Question Jobe

new nickname for Jobe/Jobette

Jub-Jube.

more seriously though, when is jobe going to tell the others in the collective about the 'addiction' to sperm from the first guy the have sex with?
about the massively increased sensitivity in their erogenous zones.

and all the other little enhancements that he snuck into his perfect girlfriend design.

Jobe will assure you that it is all there in the release documentation (not that anyone other than Ayla or Jadis could wade through that to find the information).

Dawnfyre wrote: more seriously though, when is jobe going to tell the others in the collective about the 'addiction' to sperm from the first guy the have sex with?
about the massively increased sensitivity in their erogenous zones.

and all the other little enhancements that he snuck into his perfect girlfriend design.

Having become his own perfect woman, I would expect her perspective on those traits may have changed and she spends some of her time engineering "cures" for them.

that is my point, maybe the others were told in the paperwork, but Belphy had no paperwork.

Dawnfyre wrote: that is my point, maybe the others were told in the paperwork, but Belphy had no paperwork.

She did tell Pheebs pretty early on, in Second Book of Jobe Part 4 . Pheebs was... displeased with the news.

“Feebs?”

“Yes?”

“There’s one other thing I didn’t tell you about drow girls.”

“Worse than the other stuff? Oh, this’ll be good, then.”

“Hmmm, yeah, that’s about right. It’s about being a virgin.”

“No worries there. Between the twins and the new toys, I’m happy as a clam. Which in this case is perhaps a delightfully appropriate Americanism.”

“Good,” I said. “Because it’s possible that the first time you sleep with a man… he’ll own you.”

“Say again?” Her voice dropped into almost a growl. “You’d better explain that one.”

It was a secret I’d been sitting on (literally) for several days now, but I owed it to her. “Well, see, this was supposed to be my dream girl, right? Naturally, everyone else would be attracted to her, too. I wanted to be able to give her something that no one else could give her. But I don’t believe in mind control.”

“None of your words are comforting me,” Belphoebe warned.

“So I fixed it. I’d just need to sleep with her once, see? Then she couldn’t resist me.”

“Get to the point!”

“You can trace the sexual nerves for human women. There are two primary concentrations, in the clitoris, and about half-way up the vagina. The so-called ‘Gräfenberg spot.’ Then there are secondary sites – the nipples, areas of the skin. I increased the nerve endings, increasing the sensitivity of all of these regions. You’ve probably noticed that yourself.”

“What did you DO?”

“Modified nerve cells,” I explained. “Like the scent detectors, in the nose. Only, these aren’t in the nose. They form a tertiary sexual concentration, more powerful than any of the others. They’re sensitized to the chemical structures in semen, and the exposed nerve endings surround the cervix.”

“So,” my daughter ground out, “whenever there’s semen spraying over my cervix, I’ll, what? Come like you wouldn’t believe?”

“Well… yes and no. I mean, we’ll always be able to sense true semen down there, and it’ll definitely bring pleasure, but the chemical detectors will form a special bond with the first type of semen encountered. As you know from bloodhounds and the like, everyone has their own unique scent, and that’s what we—”

“Mother, SHUT UP. Just tell me what this means.”

“Well…” I gulped. “The first man… the first semen… that will sensitize you. Permanently.”

“I thought you didn’t LIKE mind control!”

“I don’t! This isn’t mind control! It’s just… a little extra. A special gift.”

“That does WHAT?”

“Uh… the first man who, um, has his semen on your cervix, I can’t be sure, I haven’t tested it, but… you’ll come.”

“Yes? And?”

“I think it should be pretty mind blowing,” I admitted.

“That’s it?”

“Yes. But I don’t think you get it,” I said. “I mean, really mind-blowing. When he’s inside you, when he comes, you’ll taste it. You’ll feel it. It will feel like it’s going right to all your most sensitive spots at once. Whenever he comes inside you, you’ll instantly come so powerfully that you won’t believe it. But only for him. Your first man. You’ll lock onto his scent, and then he’ll be the only one that ever does that for you, for the rest of your life.”

“Oh, that’s just fucking lovely.”

“But, on the good side,” I pleaded, “think about it! Every time your man gets off, you do, too! Simultaneous orgasm, every single time. Not only will you be happy, but you’ll make him feel really good, too. Men like to believe that they’re keeping their women happy, and he will be, won’t he? Heck, by my calculations, you’ll be spasming so hard that it will be like a first-class workout, just by having sex.”

“But only for the stupid wanker that fucks me first.”

“Yeah. So… pick someone that will stick around. And be a good father. And someone who will live a long time. And,” I realized that I was whispering this last part, “someone who will love you forever.”

“Fucking wonderful.”

“Because even if you come to hate him,” I realized, “I mean, hate him as much as I hate your father, you won’t be able to stay away from him. You’ll always want him back there inside you…”

“Great. Stay a virgin for the rest of your life. Your first boyfriend better be The One. No pressure, it’s just eternity.”

“What have I done…?” I asked myself.

But that's not why I committed Thread Necromancy today. This comment I made in another thread today is something I thought should be discussed further here, as it crystallized a number of thoughts that had been going through my head for a while now:

Me, Myself, and I wrote: Seriously, the seemingly-casual changing of Jobe's legal gender? [...] It wasn't anything of the sort, obviously, as even given Carson's sweeping authority there's no way she could have done it in the off-the-cuff manner it was shown as being. It was almost certainly the case that the school's legal team had had the change of identity paperwork prepped in advance, even if they did have to rush its completion when the Belphoebe thing happened, including getting a local magistrate - whether in a US federal court, or by Ellie Donner as the representative of the Medawihla tribe - and Emperor Joe to sign off on it. They probably began working on it as soon as the possibility came up, and would have been conferring with Joe from the start.

This also means that all the discussions with Gizmatic, and the whole disinheritance thing in "Saks and Violence", were - as Jadis rightly surmised - also a piece of theater, one which was probably scripted even before Jobe talked to him about the initial accident, possibly even planned with Carson's collusion. True, they clearly didn't expect the specific actions she took, as there were a lot of variables they couldn't have known about ahead of time (Anti-Chump's and Dr. Venus' involvements specifically), but it seems likely they knew she'd do something drastic and foolish which would leave her stuck and desperate for a way out of the situation.

Schol-R-LEA wrote:

Dawnfyre wrote: that is my point, maybe the others were told in the paperwork, but Belphy had no paperwork.

She did tell Pheebs pretty early on, in Second Book of Jobe Part 4. Pheebs was... displeased with the news.

But that's not why I committed Thread Necromancy today. This comment I made in another thread today is something I thought should be discussed further here, as it crystallized a number of thoughts that had been going through my head for a while now:

Me, Myself, and I wrote: Seriously, the seemingly-casual changing of Jobe's legal gender? [...] It wasn't anything of the sort, obviously, as even given Carson's sweeping authority there's no way she could have done it in the off-the-cuff manner it was shown as being. It was almost certainly the case that the school's legal team had had the change of identity paperwork prepped in advance, even if they did have to rush its completion when the Belphoebe thing happened, including getting a local magistrate - whether in a US federal court, or by Ellie Donner as the representative of the Medawihla tribe - and Emperor Joe to sign off on it. They probably began working on it as soon as the possibility came up, and would have been conferring with Joe from the start.

This also means that all the discussions with Gizmatic, and the whole disinheritance thing in "Saks and Violence", were - as Jadis rightly surmised - also a piece of theater, one which was probably scripted even before Jobe talked to him about the initial accident, possibly even planned with Carson's collusion. True, they clearly didn't expect the specific actions she took, as there were a lot of variables they couldn't have known about ahead of time (Anti-Chump's and Dr. Venus' involvements specifically), but it seems likely they knew she'd do something drastic and foolish which would leave her stuck and desperate for a way out of the situation.

I'm sure given the existence of Poe, the other gender changes that seem to happen occasionally on campus, Tool/Demona, Folder, Reach, Eldritch, and Theophany just in the Fall of 2006, that there is a procedure for creating new identities for the gender and major body changing students. In Jobe's case, the only paperwork that needs to be done is by Emperor Giz, who happens to be an associate of Ms. Hartford, enough of an associate that Jobe seems to think he can presume on that association.

The Second Book of Jobe wrote: I should have been more worried, but Amelia (as I called her in private) was a frequent guest at Karedonia. Given the nature of Dad’s business, he had plenty of reason to call upon one of the finest computer experts in the world. Miss Hartford made a good living, just on what Dad paid her. And best of all, it was all open and aboveboard. So I smirked inwardly, but outside I schooled my expression to worried concern.

Consider the number of students that show up without any real ID. Jade, Ribbon, Sphere, Knockoff, Diamondback and Anomaly, Bladedancer, Carmilla, and who knows how many others. Some of those don't even have any sort of legal guardian to allow them to attend.

So they must have some sort of procedure already set up to deal with identity changes for staff and students.

Valentine wrote: ...

I'm sure given the existence of Poe, the other gender changes that seem to happen occasionally on campus, Tool/Demona, Folder, Reach, Eldritch, and Theophany just in the Fall of 2006, that there is a procedure for creating new identities for the gender and major body changing students. In Jobe's case, the only paperwork that needs to be done is by Emperor Giz, who happens to be an associate of Ms. Hartford, enough of an associate that Jobe seems to think he can presume on that association.

Consider the number of students that show up without any real ID. Jade, Ribbon, Sphere, Knockoff, Diamondback and Anomaly, Bladedancer, Carmilla, and who knows how many others. Some of those don't even have any sort of legal guardian to allow them to attend.

So they must have some sort of procedure already set up to deal with identity changes for staff and students.

A minor point of clarification ... Knockoff has a set of identifying paperwork - the best her very-well-paid mother Setup could afford, and given some of Setup's connections in various intelligence agencies, it's hard telling exactly what her country and city of birth are listed in the Whateley paperwork.

And no doubts Whateley has already figured out her true name and other minor such details.

I agree that there's got to be a streamlined process for this in place, sure, but that most likely means something that takes weeks instead of years. True, we generally don't see all of that, but this is because, a) most of this is done over time, with only the initial decision to initiate the process being shown, b) it often involves creating a new identity ab novo anyway, and that's actually easier (if technically less legal in most cases) than changing an existing one, and c) as a matter of storytelling, it is dramatically unnecessary to show those sorts of details in most cases as they at best only contribute flavor while slowing the pacing.

In other words, we only see the parts needed to convey the story. That doesn't mean the other parts don't happen. While there are cases where more detail is shown, in most of those instances doing so served a purpose in the story (such as underscoring Ayla's distress about his legal and economic status in his origin story - and even in that case, we only really see the result, when Ayla gets his new paperwork etc. in the mail from Goodkind International, not the actual process).

I expect that once it was clear that Jobe might be heading that way, the legal department started the process in case it needed to be handled, to ensure that it went as smoothly as possible (and as quietly as possible, given the significance and sensitivity of this for the Karedonian government). Carson and/or Hartford probably notified them to do so once they heard about it, as it would be prudent to be ready for several contingencies given the uncertainties involved and the lead time available.

elrodw wrote:
A minor point of clarification ... Knockoff has a set of identifying paperwork - the best her very-well-paid mother Setup could afford, and given some of Setup's connections in various intelligence agencies, it's hard telling exactly what her country and city of birth are listed in the Whateley paperwork.

And no doubts Whateley has already figured out her true name and other minor such details.

I'd forgotten that a US TLA had taken care of new ID's for them.

Several of those people showed up with at least an MID, Sphere, Ribbon, and Noms. Whateley has Jade's birth ID, but Jade had no Jade Sinclair ID, and no one to vouch for her identity.

Schol-R-LEA wrote: I agree that there's got to be a streamlined process for this in place, sure. But that means something that takes weeks instead of years. True, we generally don't see all of that, but this is because, a) most of this is done over time, with only the initial decision to initiate the process being shown, and b) it often involves creating a new identity ab novo anyway, and that's actually easier (if technically less legal) than changing an existing one.

I expect that once it was clear that Jobe might be heading that way, the legal department started the process in case it needed to be handled, to ensure that it went as smoothly as possible (and as quietly as possible, given the significance and sensitivity of this for the Karedonian government). Carson and/or Hartford probably notified them to do so once they heard about it, as it would be prudent to be ready for several contingencies given the uncertainties involved and the lead time available.

What legal department? Amelia called Joe, explained, and Joe said OK. Jobe is now a girl. A memo sent to the records department to change documents, end of story, and sending a new Passport. A Passport for 'Phoebe too.

As for other students, since Whateley is on Tribal lands, everything would be done through them, and there is probably a stack of signed, stamped, and sealed documents just waiting to have some names and dates entered.

OK, fair point about Jobe. It's good to be the king, etc.

While I think your also mostly right about the Donners having a lot of this lined up ahead of time with things ready to be completed and signed, I expect that there are still a number of details left unstated in the stories as unnecessary clutter. Things like the whole business of getting the government that issued their birth certificates to change and reissue them - which generally has to be done in that jurisdiction in most cases, and depending on the locale, could involve anything from a notarized affidavit from a doctor, to a civil appeal made before a judge, up to even a personal meeting with the head of state.

(No kidding; it is my understanding that in, for example, the Netherlands, changing your name for any reason other than for a woman who is getting married requires - or did at one time - an audience with the King (or Queen, at the time I heard about it) as does changing your legal gender, though it is pretty much just a formality AFAIK. I seem to recall that for a marriage, a woman would have to do the same in order to not change her name, but I don't know if this is correct or not - anyone here know about Dutch law in this instance? I understand that at least some other nations - especially older constitutional monarchies, I think including Denmark, perhaps? - have or had similar rules.

Bizarrely, because of their position that transsexuality is congenital but homosexuality isn't, Iran of all places has one of the fastest processes - they want people to get surgically and legally transitioned at once, to avoid any hint of anything so decadent and sinful as homosexuality going on in their country. Given that the punishment for homosexuality can be death (depending on several factors, supposedly, though I have no idea what those would be), while at the same time the government pays for SRS with few questions, this had led to a lot of cis-gendered homosexuals getting SRS in order to avoid execution, apparently. Even without considering all the complexities involved, this is simply cringe-worthy to me.

A lot of aspects of it can't be done from the Medawihla jurisdiction, at least not in a way that will stick legally elsewhere, without at least some extra-legal activity. And that's just for cases in the US; international cases, even for countries where a monarch's involvement isn't required, would be next to impossible without a lot of greasing of wheels (and/or palms).

I think we should be glad Jobe has the ethics she does, else sh could be as bad as Johann Konrad Dippel from The President's vampire series. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_Oath_(Farnsworth_novel)

I guess this would be where to post this. Not too sure, haven't visited the forums since 2013, back at the old site. Jobe Watch. Since I just reset Windows 10 a few weeks ago, I had to reinstall lots of software, including getting a new comic book viewer. How else to test it than to pull up my zip file of Drunkfu's Jobe Watch? I haven't read _anything_ Whateley since Silver Linings 2 came out, so it wasn't fresh in my mind; I posted as kd7mvs back then. Jobe Watch is _just_ as hilarious as ever. Hmm. Given that a search of the site came up with no mention of Jobe Watch, y'all may not be familiar with it. Drunkfu made a comic strip focusing on Jobe's transformation to Jobette, and afterwards; it went off canon _very_ fast, while still remaining true to the Whateley essence. Total of 69 four panel issues. I think he has it on his DeviantArt page, so it should still be accessible, if not, as I said, I have all of it as a zip file. Very worth reading. At one point Gunny is drinking from a cup which says "#1 Dad", the Grunts ask about it, there's a flashback to Eldritch giving him the mug with the two of them being verbally abusive of each other, Gunny smiles, and says it's a gift from his loving daughter. Now, they don't know Eldritch has the cover identity of being Gunny's daughter, so they _all_ have this mental image of this enormous overmuscled tank of a black woman in a DI's uniform, and the expressions on their faces are priceless. And Bunny operating a car wash staffed by naked elves; Jobe and Belphebe. Of course, it's _dark_ in the car wash, so you can't see anything. Ayla gets a car _just_ to drive it through the car wash. Has night vision goggles. Doesn't help much. Sara is in the car with him, _her_ vision works just fine. Prior to the car wash being introduced, we have a sequence where Ms. Hartford's car is being absolutely buried in pigeon droppings, she has no idea why its happening, and we cut to Eldritch with cages of military trained pigeons, slipping them laxatives prior to sending them off toward Ms. Hartford's car. Like I said, goes off canon quickly, but stays true to the spirit.

Anyway, couldn't think of anyplace else to post about rereading Jobe Watch where they'd understand. And since this was the current Jobe discussion thread, there you go.

Yeah, it is hilarious. Despite not being actually canon, there's a link in Drunkfu's page at the Wiki.

Or, for the ones who don't want to go to all the trouble of visiting the wiki or searching for stuff, here it is: Jobe Watch .

Thread-necro is necromancy!

But I had a question, which I did pose on the discord channel. But it wasn't answered. Which is fine, I'll just post it here as well.

If the mutant-gene is, in fact, in the genes, and that accounts for the full spectrum of mutations...

If Drobe had all her Jobe-genes chomped by Carmilla, why is Drobe still a devisor then?

Is there some other, more key element of it that isn't known, or...?

Whelp, Greatdoggo, the Devisor-complex of neural passages was still intact in her brain, which was why she was still Jobe under all the babeage, and not a tabula ralsa piece of sweetmeat. If/when she has children, they will be Drow, but not have the Devisor gene.

For which blessings, the rest of the world is devoutly grateful

An excellent and quite believable explanation. Thank you

My own idea was that it had something to do with devisors pretty much being a form of reality-warpers. But yours is much better

If No, make that when Jobe has children does that mean that they will all be female? Or will (s)he have started a new race... And what about the drow that may exist in the Aether waiting for the proper moment to respawn when a mutant with the proper power set and maybe heritage appears!?
Something tells me that Fey's displeasure will seem like a gentle scolding to what might happen then... Will the world survive it!?

My understanding is that there is no drow "waiting in the aether", at least not ones similar to Jobe's version, which is based on D&D. There are supposed to be trow in the Whateley Universe, however, and not just pre-Sundering -- Nephandus' mom has a significant percentage of trow blood. I don't think the WU trow have coal-black skins; at least, the Troll Bride is light-skinned enough to feel comfortable in WWII Germany. One would think that if trow were as dark as Jobe thinks they are, she would look at least... Mediterranean?

Also, I don't think Jobe would have made his Drow bride to have only female offspring; after all, he would want a male heir himself. And since turning female, Jobette has considered creating male Drow, but she has to first work around the "sexual imprinting" she included in the Drow genome.

Do any Drow attend the school between the two generations of stories?

Unlikely. Drow are created by Jobe upon direct application by the candidate; for a Drow to be going to Whateley after Jobe graduates, one of the following circumstances would have to happen:
1. Later-class students (that is, ones who graduate after Jobe) are Drow-ized. Unlikely, because the school formally forbid her from creating more Drow.
2. Students go to Karedonia and apply to become Drow. Possible, but not very likely -- a Whateley student would have several other options to investigate before putting themselves under Jobe's power, and would be actively discouraged by teachers and, frankly, anybody who has ever met Jobe.
3. Student is turned into Drow before entering Whateley -- which would involve Jobe turning a child/tween, possibly pre-puberty. Given Jobe's selfishness, I don't see her interested.
4. Student is second-generation Drow. Eventually it will come up, but it's simply too early for that.
5. Student comes in contact with Drow formula in a way that bypasses Jobe's extensive security and lab safety precautions.Again, unlikely -- do you think Jobe would forget a flask of Drow formula just lying around at Whateley?
6. The Drow formula came from a different source than Jobe. Unlikely again; it took Jobe's formidable genius PLUS their biodevising power PLUS access to Fey's DNA (and possibly Carmilla's) to create the serum in the first place. The chances of this combination just showing up again with the same interests are quite low.

Still, "unlikely" is not the same as "impossible". You are free to think a way around the problems I outlined above.

Sir Lee wrote: Unlikely. Drow are created by Jobe upon direct application by the candidate; for a Drow to be going to Whateley after Jobe graduates, one of the following circumstances would have to happen:
1. Later-class students (that is, ones who graduate after Jobe) are Drow-ized. Unlikely, because the school formally forbid her from creating more Drow.
2. Students go to Karedonia and apply to become Drow. Possible, but not very likely -- a Whateley student would have several other options to investigate before putting themselves under Jobe's power, and would be actively discouraged by teachers and, frankly, anybody who has ever met Jobe.
3. Student is turned into Drow before entering Whateley -- which would involve Jobe turning a child/tween, possibly pre-puberty. Given Jobe's selfishness, I don't see her interested.
4. Student is second-generation Drow. Eventually it will come up, but it's simply too early for that.
5. Student comes in contact with Drow formula in a way that bypasses Jobe's extensive security and lab safety precautions.Again, unlikely -- do you think Jobe would forget a flask of Drow formula just lying around at Whateley?
6. The Drow formula came from a different source than Jobe. Unlikely again; it took Jobe's formidable genius PLUS their biodevising power PLUS access to Fey's DNA (and possibly Carmilla's) to create the serum in the first place. The chances of this combination just showing up again with the same interests are quite low.

Still, "unlikely" is not the same as "impossible". You are free to think a way around the problems I outlined above.

Of course, all of that becomes null and void the instant Karma finds a bottle of Drow formula that somehow escaped Jobe's security paranoia... And gets drowized....

Has anyone thought about the possibility of multiple devisors shifting their fields of interest or trying to branch out into bio-devising once they saw Jobe's drows? Or forget the whole shifting interests... ACTUAL bio-devisors trying to create something even remotely similar?

It honestly scares me to think about the sub-consequences brought on by the creation of the drow... Devisors like mages tend to be very competitive. If anyone does ANYTHING, suddenly everyone wants to top them. You made this, so I will make THAT but ten times better!

Honestly... Devisors are SCARY! For me, they are even scarier than mages. The Laws of Magic limit mages, there are things you simply cannot do without consequences. But what limits devisors?! When your power is literally some Warping sub-variant that lets you attune your creations to some alternate dimension with unknown rules, or limits, what if it has none of those....?

But well... It did take Jobe quite a few years to create the Drow serum so things aren't as simple as they seem... But let's also take into account the fact that Jobe is a perfectionist and quite cautious. Others simply go by trial and error.

As you say it did take Jobe many years to get it "right"... and the Animen projects took a long time too... so during Gen 1 stories I don't think we'll see too many other manufactured races spurred on by others successes... that doesn't mean we won't see some in Gen 2.

You are forgetting a couple details...

First, that Jobe's serum works on mutants, with an (apparent) zero failure rate, even overriding an incurable and lethal case of Chimerical Trait Acquisition -- and yet keeps the patients original powers in most cases. We know that Jobe somehow managed to acquire a sample of Fey's DNA, which is not easy; he also apparently managed to acquire a sample of Jade's induced Regen-5 DNA (which shouldn't be as hard except for the fact that you have to know it exists in the first place) which seems to have been an important piece of the puzzle.

Turning a mutant into a drow is not in the same league as turning a baseline human into an Animan. It's a much harder problem. Making someone who looks like one of Jobe's drow out of a baseline is probably feasible, but doing the full job? I expect a number of catastrophic failures.

Anyway, I don't see other devisors attempting to do a straight copy of the drow. I mean, it's not everybody's cup of tea. I would expect that they would attempt to recreate Jobe's process but doing their own designs.

In some ways multiple Devisors already have, with varying degrees of success.

Dr. DNA is probably the most successful, having created the Animen.

Dr. Pygmalion also successfully induced stable massive changes in his subjects/victims.

Dr. Macabre was a bit less successful with his monsters.

Dr. Venus is the least successful, as her victims tend to die off quickly.


I don't believe Jobe knows whose DNA provided the Regen genes, but he got it through a trade with Dr. Gellmar. Dr. Gellmar got it directly from Jade legally, through their work with Bioregenetics.

Thanks guys. I didn't think so, but I wanted to compare my reasoning with other peoples.