Question [G2] Glyph / Bianca
- Kristin Darken
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Creator: Morpheus
Fate guard you and grant you a Light to brighten your Way.
- Darkmuse
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I'm sure her power set will be interesting...
- Morpheus
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The waking world is but a dream.
- Domoviye
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That or she's a wizard.
- Phoenix Spiritus
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- Valentine
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Don't Drick and Drive.
- mittfh
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Perhaps she could carry a supply of flipchart sheets with nearly complete glyphs inscribed (so just throw on the ground, connect the last bit of the circle, and activated) or stencils and spraycans.
So far, I'm pegging her as the character most likely to be seen in the Art Department (will she be impressed by the staff? Will her art skills improve? Will her work be imperfect? Will she impersonate famous painters or other artists of importance? Will she impulsively implement improbable plans?)
As the right side of the brain controls the left side of the body, then only left-handers are in their right mind!
- Domoviye
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- Morpheus
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The waking world is but a dream.
- NeoMagus
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mittfh wrote: So far, I'm pegging her as the character most likely to be seen in the Art Department (will she be Impressed by the staff? Will her art skills Improve? Will her work be Imperfect? Will she Impersonate famous painters or other artists of Importance? Will she Impulsively Implement Improbable plans?)
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Just couldn't resist, could you?

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- Ametros
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So I guess I'll be looking forward to when and how Bianca will deviate (however large or small) from the "precedent", as that very "precedent" has always had enough of a twist (heh) to differentiate it.
Looking forward to what comes.

Seriously, thank you for your time and effort. It is appreciated.
- Domoviye
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And will she try to make her family a little more legit when she takes control? If she takes control.
- Ametros
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On that note, the two come from very different backgrounds, and indeed directly opposing ones. It shall be interesting to see how interactions between the two unfold.
Seriously, thank you for your time and effort. It is appreciated.
- Arcanist Lupus
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"Shared pain is lessened; shared joy, increased — thus do we refute entropy." - Spider Robinson
- NeoMagus
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Arcanist Lupus wrote: Two figgy puddings on them ending up as roommates.
We'll have to wait and see, won't we?


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- Sir Lee
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- Malady
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Red Court Vampire: Bianca St. Claire.
Any connections? ... Other than that they're both magical Chicago women at who control criminal organizations...
... "Written in Blood"... "Red Court Vampire" ... Hmmmm...
- Kristin Darken
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Topic Author
Fate guard you and grant you a Light to brighten your Way.
- DanZilla
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Kristin Darken wrote: Wait... are you saying the Morpheus collective has absorbed Jim Butcher?
I noticed Butcher had slowed his Dresden Files release schedule... maybe the collective will speed things back up again.
- Valentine
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DanZilla wrote:
Kristin Darken wrote: Wait... are you saying the Morpheus collective has absorbed Jim Butcher?
I noticed Butcher had slowed his Dresden Files release schedule... maybe the collective will speed things back up again.
Or maybe it's slowed down because he's writing Whateley tales.
Don't Drick and Drive.
- Sir Lee
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- Morpheus
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I chose Bianca as Bryan's new name, because the name means 'white' and I chose St. Claire as a last name, because I saw it in some movie credits and thought that Bianca St. Claire had a nice ring to it.
The waking world is but a dream.
- Malady
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Morpheus wrote: I'm afraid that the name is pure coincidence. I have read the Dresden Files, but had completely forgotten about that character, so the similarities were not at all intentional.
I chose Bianca as Bryan's new name, because the name means 'white' and I chose St. Claire as a last name, because I saw it in some movie credits and thought that Bianca St. Claire had a nice ring to it.
Makes sense. Bianca's last name isn't mentioned much at all, IIRC, I had to look her up to see enough to make the connection.
I wonder if "Written in Blood" hints of blood magic runes... Likely not...
I'm also wondering about how she gains new body runes/glyphs... She's only got 16, and presuming her body matches her grandmother's precisely, that means that the other White Ladies had only 15 runes before.
Possibly, those runes are for the protection, anti-aging, and various other spells applied by the First? I would have expected a more elaborate diagrams, spells and sigils for those spells.
But, perhaps they're stored spells, and Bianca's Wizard Trait or whatever, means that she's building up Essence and it's expressing Essence leaks by forming the skin glyphs... Have too many, and they'll start auto-activating? ... Likely not burning out though... Or maybe, as having Essence Leaks might be straining her mutant power. ... Unless she is actually purely Modified.
... It's not like Whateley does blood tests for MGC, no wait, or maybe they do? Either way, they can't discriminate entrance for mutants-only...
She seems to bleed like a human, no strangely colored blood and stuff... "Crimson Blood" from Part 2...
Crimson blood
- Ametros
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Malady wrote: I wonder if "Written in Blood" hints of blood magic runes... Likely not...
I'm also wondering about how she gains new body runes/glyphs... She's only got 16, and presuming her body matches her grandmother's precisely, that means that the other White Ladies had only 15 runes before.
I interpret the title as referring to the hereditary inheritance of the title and powers of the White Lady.
As for the runes, I'm assuming (possibly incorrectly) that they are later personal additions, not tied inherently to the White Lady.
Seriously, thank you for your time and effort. It is appreciated.
- Morpheus
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The waking world is but a dream.
- Malady
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Morpheus wrote: The runes on Glyph's skin are visual representations of all the spells that are bonded to her. These include the elemental spells, the translation and regeneration spells, and the ones that bind them all together and allow them to be passed down through the bloodline.
Hmm... 1 Rune / Spell, I assume...
Four on the right arm, one being just below the elbow, another on the back of the hand, and an Air rune, original to her, on her right palm.
One on the right upper arm
Seven of them running across her back, from her right shoulder to her left hip
Three on the left leg
One on the stomach.
Most of them are about three inches across, except the one on the middle of the back, which is five inches across.
Translation, Healing, that's gotta be 2 Runes. There's the Deaf to Magic and Mute to Magic... Which might be 2 Runes or 1...
So much to speculate on, like:
...How many runes to bind all the spells together? Perhaps it's the big one on her back? Location might mean something? Like perhaps the right side is Air-aligned or something...
And/Or clustering has some significance, like the line across her back...
I wonder how many elements she has immediate access to? We know about Air...
EDIT: The stomach Rune is for the womb or something! That's gotta be the Inheritence Rune!
- Otherself
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Naturally this would be a way around her weakness, so it might be balanced by having less bang for buck than the written form because it's a way that has been used far less than the written form, or maybe not, after all Bianca is Properly Paranoid and it would make sense for her to use this ability as little so that possible people understimate her (kind like the Messenger didn't think she would use a gun).
Aside from that I think that she should try to develop two abilities:
- precasting spells for later use (I'm assuming that it was what Alvery wanted to use on the guys harrassing Taka in I Don't Think We're in Kansas Anymore - part 4), so that she has spells ready to cast without deepping into her essence pool (she has already paid the essence price and has regained the essence back)
- making her spells work at range so that if she needs an effect on a target she doesn't need to write the rune on the target itself, that would make harder to shot/stab/maul her while she's trying to reach her target and would make harder to get caught in the effect of the spell
Also, can't she push essence into her built-in spells to enhance their effect and/or have them stay active for longer periods of time and/or recharge faster? You know, boosting her regeneration could be very useful, as could be having her elemental spells last longer and being able to use them more often.
And then there's the question about her Avatar trait, the White Lady's legacy never needed an Avatar trait or an hallow to bond with a proper host, and since Bryan has become fully Bianca the legacy should have integrated completely leaving the Avatar trait and its hallow free, hence Bianca should be able to host a spirit. What kind of spirit do you guys think would fit her? Personally I think that something like a Femme Fatale spirit, something that helps her with things like femminity and seduction, enhancing her social skill....
Speaking of spirits, are we sure Lenore is just a familiar? I Written in Blood - part 2 she flies through a closed window as if she was immaterial, couldn't she be the manifestation of the previous White Ladies? Couldn't Bianca become the Avatar of the White Lady? Gaining access to the memories and the knowledge of her predecessors (and maybe some lovely voices in her head mentoring her)?... Also she may get the ability of sprouting wings (going white angel if you will), after all Lenore is a bird.
- Ametros
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Otherself wrote: at very least she should start going around with sheats having spells pre-written on them, it would cut down the casting time considerably.
This is something that Morpheus has done before, so the matter is whether it gets played out again, or not - and the peculiarities of it either way.
Also, can't she push essence into her built-in spells to enhance their effect and/or have them stay active for longer periods of time and/or recharge faster? You know, boosting her regeneration could be very useful, as could be having her elemental spells last longer and being able to use them more often.
Likely possible, but not necessarily. At any rate, it's fairly well established that raw power is a pretty poor use of magical essence. For something as useful as the regeneration it would be great if possible, but the rest would be rather wasteful.
And then there's the question about her Avatar trait, the White Lady's legacy never needed an Avatar trait or an hallow to bond with a proper host, and since Bryan has become fully Bianca the legacy should have integrated completely leaving the Avatar trait and its hallow free, hence Bianca should be able to host a spirit. What kind of spirit do you guys think would fit her? Personally I think that something like a Femme Fatale spirit, something that helps her with things like femminity and seduction, enhancing her social skill....
This is one of the big questions, isn't it? Whether Bianca's hallow is free for another spirit or not. Personally, I could see it easily going either way, so best to wait.

Seriously, thank you for your time and effort. It is appreciated.
- Arcanist Lupus
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What does it take for a language to be translatable? Could she translate Linear A, or other dead languages that haven't been translated yet? What about dead languages that have been translated*? What about a "language" invented on the spot? Coded messages? Idioms? Puns? Abbreviations/Acronyms? Legalese? Really bad handwriting?
What about sheet music, or other "languages" that aren't related to the written word? Braille? Programming languages? Binary?
*Biblical Hebrew gets an extra special mention here for being mostly known, but containing a few words whose meaning is uncertain.
"Shared pain is lessened; shared joy, increased — thus do we refute entropy." - Spider Robinson
- Sir Lee
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Another interesting question would be "how sophisticated must a cryptosystem be to defeat Bianca's autotranslating power?" I expect she would read any naive cypher, such as the Caesar cypher, as easily as plaintext. On the other extreme, top-of-line cryptosystems, such as AES are probably too much for her. The middle ground, however, is interesting... is she able to crack Enigma? What about DES? Triple-DES?
- Phoenix Spiritus
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Sir Lee wrote: Well, I don't know about the others, but Braille shouldn't be a problem -- it's not a language, it's (mostly) a funny-looking typographical font, from the perspective of sighted people.It doesn't require hardly any linguistic prowess -- only pattern recognition (which set of dots matches which letter and such).
Another interesting question would be "how sophisticated must a cryptosystem be to defeat Bianca's autotranslating power?" I expect she would read any naive cypher, such as the Caesar cypher, as easily as plaintext. On the other extreme, top-of-line cryptosystems, such as AES are probably too much for her. The middle ground, however, is interesting... is she able to crack Enigma? What about DES? Triple-DES?
So, non-word-of-god, but I expect she'd be able to crack an encryption and the simpler types of cyphers, but an actual code would defeat her.
Encryption and cyphers are just changing which symbols mean what, similar to translating something into a new language. Each 'encryption' or cypher should therefore be as easy for her to read as any other language. On the other hand a 'code', where you give things code names and refer things like 'tanks' as 'turtles' would defeat her. A code is not a new language, but a re-interpretation of words. Turtle still means turtle, and is still read as turtle, but someone "in" on the code knows that it is referring to tanks. So Bianca would probably read a coded message no better then anyone else that could read the language the message was in, i.e. just the base words with no insights into what the coded words are meaning.
- DanZilla
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Sir Lee wrote: Well, I don't know about the others, but Braille shouldn't be a problem -- it's not a language, it's (mostly) a funny-looking typographical font, from the perspective of sighted people.It doesn't require hardly any linguistic prowess -- only pattern recognition (which set of dots matches which letter and such).
Another interesting question would be "how sophisticated must a cryptosystem be to defeat Bianca's autotranslating power?" I expect she would read any naive cypher, such as the Caesar cypher, as easily as plaintext. On the other extreme, top-of-line cryptosystems, such as AES are probably too much for her. The middle ground, however, is interesting... is she able to crack Enigma? What about DES? Triple-DES?
A lot of that depends on how "smart" the spell on her is... The spell allows for on-the-fly translation as she encounters the language... does it take into account the writer's intended message or just the literal translation of the words. If it's just a literal translation then even simple substitution cyphers would stymie her... on the other hand in various languages she reads there are sure to be idioms that would throw her without some means of correction built in.
- Kettlekorn
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I mean, how is redefining "Turtle" any different from the third White Lady redefining the arbitrary marks she used for her personal diary language?
Perhaps Glyph's power has nothing to do with decoding at all, and it's really a magical sort of psychometry. No matter how heavily encrypted, very nearly every message will have ultimately originated from a conscious mind -- even if that mind is just a sleep deprived programmer writing down a list of possible error messages for a program to select from. If the magic simply traces the data back to its conception, there is no need to decrypt it. It just asks the universe, "What was meant when this information was generated?"
In that case, maybe the limiting factor is the time since the last person to be involved with those markings who had knowledge of them. Something originally written a thousand years ago and optionally copied without understanding a few times since then might be harder to understand than something copied with understanding or originally written recently. Memorability might also be a factor -- little-known languages/dialects/jargon might fade faster than more widely used languages, ala Law of Precedence.
- Kettlekorn
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- Jarjaross
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My dreams take me to far off lands and times of distant past and future. They tell what has been done, what will happen and who I am. They show me things beyond the machinations of any man. Tell me, what are dreams to you?
- Arcanist Lupus
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It comes down to references, I think. I doubt that the spell can pull knowledge out of nowhere. So I would surmise that the spell must have access to some sort of "database" of language that it uses to translate with the same way that a mundane translator does. Either that or the spell pulls meaning directly from the intent of the writer, which sounds a) extraordinarily difficult and b) problematic for anything that isn't handwritten.
A spell with a database like that wouldn't be able to decode cyphers like a codebreaker would. But if the cypher was part of the database I see no reason the spell wouldn't be able to recognize it as a particularly strange and intricate language. The same with a code - if it were part of the database, then the spell could translate it out of the "code language" into language that Bianca could understand.
The problem with codes are that there is nothing that really distinguishes a code from the language it was based on, other than context. But to a certain extent, that is true of languages as well. The words 'hot dog' either refer to a sausage in a bun, or a overheated canine (or occasionally both ). If I say that a chick I know is sleeping with a stud, it probably doesn't mean that a baby chicken is snoozing with a stallion (or a piece of wood). If you wanted to, you could regard a code to be slang used by a very specific group of people. If the spell can handle slang, then I would expect it to be able to handle codes - if those codes are part of the database.
Which brings me to my next question, which is "How does the spell maintain its database?" This is where questions about dead languages become relevant (also, non-human and alien languages)
"Shared pain is lessened; shared joy, increased — thus do we refute entropy." - Spider Robinson
- Kristin Darken
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Bianca has a magickally created ability. That ability was not created and cannot really be used 'in every situation that you need a hammer' ... at its most basic, it is magick, and magick relies on intent. The intent was to obscure the powers of the White Lady and give only the legitimate bearer of those powers a way of understanding and using those powers while keeping them from other people. It was NOT created as a means of decrypting ANY and ALL encoded language. Is it possible that Similarity might allow the power to be stretched to serve as this sort of a key from time to time? Maybe. At a risk of overextending it and depleting it, which would leave the current and future White Ladies at huge risk. Like the old "Greatest American Hero" with a suit and no operating manual.
Fate guard you and grant you a Light to brighten your Way.
- Morpheus
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The waking world is but a dream.
- Otherself
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My English must really suck, reading Written in Blood I got the impression that the spell was meant to help the first White Lady, then she found a way to pass it down to her bloodline, then the third White Lady took advantage of the spell to create the Book after forming the Family.Kristin Darken wrote: I'd like to point out that mostly you all are looking at this like a tool off the tool rack. A hammer... can put any nail into any location? Right. Well no. It's mostly impossible to put a nail into a material that has little give (the material cracks instead of giving way to hold/grip the nail). You can only use a nail if you have room to swing it. Some nails are designed to be shot out of a nailgun by compressed air. And so on....
Bianca has a magickally created ability. That ability was not created and cannot really be used 'in every situation that you need a hammer' ... at its most basic, it is magick, and magick relies on intent. The intent was to obscure the powers of the White Lady and give only the legitimate bearer of those powers a way of understanding and using those powers while keeping them from other people. It was NOT created as a means of decrypting ANY and ALL encoded language. Is it possible that Similarity might allow the power to be stretched to serve as this sort of a key from time to time? Maybe. At a risk of overextending it and depleting it, which would leave the current and future White Ladies at huge risk. Like the old "Greatest American Hero" with a suit and no operating manual.
Anyway, I have to say that I'm a bit surprised by the fact that her fifth element is light, I don't know why but I didn't expect it.... but the real questions are: Bianca couldn't simply stop using her built in spell, she had to deplete them, why? Can she learn how to turn them off without wasting the remaining essence? Can she learn to recharge them using her essence, or using it to sustain the effect? (some say it's a waste of essence but they seems to be quite flexble as tools, she just has to learn using them effectively) Can she use multple elements at once, combining them to produce more complex and/or powerful effects? (for exemple lightning can be considered a manifestation of the Air element, but once upon a time it was considered a manifestation of the Fire element, can she combine fire and air to create lightning? Other exemples might be Air + Water = Ice, Earth + Fire = Metal, Earth + Water = Wood/Plants, all the elements combined = Life)
Other things she might want to aquire beside the supplies for making her own spell sheats are armor, PFG and some holdouts (and maybe a Möbius utility belt).... She will probably become very fond of miss Rogers' works..... And work together to produce warded clothes (and maybel build other useful effect in them too)....... And maybe collect magical trinket to help (and if Eldritch is still active and is aviable, maybe get an harvester as her atame, if she can afford it).
Speaking of holdouts, what kind of permit is granted by completing the firearms safety class? Is it valid just on campus? Does it come with concealed carry permit? Could Bianca find herself an air marshal as Loophole did in the past (is that law still in place?).... Sleep spells placed on subsonic rubber/gell round, might come handy if possible.
BTW, I was surprised that she didn't get the Avatar class, I suppose she will get it in the spring term.
- Valentine
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Don't Drick and Drive.
- Otherself
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I do not expect them to answer the questions here..... Well, maybe the one about the Firearms Safety class could be answered, after all it's background information rather than plot.Valentine wrote: Most of your questions can be answered by, That's why they write the stories. If the authors just answered the questions, there would be no reason to write a story.
Anyway, this is the character discussion forum, I think that it's normal to talk about the characters, and in this specific case about what I wonder about them. Don't get me wrong, I'm not upset, but I got similar aswers in the past and yes, I know, the answer will come in the story. I would like to be able to have a discussion without having it killed this way.
But maybe I should talk about Bianca's appearance instrad? After all Bryan was reshaped according to an ideal of what the White Lady should be, does she look like an exemplar, even if most people notice her for her lack of color? Could her appearance change over time as she gets more accostumed being female? How much of a babe is she?
- Valentine
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Don't Drick and Drive.
- Morpheus
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As for Bianca's appearance, if her pigmentation was normal, she'd be considered quite pretty for a normal girl her age, and that she'd probably grow up to be beautiful. Bianca has a regenerative ability which keeps her in good health and takes care of things like acne, which gives her a bit of an advantage, but she doesn't have exemplar looks or build.
The waking world is but a dream.
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- Sir Lee
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Otherwise, why stop at rubber-stamping? Bianca could xerox glyphs. Hell, she's not hurting for money (being the head-figure of The Family and stuff) -- she could order sets of 500 of each glyph, in nice card stock and easy-to-carry size, from any printshop that does business cards. They aren't that expensive. And the shapes of the glyphs themselves don't seem to be a secret. The only reason to not do so appears to be... that it wouldn't work.
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- Arcanist Lupus
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I agree with Sir Lee that the cost of mass production is likely to be a great deal of the effectiveness of her glyphs. If you want a "why", it's because WU magic is closely tied to intent. The glyph itself is meaningless without the will of the spellcaster to guide it, and a photocopier has no will to imbue its copies with.
Actually, now I wonder if it would be possible to create a "magical photocopier" which could actually "copy" intent. Something to propose to Eldritch, maybe.
"Shared pain is lessened; shared joy, increased — thus do we refute entropy." - Spider Robinson
- Valentine
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Sir Lee wrote: It's magic. My understanding of how magic works in the WU is that stuff has to handcrafted, otherwise it doesn't work very well -- something to the tune of the crafter putting something of themself into the casting. Mass-producing magical items (and rubber-stamping is a primitive form of mass-producing) is likely to yield poor results.
Otherwise, why stop at rubber-stamping? Bianca could xerox glyphs. Hell, she's not hurting for money (being the head-figure of The Family and stuff) -- she could order sets of 500 of each glyph, in nice card stock and easy-to-carry size, from any printshop that does business cards. They aren't that expensive. And the shapes of the glyphs themselves don't seem to be a secret. The only reason to not do so appears to be... that it wouldn't work.
Something like a stamp might be possible, but Bianca would likely have to carve the stamp herself and imbue it somehow with magic, and have a special ink also made by herself and imbued with magic. The stamp would likely wear out fairly quickly and in the end be more of a process than just creating the handwritten spell sheets herself.
So in the time it takes her to create say 100 Stamped "Fireball" spell sheets, she could have written 150 spell sheets with a mixture of "Fireball", "Fly", "Shield", "Entangle", and "Invisibility" just doesn't make it worth the while.
Don't Drick and Drive.
- Mister D
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This is an approach that would probably be covered in Magical Arts 101, or would extend from a combination of the techniques covered in class.
Whether Glyph uses that approach would depend upon how effective she is at studying/applying what she learns, and whether there are more effective techniques available to her as part of her Legacy.
Some chewy idea's. Looking forward to the next story.

Measure Twice
- Kristin Darken
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Topic Author
Fate guard you and grant you a Light to brighten your Way.
- Mister D
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Kristin Darken wrote: Remember, however, that the advantages of the White Lady legacy and being able to use these glyphs in this way... comes at a cost of not being able to access magick in the way that other Mages do. Bianca may be able to greatly benefit from tools that allow her to mass produce those glyphs... but she may not be able to create them. Magick generally doesn't like loopholes, because 'loopholes' exist in the context of poorly defined structures... (weak or ambiguous intent). For that matter... she may find that she IS able to bypass the established standard that restricts the White Lady... but that, in doing so, she's also broken the system by which the legacy works in the first place.
Very good point about the loopholes.
Like i said, chewy ideas.
Looking forward to reading the next episodes.

Measure Twice
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Mister D wrote:
Kristin Darken wrote: Remember, however, that the advantages of the White Lady legacy and being able to use these glyphs in this way... comes at a cost of not being able to access magick in the way that other Mages do. Bianca may be able to greatly benefit from tools that allow her to mass produce those glyphs... but she may not be able to create them. Magick generally doesn't like loopholes, because 'loopholes' exist in the context of poorly defined structures... (weak or ambiguous intent). For that matter... she may find that she IS able to bypass the established standard that restricts the White Lady... but that, in doing so, she's also broken the system by which the legacy works in the first place.
Very good point about the loopholes.
Like i said, chewy ideas.
Looking forward to reading the next episodes.
you know that you said that they will have Loophole walk up to her and actually bring up the idea for her to try lol
- Malady
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