    null0trooper wrote: When did flying (presumably on a green flag day) start requiring successful completion of a private pilot exam?

    Uh, not quite "successful completion of a private pilot exam", but enrolling in Flight class? I think since an early Tennyo story.


    The one both Martina and Todd were already enrolled in, or one of the ones Lancer, Stronghold, Loophole, and Dragonrider never mentioned taking?

    For Tennyo, it was recommended, not required ("Another Day, We Were Going Where?"):

    “One more thing before you go.” I settled back into my seat and waited for what he was going to say.
    “Your schedule won’t permit you to take the regular Flight classes but it would be a good idea for you to take it.”
    “There's a class for flying?”
    “Yes Billie. Some of our students don’t seem to catch on as quickly as you have and a little training goes a long way to help prevent accidents. There is also the fact that most fliers can do even better with the right training and experience.”


    and

    “You people aren’t the only ones up there. We feel that it will be much safer for all of us if you know what everyone else should be doing up there at any given time and make it clear to you that you are expected to follow at least some of those rules yourselves.”


    "Those rules" would be FAA rules. I could see an issue with leaving the school's airspace, which Tennyo and Loophole both got chewed out for, but this wasn't that.

    I can see advisors recommending or telling their students to take the class, but this doesn't fit so well.

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  • In the Eastern US, the high population density compared to Western US results in a lot more controlled airspaces around airports, military bases, etc (less Class G, formerly known as 'unrestricted'). There is a ceiling on how high you can fly before you touch a more 'controlled' airspace. It's been a while since I've studied a sectional map (let alone the Montreal or NY sectionals, which cover NH), so I'm not sure exactly what class is where, but given the rules on VFR flight, minimum visibility and clearances, and potential nearby more-restricted airspaces, it is entirely reasonable that some aspects of flight school are essential, even above Whateley's grounds.

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  • elrodw wrote: It is entirely reasonable that some aspects of flight school are essential, even above Whateley's grounds.


    My point was that prior to this point, students weren't getting hauled in to Security for flying without having a pilot's license. Now, for some reason, they are. It's not like the flight classes stopped being among the most popular classes on campus.

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  • null0trooper wrote:

    elrodw wrote: It is entirely reasonable that some aspects of flight school are essential, even above Whateley's grounds.


    My point was that prior to this point, students weren't getting hauled in to Security for flying without having a pilot's license. Now, for some reason, they are. It's not like the flight classes stopped being among the most popular classes on campus.


    Yes but there could have easily been an "incident" the previous school year we dont know about, or an incident we DO know about but didn't see this implication for it, for instance just 10 months prior to the events of this chapter there was a lot of aircraft that were destroyed in Whateley airspace, as well as many independent fliers whom were killed, this is probably a quick way to get the airspace restrictions in the area upgraded.

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  • It also seems quite possible that technically Whateley's rules regarding student flight are broader than they usually bother to enforce. I could see it being the case that security quietly ignores most fliers as 'not worth the effort of catching' but Knockoff was flying (a) at night, (b) near the edges of school grounds and (c) well above the tree line.
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  • null0trooper wrote:

    elrodw wrote: It is entirely reasonable that some aspects of flight school are essential, even above Whateley's grounds.


    My point was that prior to this point, students weren't getting hauled in to Security for flying without having a pilot's license. Now, for some reason, they are. It's not like the flight classes stopped being among the most popular classes on campus.


    They don't have to have a license... they just need to a pass basic FAA private pilot exam and skill exam.

    Not much different from the firearms restrictions on campus as well.
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  • DanZilla wrote:

    null0trooper wrote:

    elrodw wrote: It is entirely reasonable that some aspects of flight school are essential, even above Whateley's grounds.


    My point was that prior to this point, students weren't getting hauled in to Security for flying without having a pilot's license. Now, for some reason, they are. It's not like the flight classes stopped being among the most popular classes on campus.


    They don't have to have a license... they just need to a pass basic FAA private pilot exam and skill exam.

    Not much different from the firearms restrictions on campus as well.


    The private pilot exam is about airspace restrictions, procedures, rules, regulations, and so forth. If you're flying using your TK Superman power near an airport, it's really helpful to know what to do so you don't get sucked into the engine of a 767 taking off because you were flying in the wrong place. (The engine of any large jet would tend to ruin your day!) Same for flying in restricted military airspace - a SAM or an AMRAAM or Sidewinder can really put a dent in your plans.

    Skill using mutant powers to fly is a Whateley taught thing - or some other mutant group. (Example - the FAA doesn't make a mutant do a walkaround inspection of themselves prior to takeoff!)

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  • Hebblejebble wrote: It also seems quite possible that technically Whateley's rules regarding student flight are broader than they usually bother to enforce. I could see it being the case that security quietly ignores most fliers as 'not worth the effort of catching' but Knockoff was flying (a) at night, (b) near the edges of school grounds and (c) well above the tree line.


    It is possible, that's why I was asking what event kick-started a requirement that has never been imposed or even mentioned before.

    elrodw wrote: The private pilot exam is about airspace restrictions, procedures, rules, regulations, and so forth. If you're flying using your TK Superman power near an airport, it's really helpful to know what to do so you don't get sucked into the engine of a 767 taking off because you were flying in the wrong place.


    Knockoff wasn't flying anywhere near an airport. But if you did have a 767 barelling through the Presidential and Dartmouth Ranges at Cherubs 1, or an ATC drinking enough to think he's picking up a small organic object on his radar between mountains, one flier at risk isn't the only major problem.

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  • One thing I don't understand in the story is the behavior of the Secret Squirrels. They were actually behaving reasonably. However, the education that Imp gave them has not yet happened. Imp 5 took place from September 28 through October 6, 2007, which is a month after the events in Knockoff 2 part 2. If they were being reasonable here, why weren't they reasonable in dealing with Imp?
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  • Court wrote: One thing I don't understand in the story is the behavior of the Secret Squirrels. They were actually behaving reasonably.


    Maybe because Sir Wallace was watching?

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  • null0trooper wrote:

    Court wrote: One thing I don't understand in the story is the behavior of the Secret Squirrels. They were actually behaving reasonably.


    Maybe because Sir Wallace was watching?


    Ding ding ding ding - we have a winner here!
    And they are doing a public display to new students - do you think they'd do well recruiting by acting like assholes?
    If you look at the timeline, this is before Barney got the Squirrels riled up about Imp, too.

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  • null0trooper wrote:

    elrodw wrote: It is entirely reasonable that some aspects of flight school are essential, even above Whateley's grounds.


    My point was that prior to this point, students weren't getting hauled in to Security for flying without having a pilot's license. Now, for some reason, they are. It's not like the flight classes stopped being among the most popular classes on campus.


    It may be that Loophole made this much stricter policy necessary. She did manage to spook air defense badly enough that they scrambled a couple of jets and sent a general to Whately to yell at mrs Carson. And they didn't even know that Loophole was toying with the idea of 'buzzing the ISS'.
    Or it could have been Tenyo, who in her escape during the christmas escapade 'rang the bell' if my memory is correct (which admittedly it most likely is not, as I am now beginning to doubt that her max flight speed is above mach 1).
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  • Erianaiel wrote:

    null0trooper wrote:

    elrodw wrote: It is entirely reasonable that some aspects of flight school are essential, even above Whateley's grounds.


    My point was that prior to this point, students weren't getting hauled in to Security for flying without having a pilot's license. Now, for some reason, they are. It's not like the flight classes stopped being among the most popular classes on campus.


    It may be that Loophole made this much stricter policy necessary. She did manage to spook air defense badly enough that they scrambled a couple of jets and sent a general to Whately to yell at mrs Carson. And they didn't even know that Loophole was toying with the idea of 'buzzing the ISS'.
    Or it could have been Tenyo, who in her escape during the christmas escapade 'rang the bell' if my memory is correct (which admittedly it most likely is not, as I am now beginning to doubt that her max flight speed is above mach 1).


    And once more, a reader uncovers the rules that have had to be changed thanks to the Kimbas and other characters (e.g. Loophole!) in the 2006-2007 school year.

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