Question Aquerna
- Echo
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I also wonder if anyone at Whateley has ever tried taking safety shoes/boots into martial arts class or combat finals? Steel soles, toes and heels/ankles and optional electrical or other insulation should make for an interesting surprise. Klompen (dutch clogs) are too obvious but might be useful in demonstrations.
- Sir Lee
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Besides, she now has those nifty magic Snakey-hide boots which are way better, and stylish to boot (heh, unintentional pun). She might try wearing peep-toe shoes and sandals, worn with open toe stockings, when the weather is warm enough.
Re steel-toe boots for martial classes... I think that those sound right up Caitlin's alley. She is the kind of girl who would wear combat boots on a daily basis. Although they might be a tad too confining for parkour. Now, come to think of it, Zenith is rather tomboyish too, she might go for the boots.
- Echo
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Sir Lee wrote: I think that the main problem with steel-toed boots is that the steel is usually on the outside. Her nails would eat the leather from the inside out, opening a hole beneath the steel plate, which might not be visible but would negate a number of benefits of wearing shoes in the first place -- such as protecting your feet from cold and moisture.
Besides, she now has those nifty magic Snakey-hide boots which are way better, and stylish to boot (heh, unintentional pun). She might try wearing peep-toe shoes and sandals, worn with open toe stockings, when the weather is warm enough.
Re steel-toe boots for martial classes... I think that those sound right up Caitlin's alley. She is the kind of girl who would wear combat boots on a daily basis. Although they might be a tad too confining for parkour. Now, come to think of it, Zenith is rather tomboyish too, she might go for the boots.
I'm not talking about army boots here, but safety shoes/boots that get worn in industrial settings. Some of them are built with steel soles and toecaps and they're what you could wear while tromping around with lots of sharps on the floor. Many have a leather outer (and probably also an inner) shell covering the steel. Come think of it, Hazmat should know about them.
Yes, Aquerna getting her snakeskin boots does make this somewhat irrelevant, but that would still leave her with only one set of good shoes

- DanZilla
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Echo wrote: I also wonder if anyone at Whateley has ever tried taking safety shoes/boots into martial arts class or combat finals? Steel soles, toes and heels/ankles and optional electrical or other insulation should make for an interesting surprise. Klompen (dutch clogs) are too obvious but might be useful in demonstrations.
Sir Lee wrote: Re steel-toe boots for martial classes... I think that those sound right up Caitlin's alley. She is the kind of girl who would wear combat boots on a daily basis. Although they might be a tad too confining for parkour. Now, come to think of it, Zenith is rather tomboyish too, she might go for the boots.
Unless the boots, or other footwear, is required for student of school safety then it depends on what day of class, or type of class, is being attended. As has been shown, the standard-issue Gi is required for most classes and that is worn with bare feet in those instances. With street clothes or costumes the boots would be appropriate... other times, not.
The black woman fired off, “I am Amanda Tolman. Everyone who wishes to remain in this class will purchase a gi for practice. Unless otherwise notified, you will change into your gi before class. When the bell rings, you will begin in seiza position, lined up, as you see the more experienced students here. We will practice in a variety of situations, including street clothes, costumes, and real-life situations. However, most classes will be taught here, and you will be wearing gis. Any questions so far?”
Now, unless the boots were made with special "sheaths" for her toenails/claws then they would still tear-up the lining of even most specially-made steel-toed boots which leads to Sir Lee's statement that it would ruin the effectiveness of the boots overall. They may still "look" fine but would be losing structural integrity and weather-resistance. For instance... if it's 2-degrees (F) outside you don't want to be walking around with a steel plate touching the top of your toes/feet.
- Cryptic
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- Valentine
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Cryptic wrote: Or she could grow some self confidence and wear open toes shoes, or... Mmm, there's some X-man comic or fan fiction that had a discussion regarding a mutant with a mutation a lot like Beast's wearing shoes. Can't remember where I saw it off hand. Might have been a Twisting the Hellmouth fic.
Tough wearing open toed shoes in the snow. (I know I do it.)
Given the strength of her nails, without proper filing she's going to cut through steel toed boots.
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Ayla and the New School wrote: Then it was off to the Eastman Annex of Laird Hall, for what I was sure was going to be the class I was most anxious to transfer out of, even after enduring Powers Theory. Basic Martial Arts.
I walked in, and found that most of the class seemed to know what to do. That seemed like a bad omen for me. People had taken their shoes off and piled them by the door, then crowded to the edge of the mat. I shucked my shoes and followed. I could tell at once who knew anything about this kind of class.
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- Cryptic
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Valentine wrote:
Cryptic wrote: Or she could grow some self confidence and wear open toes shoes, or... Mmm, there's some X-man comic or fan fiction that had a discussion regarding a mutant with a mutation a lot like Beast's wearing shoes. Can't remember where I saw it off hand. Might have been a Twisting the Hellmouth fic.
Tough wearing open toed shoes in the snow. (I know I do it.)
Point.
Hmm... New Mobius project?
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- NJM1564
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Sir Lee wrote: Re steel-toe boots for martial classes... I think that those sound right up Caitlin's alley.
But would boots be allowed on the mats?
- Cryptic
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NJM1564 wrote:
Sir Lee wrote: Re steel-toe boots for martial classes... I think that those sound right up Caitlin's alley.
But would boots be allowed on the mats?
But Sensie,they are part of my protective gear. I would be holding back least I hurt myself, but with the boots I can kick at full strength Besides, you say use everything; ho can we learn to use everything if we are limited in what we can use?
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- Astrodragon
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- Esar
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Cryptic wrote: But Sensie,they are part of my protective gear. I would be holding back least I hurt myself, but with the boots I can kick at full strength Besides, you say use everything; ho can we learn to use everything if we are limited in what we can use?
Yeah, except when Ito wants you to learn to deal with something. I remember that in Reflections in an evil eye Ito refused Chaka to wear rubber shoes (and gloves) while fighting Blitz (who is an eletrical based energizer). Of course when he is fighting her himself, he does not put himself under such restrictions.
- NJM1564
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Esar wrote:
Cryptic wrote: But Sensie,they are part of my protective gear. I would be holding back least I hurt myself, but with the boots I can kick at full strength Besides, you say use everything; ho can we learn to use everything if we are limited in what we can use?
Yeah, except when Ito wants you to learn to deal with something. I remember that in Reflections in an evil eye Ito refused Chaka to wear rubber shoes (and gloves) while fighting Blitz (who is an eletrical based energizer). Of course when he is fighting her himself, he does not put himself under such restrictions.
Has Ito ever fought a student himself? I don't recall such an incident. Though nether would the student.

- Esar
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“Oh? And would you challenge me for the right to decide who will instruct whom?”
With a snide grin, Chaka leaned over and whispered into Blitz’ ear, “Before you say anything, look at his feet.”
Blitz’s eyes flickered down towards the feet sticking out from Ito-sensei’s hama [hama: loose black trousers worn by men in Japan, and by both sexes in martial arts practice]. She could tell that he was wearing rubber shoes. Making the best of a bad situation, Blitz said nothing, bowed, and left the mat.
But it seems that Ito kicking someone's ass by himself is a recurring lesson for the first class of the freshman year, to prove that they shouldn't overestimate themselves. He kicked Hank's butt.
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“But I believe that the best person for this demonstration is Mister Clark Langston. Silverwing. Would you please take your place on the mat opposite me?”
The dork in the silver costume got up and stood opposite sensei Ito.
Ito said, “I do not approve of superhero costumes in this class. Wear a gi to the next class, and do not wear this again to class unless asked. Understand?”
“Yes sir.” I could hear the nervousness in the boy’s voice from where I was sitting. Ito could probably smell it.
“Sensei. Call me sensei, or soke.”
“Yes, sensei.
“Silverwing. You are an AV-3, possessing the spirit of the eagle. You can fly. You are tough enough to resist small-caliber bullets. You can lift up to three tons with some effort. You have superhuman sight. You have a rattling ‘eagle scream’, and you can manifest an ‘eagle claw’ attack. Is that correct?”
“Yes, sensei.”
“But you are untrained. You did not take Basic Martial Arts last year.”
“My mother talked the guidance counselor out of it… sensei.”
Ito snapped, “And is your mother going to accompany you through life, talking supervillains out of attacking you?”
“Umm, no, sensei.” By now, the kid was beet red from his face down into his costume.
“You are superhuman, but untrained. I am completely human, but trained. I wish to fight you, to demonstrate what proper training may accomplish.”
The boy tried one more time, “Umm, I don’t know if that’s a good idea. What if you got hurt? I don’t want to hurt you, even by accident.”
“Then attempt to restrain me instead. Or to place me in the capture cage. If you can do that, then you have won the match.” Ito put out his hand, and the bo stick flew into it.
Oh. Teamwork with Tolman. She must have tossed it as soon as he started his motion.
“Since you are a new student, or kohai, let me explain that we begin on opposite sides of the mat, here and here. We bow to each other, but don’t take your eyes off me, then we wait for the referee, or Tolman sensei in this case, to begin the match by saying ‘hajime’, which means ‘begin’.”
The two of them faced each other across the mat. Silverwing took a deep breath and seemed to become somehow stronger. He still looked unsure of himself. Ito, on the other hand looked surprisingly confident as he moved into position. He moved with a smooth grace that for some reason reminded me of Toni dancing in the train depot.
“Hajime!” Tolman snapped.
Silverwing took one unsure step toward Ito. By the time he had completed the step, Ito had moved so close that Silverwing could have reached out and grabbed him.
Wing-boy tried it. He reached out.. and Ito was gone. Damn, that old man was fast! Ito was behind him, and Ito knew how to use that stick. The bo smacked Silverdork on the shins and the backs of the knees. Silverdork gasped in pain and staggered forward with one leg, just enough for Ito to strike in between the shins and send Silverdork to the floor.
Ito stepped a couple yards back and calmly said, “I was under the impression that you could fly and had several ranged attacks.”
Silverdolt immediately leapt to his feet and flew right at Ito. Sucker! Even I could see that this was a set-up, and I had no idea what Ito had planned. Silverdolt opened his mouth wide and let out an ear-piercing shriek, then manifested some sort of ‘eagle claws’ over his hands. But Ito wasn’t in front of him anymore. That old man was faster than lightning.
The students who were in front of Silverwing got the brunt of that scream, and most of them grabbed their ears in pain.
But Ito was moving behind Silverwing as he flew past, and he whacked upward with that bo, catching the flier right in the shins, with spectacular results. If Silverwing had been a bit higher, he might have spun in mid-air and recovered. If he had been a bit lower, he might have been able to reach out to the ground and catch himself.
Instead, Silverwing did a major faceplant, and then cartwheeled, head-over-heels, like he was in an anime. Frankly, I didn’t know whether to gasp in amazement, or laugh out loud. Neither did anyone else. A quiet wave of noises swept through all of us as we sat: there were gasps, and there were snickers, and there were winces, and there were even some girlish coos of compassion.
By the time Silverwing got to his feet, Ito was on the other side of the gym, waving the kid on. Silverwing soared up to the top of the gym and divebombed Ito. I could see those ‘eagle claws’ manifest as he came down.
At the very last second, Ito moved. He raised his hand and there was a brilliant flash of light that appeared to blind the flier. Ito was pretty much of a blur after that, but it looked like he pivoted, grabbed Silverdolt by one forearm, and gave him a judo throw that threw him tumbling through the air, straight into the capture cage. Silverwing hit the far side of the bars with an ‘oof’ we could hear across the gym, and Ito slammed the cage door on him.
Ito stared at the kid and said, “Do you yield, Silverwing?”
“Yes, sensei,” the kid groaned as he picked himself up off the floor of the cage.
Ito strode back to us and said, “You have just seen a highly trained human gain advantage over an extremely powerful mutant. Did I use tricks? Of course! That is one of the things my school will teach. There are many tricks to be aware of. Gas. Poisons. Flashes of blinding light. Ropes. Smoke screens. And, unfortunately, the ubiquitous gun. Do not be contemptuous of ‘ordinary humans’. I hope to teach you that any of you, all of you, can be vulnerable.”
Toni, of course, wanted to talk about Martial Arts. Especially the part about Ito letting Hank have it. Hank just sat there and blushed while Toni gave me the blow-by-blow description.
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- Cryptic
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- DanZilla
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Cryptic wrote: Do you think Anna sees calling the Cadets Secret Squirrels as an insult to her little friends?
Anna sat with Sergeant Mulgillicutty and Princess Abignale in the crotch of a huge tree watching the silly squirrels tracking back-and-forth in the field below her...
*chitter-chitter* said Sergeant Mulgillicutty to which Princess Abignale responded with a *Chk-chK-tiK*... "Oh, I agree with you both... there's really nothing "secret" about those stupid-heads. Now show me again how you do the 'Barking-thing no see myself' thing you were telling me about."
- Rose Bunny
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Maybe if she had some sort of soft shoe like a moccasin with slits that she could flex her toes out of?
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- Valentine
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How dense is
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- null0trooper
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Rose Bunny wrote: Steel-toed boots would hamper her climbing ability, since she would need her toe claws to dig into the surface and grip.
Maybe if she had some sort of soft shoe like a moccasin with slits that she could flex her toes out of?
Somehow, I see her more as a Birkenstocks kind of girl.
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Why again does tisiphone like Anna? I can't for the life of me remember if I've ever even read that part before.
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- Valentine
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Iwasforger03 wrote: Unrelated questions the current discussion.
Why again does tisiphone like Anna? I can't for the life of me remember if I've ever even read that part before.
It could be several reasons, but Aquerna did save one of the TNTs life during Halloween.
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Iwasforger03 wrote: Why again does tisiphone like Anna? I can't for the life of me remember if I've ever even read that part before.
Where'd you read that she does like Anna?
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null0trooper wrote:
Iwasforger03 wrote: Why again does tisiphone like Anna? I can't for the life of me remember if I've ever even read that part before.
Where'd you read that she does like Anna?
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"With a couple of security guards shadowing your patients randomly and periodically, the gossip mill will get the word out really fast." He paused. "Let's find TNT."
"Don't worry about them," Bellows snickered.
Delarose frowned. "Why not? They're well-known bullies."
"Not since they started dating the Furies."
"What? When did that start?" Delarose asked, perplexed. "And Tisiphone is borderline UV herself."
"Tisiphone and Nitro became an item sometime after the incident with Kayda and Loophole. And for some reason, she's very fond of Anna, which is extremely surprising, since Anna is also a good friend of Ayla."
"Tissy's mortal enemy."
"Precisely. I haven't been able to get her to tell me why she's fond of Anna, though."
"Are you sure? Those guys are habitual offenders. In fact, the Furies aren't exactly girl-scouts!"
"If Tisiphone likes Anna, she'll make sure the boys and her friends don't do anything to hurt her," Bellows explained.
Delarose mouth opened as if to ask a question, but then his jaw dropped and he googled as the doctor nodded knowingly. Delarose slowly closed his mouth. "That," he muttered unhappily, "is a mental image I could have done without."
Another possibility is that after Tisiphone's change, Aquerna didn't change the way she treated her. Just as friendly as she with most everyone.
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- Iwasforger03
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- Sir Lee
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- DanZilla
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Sir Lee wrote: Why wouldn't she like Anna? EVERYBODY likes Anna.
Okay... so the current theory is thast Anna's a Squirrel-Sidhe with an "everybody-likes-me" glamour?

- Valentine
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Sir Lee wrote: Why wouldn't she like Anna? EVERYBODY likes Anna.
Everyone except Buster.
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- Iwasforger03
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I wonder if maybe Anna's gonna start to feel some extra juice coming from somewhere... at first she'll think it was those chili dogs she ate before the game (hey, it was that, or let Nate get them), but then...
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Iwasforger03 wrote: So it occurs to me... if there's a World Tree at Whateley now... in Norse Mythology, the tree is guarded, or scourged, by a squirrel monster that drives people insane with its chatter and is very malevolent and can go anywhere by climbing the tree...
Yggdrasil pretty much exists between and among the Nine Worlds, and Ratatoskr mostly bugs the eagle living in the upper branches and the dragon gnawing at the roots with its gossip because the two are too stupid/prideful/etc. to cross-check the tree-rat's stories. That doesn't mean the two trees are the same thing. There's even a good possibility that it would have been a yew instead of ash.
< Insert diatribe against the Sidhe "We originated EVERYTHING except the Bastard" PR machine >
More seriously, it's a sapling that will require decades to centuries to get itself established. It may be more impressive than kudzu, but it's Not There Yet.
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You are missing a crucial difference here. In the Norse mythology, there is a single ridiculously-humongous World Tree, Yggdrasil, that spans the Nine Worlds. In the Whateley Mythos-Lite, there's theoretically any number of World Trees, which are... well, probably quite big, considering the size of the seed, but I doubt they are anywhere in the same scale as Yggdrasil. Maybe redwood-sized, when adult.
Meaning that the World Tree Fey planted in the Grove is NOT Yggdrasil, and therefore Ratatoskr wouldn't necessarily be scampering on its branches.
Also, the tree Nikki planted is just a seedling right now. I expect those trees to grow very slowly. By the time it left the "sapling" stage and can be rightfully worth calling a tree, Anna will probably have graduated. Maybe her great-grandchildren will have graduated.
(Edit: damn, Ninja'd)
- Cryptic
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I am a caffeine heathen; I prefer the waters of the mountain over the juice of the bean. Keep the Dews coming and no one will be hurt.
- Sir Lee
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Straight from the Squirrels Mouth wrote: Anna didn’t say anything to that, because the last birthday party she had was her and four of her friends at her house, having some cake and ice cream and watching a couple movies.
This tells us that her birthday did not fall in the September-January range.
On the other hand, a few chapters before that, her Whateley friends mention that they have to buy her a birthday present. So it was probably getting close. My bet would be on February.
- Cryptic
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I am a caffeine heathen; I prefer the waters of the mountain over the juice of the bean. Keep the Dews coming and no one will be hurt.