Question Thuban

I'm kinda surprised there isn't a Thuban thread yet. Sooo, here we go!

I am currently rereading Ayla and the Birthday Brawl, and I have been wondering what lies in Thuban's future. I don't recall hearing anything about him in fall 2007. Will Thuban be given voice now that Babs is no longer writing? I understand we won't be seeing any more 1st person Jade stories. Will someone else continue the Thuban storyline? His part of Jade's tales gave definition to Faction 3 and life in Twain Cottage.

Thanks. Hope this helps!

marie7342231 wrote: I'm kinda surprised there isn't a Thuban thread yet. Sooo, here we go!

I am currently rereading Ayla and the Birthday Brawl, and I have been wondering what lies in Thuban's future. I don't recall hearing anything about him in fall 2007. Will Thuban be given voice now that Babs is no longer writing? I understand we won't be seeing any more 1st person Jade stories. Will someone else continue the Thuban storyline? His part of Jade's tales gave definition to Faction 3 and life in Twain Cottage.

Thanks. Hope this helps!

I think, that Thuban is enough of a Babs character that no one else will be willing to write him, certainly they won't write him without the agreement of his original author. I have a little fan fiction that I hesitate to continue, as it involves Kayda fairly strongly. And Kayda is Elrod's character thus anything I use her in extensively, and I think I will need to use her as more than a walk on character, means he will need to break out time to at least review what I've written.

Thuban took over the time slot previously occupied by The Peeper and Greasy Show on W.A.R.S. with his broadcast, The Dragon's Den.

E. E. Nalley wrote: Thuban took over the time slot previously occupied by The Peeper and Greasy Show on W.A.R.S. with his broadcast, The Dragon's Den.

Does this mean you intend to take over writing Thuban? Are you sure you and Elrod are not just noms de plume for the Morpheus collective?

The problem for anyone new writing Thuban is...Jade. As long as they are dating, there has to be some degree of development as far as she goes. Given that He was set on helping her become as female as she can be, there would have to be successes or failures in those regards. To what point does their relationship progress, does it get stuck stagnating in that kissing and hugging stage, how do you advance it? Would there be progression to a "next level"?
For that matter, what of the company that he was planning on with Jade and Billie? A large part of that was researching advances using their unique physiologies, and the thought of helping Jade become fully female was in that.

That was pretty much my point as well, Ms Bunny, that is that Thuban is pretty much entangled with Jade, therefore at best we're going to see him in Cameo. That is unless someone has received permission to write Jade, or there are Jade stories hiding out there that we don't know about? New ones by her author. But I thought that Jade's author was one of the people presumed dead?

Anne wrote: But I thought that Jade's author was one of the people presumed dead?

It's a possibility, but not a certainty.

There's been no internet action using the name Babs Yerunkle for around 10 years now.
Even Tenyo Goes to Hell was apparently in the queue for years before being published iirc.

annachie wrote: There's been no internet action using the name Babs Yerunkle for around 10 years now.
Even Tenyo Goes to Hell was apparently in the queue for years before being published iirc.

That has been my impression. There are a few things other than death that could cause that but pretty much they all have the same effect. Babs may not be dead but she is unable or unwilling to communicate. See Ellen Hayes for another... Yeah I hoped for more authentic Tuck.

But apparently someone has been paying the domain registration an hosting fees for Ellen's site. So... I haven't entirely lost hope yet.

Oh, and unrelated (it wasn't maintained by Ellen, but by BigCloset), the Tuckerspawn forums are finally back online. Not that there was much activity even before it went down...

annachie wrote: There's been no internet action using the name Babs Yerunkle for around 10 years now.
Even Tenyo Goes to Hell was apparently in the queue for years before being published iirc.

Wow, 10 years? While I have ZERO authority and I do not know any of the canon parties personally, I wonder if someone would be interested in (and their music willing to) take on the Babs Yerunkle force (a la Champion force) and continue these threads? Jade was such a central and meaningful character along with the J team, Thuban, and everyone else Babs wrote. Maybe a deadline for when someone could take over if Babs does not surface in the coming months/years?

Again, it's not my call. I'm just thinking about plan B and if the canon team has given this any thought.

Remember the Mouse, if Disney has their way copyright will be forever... 70 years now. So write derivative work. That is what I'm doing. Not even fan fiction that stars Jade. I couldn't do her or Tenyo justice. So I won't go there and certainly none of the current canon cabal will do so because they wouldn't want others to do that to their work.

marie7342231 wrote: Again, it's not my call. I'm just thinking about plan B and if the canon team has given this any thought.

Actually, they did. Which is why Gen 2 has agreements in place to cover this.
They talked about it when gen 2 was set up.

As for Babs' work, well it's a murky point of copyright law.
Murky is of course lawyer speak for lots of money.


Which is slightly disappointing as Thurban is a power player at Whateley, whose only allowed to play in the background.

annachie wrote: Which is slightly disappointing as Thurban is a power player at Whateley, whose only allowed to play in the background.

That seems to be his preferred role.

One does wonder how a sophomore could already be a power player at the start of the 06/07 school year, although being rich is a super power... Telling that story of his freshman year, including founding Faction Three while Freya was reigning queen bee of the Alphas, without rendering his later involvement with Jade OOC could be interesting. But does the interest lie within his character and story, or does it lie with him being Jade's high-school boyfriend?

If the latter, perhaps it's better that he remains a background character?

annachie wrote: As for Babs' work, well it's a murky point of copyright law.
Murky is of course lawyer speak for lots of money.

Wow, is all of this subject to copyright law if it isn't published under a legal name through a publishing house or legal entity? I'm no lawyer but it doesn't seem too firm.

marie7342231 wrote:

annachie wrote: As for Babs' work, well it's a murky point of copyright law.
Murky is of course lawyer speak for lots of money.

Wow, is all of this subject to copyright law if it isn't published under a legal name through a publishing house or legal entity? I'm no lawyer but it doesn't seem too firm.

Short answer: Yes. We respect it because whether or not any of us make a sou from it, we all believe that in order for us to ever have a hope of making more than a sou from our writing we must have copyright protection, that includes stuff that is posted to a forum like this, let alone anything that is 'published' as part of the IF or canon works here.

Under the Berne Convention, the only requirement for a work receiving copyright protection is that it be placed in a "fixed form" -- that is, written down, recorded, performed in front of witnesses or such. You can't claim copyright about vague ideas that you haven't bothered to give form, but that's about it. There are provisions for dealing with pseudonymous and anonymous work which were not explicitly placed into public domain, too.
Registering a work with some sort of official body (such as your country's national library) helps with proving authorship in case of disputes, but it's not required.

Pre-Berne, rules were different. But even the U.S., which was one of the last significant holdouts, converted to the Berne system back in the Seventies.