Question Shisa

Does Gen2's, really any year's, cat girl trigger any allergies? (I know it's likely on a case by case / as story warrants basis)

Dont know but one thing is certain, despite having severe full body GSD, she probably has the easiest time blending in...

I think Shisa is one of the most tragic characters in all of Whateley. She'll never be able to have a normal life, go on dates, have kids. She will be bullied by people that learn her secret. I can see a story about some jackass throwing her in a pen with a tomcat, so they can "get her laid".

Rose Bunny wrote: I think Shisa is one of the most tragic characters in all of Whateley. She'll never be able to have a normal life, go on dates, have kids. She will be bullied by people that learn her secret.

Ebon Scale has children, though with IVF that might not be the difficult part.

Rose Bunny wrote: I can see a story about some jackass throwing her in a pen with a tomcat, so they can "get her laid".

Hm. It's Whateley. I can picture a story where that goes horribly wrong for the jerk.

null0trooper wrote: Ebon Scale has children, though with IVF that might not be the difficult part.

But Ebon is larger than a human, and is oviparous as well.

Shisa is the size and physical shape of a house cat. Additionally, a newborn baby is about the same size as she is.
That brings up all sorts of issues about how she would take care of a humanoid baby.

Rose Bunny wrote:

null0trooper wrote: Ebon Scale has children, though with IVF that might not be the difficult part.

But Ebon is larger than a human, and is oviparous as well.

Shisa is the size and physical shape of a house cat. Additionally, a newborn baby is about the same size as she is.
That brings up all sorts of issues about how she would take care of a humanoid baby.

Yeah, Shisa certainly seems to be condemned to a life that makes her exceedingly lonely. After all she most likely will be unable to communicate fully except with her telepathy and her chances of a meaningful relationship leading to children certainly seems to be nil given what we've seen of her so far.

Shisa is hardly unique regarding the lack of physically compatible potential sexual partners. Consider Razorback, for instance. And wasn't there a student made of light?

Prior to the readers learning about Home where Sapphire is from, there really wasn't any place we were really aware of that mutants with severe GSD could really live and even pretend to have a normal life.

There were the more tolerant cities around the US, hero/villain organizations and freelancing, parts of Australia, or supporting the biz on either side. That was really about it. No places where someone might want to be a rancher or farmer, be a banker or financial analyst, or work in health care.

Looking at Pinball, not even the pretties can really hope for a completely normal life. She wanted to be an architect. So GSD only makes it worse.

But it isn't just her GSD that makes Shisa so tragic. Her size (Teri's too) put even further constraints on what she can do for a living. Maybe Shisa some keyboard focused jobs? Stay at Whateley as an adviser?

Sir Lee wrote: Shisa is hardly unique regarding the lack of physically compatible potential sexual partners. Consider Razorback, for instance. And wasn't there a student made of light?

Fubar, Grabby, Puppet, and probably others I can't think of off the top of my head.

The canon version of Tink, unless she's different from the original and can change size.

Rose Bunny wrote:

null0trooper wrote: Ebon Scale has children, though with IVF that might not be the difficult part.

But Ebon is larger than a human, and is oviparous as well.

Shisa is the size and physical shape of a house cat. Additionally, a newborn baby is about the same size as she is. That brings up all sorts of issues about how she would take care of a humanoid baby.

Humans don't lay eggs, so there's some hope that gestation and early development would be compatible with the mother's form. Otherwise, every conception would result in miscarriages around week 16. Marsupials are born very young, so there may be a chance for a "normal" birth, with a long nursing period. If the kittens grow too large before they can be weaned, the energy cost of nursing will require bottle feeding to supplment it ("in the wild" this would be a lethal mutation) It would seem that a full-time partner if not an entire tribe would be needed to support the offspring surviving to adulthood.

The question is whether Shisa would want to play Eve to a species of tool-using telepathic felines with the mental capacity of a child.

Also, the consequences of them escaping to the wild might be steep, but that's how Mama Gaia rolls.

JG wrote: we will ignore the likelihood of ANYONE taking instruction or orders from a housecat.

Considering how many people take orders from the voices in their head, PLUS the lengths some people will go to accommodate their "fur babies", I'd say you're being optimistic.

JG wrote: No well-adjusted individual would take orders from a cat. and no unstable person would be safe for her to interact with.

my assessment is extremely cynical

You clearly don't live with cats then, because they are obeyed all the time....

Anne wrote: Shisa certainly seems to be condemned to a life that makes her exceedingly lonely. After all she most likely will be unable to communicate fully except with her telepathy and her chances of a meaningful relationship leading to children certainly seems to be nil given what we've seen of her so far.

When did Shisa get telepathy? I caught up on all the stories in the last 3 weeks, but I must have missed that scene.

And I'm in agreement that her life would be lonely, because not only does she have the speech and body problem, but as was shown in her first big appearance she doesn't live with her family.

As for allergies, she doesn't strike me as the type of person to lick herself, so the most common allergy wouldn't be a problem. If I was writing her, I'd go with what fit the story or was funniest.

Domoviye wrote:

Anne wrote: Shisa certainly seems to be condemned to a life that makes her exceedingly lonely. After all she most likely will be unable to communicate fully except with her telepathy and her chances of a meaningful relationship leading to children certainly seems to be nil given what we've seen of her so far.

When did Shisa get telepathy? I caught up on all the stories in the last 3 weeks, but I must have missed that scene.

I don't think we've heard anything about Shisa's powers - I get the impression she really doesn't have any, just the physical changes. I think people are confusing her with Telekat, who was one of the two cat-girls introduced in "Myriad Meetings" shortly after Tanya met Shisa (the final one was Mad Cat, who was described as a teleporter but nothing else was said about her powers).

Actually, even with Telekat, we don't know if she has telepathy, as all she mentioned was telekinesis (her conversation with Reinforce gives the impression that she might be a devisor or gadgeteer as well, though the shock wand could easily be a holdout that she bought or was given). Her 'assessment' of Invictus might have been telepathic, but it seemed more just careful observation (followed by careless banter).

That makes sense.
For a moment there I thought I'd missed something important.

Has their been any speculation as to whether Shisa is an Avatar, an Exemplar, a CTA victim, or that there was any other possible cause of her transformation other than 'actual' (i.e., genetic) GSD?

I'm specifically wondering if she might be hosting a spirit along the lines a Cait Sith or a Bakeneko, or even a named spirit such as Tybalt (though I would expect her to be male - possibly as a changeling - if the latter).

Conversely, should could have a Faerie mutation, in which case she could actually be a Cait Sith.

If it's a case like Razorback where BIIIIG spirit in tiny hallow... one would have to wonder just HOW BIG a cat spirit it is, in terms of stature. Of course, we know one famous feline spirit is probably spoken for.

Rose Bunny wrote: If it's a case like Razorback where BIIIIG spirit in tiny hallow... one would have to wonder just HOW BIG a cat spirit it is, in terms of stature. Of course, we know one famous feline spirit is probably spoken for.

Many more to come?

Well, it's not likely to be Bast, anyway. Bast is a goddess, not a run-of-the-mill spirit, and acts through Paladins such as Miyet, not Avatars. Unless something pretty serious happened to her between Gen1 and Gen2... not really out of the realms of possibility, considering the big confrontation with the Bastard and other Mythos baddies due to happen sometime. Bast might have got mixed up on that and came out seriously weakened... enough to resort to hiding in an Avatar.to recover. Pretty much any Avatar would be too weak to house Bast without consequences.

JG wrote: My assessment is that Shisa is pretty much living in a kafka-esque hell from her perspective.

Even razorback would have an easier time convincing a random cop that he was an actual person with rights under the law than Shisa would.

She may be adorable, but for the human psyche being stuck as a small animal would be extremely harmful no matter what the ultimate cause.

I'm not sure if it's Canon or Non-Canon Extended Fiction, but there was one story about an Avatar who changed almost completely into a canine form.

IIRC it was only when they came into contact with a WA student with psychic powers that made the student realise that it wasn't just a stray dog, but something more. I think that the student was going to introduce them to Louis as a way of getting a better grip on what had happened.

Are you thinking of the one I wrote? Nowhereville or A Boy Named Kelly were the titles I posted parts of it under.... Of course Kelly has the honor of hosting the Trickster.... er Coyote!

No, I think I remember the story Mister D mentioned. I think it was back in the old site, possibly in one of the "Timeout" tales by John from Wauwatosa.

That was the theme of one of Morpheus' Twisted universe tales. Don't remember which one, but one poor guy, when he got his Twist, he ended up looking like a dog. A talking dog. Only Twisted kids recognized him (he saved them from an angry mob, actually) and took him home, where dad (also twisted, IIRC) got him a job as a police-dog. The town was a sanctuary for twisted, so it was not a big deal there.

Elrod is right, that's the one I half-remembered. Morpheus, not John from Wauwatosa.

If she was bigger I'd suggest a Sphinx spirit fit her look, or at least how I picture her.

Of course, if she has simply GSD, then getting a tiny hallow and cramming in a large spirit to force spirit-hallow mismatch syndrome might be a way to 'fix' her. But the risks - that powerful of a spirit might subsume her own soul, or it might tear hear apart (in the metaphysical sense). Probably a bit less risky than messing with a BIT...

The real question regarding Shisa is: is she a shiksa?

(I really have to get some sleep, my brain is taking me some odd places...)

At least she is unlikely to be an avatar hosting the Cheshire Cat.

She may be a cat at first (and second) glance, but she at least is not prone to dissapearing leaving behind only a mysterious smile...

Erianaiel wrote: At least she is unlikely to be an avatar hosting the Cheshire Cat.

She may be a cat at first (and second) glance, but she at least is not prone to dissapearing leaving behind only a mysterious smile...

she does still have her little people hands, which is disconcerting enough.