Question Mimeo

For thoughts, speculation, and just random guesses about Mimeo.

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So, here are some questions:

Given how Loophole's new neurology from hosting Grizzly sort of broke her Gadgeteer Trait, would Mimeo have the same issue if he Mimicked a Gadgeteer and an Avatar with a heightened sense of smell?

Also, given that he gets DEV by being hit with Devises, and when he's a DEV he can make his own devises, could he make a Devise to hit him so he gets DEV?

Plus, isn't it a bit abnormal for a high-level EX to feel the effects of age, given their inherent Regen?

Lastly, I think Mimeo getting Jade's powers would reveal so much about them... ... Maybe...

The first time Mimeo copied Jade, he would probably not be able to do much with them unless he's be studying her. The second time, OTOH, he would probably reveal what utter powerhouse Jade is.

Regarding Ex-induced regen: no, I don't think so. It SLOWS the aging, but it doesn't STOP it.

Remember, Mimeo was born sometime in the Fifties. He's about fifty as of Gen1, but he looks younger than that, probably something in his thirties. When he gets a high Regen trait, he rejuves some years temporarily.

I don't think that its so much a matter of being hit by power X, as having a person use a power near him. Fighting with a person is a good way to get up close and personal, and it also gives him a clue on how they now how to use their powers. If I remember correctly he doesn't actually copy powers, but instead accesses his target's entire overpattern, allowing him to use any powers that they have.

When he went to school he studied all the powers (even magic) because he wanted to be able to effectively use any power or combination of powers he got.

I've always wanted to know what would happen if he tried to copy Sara. I doubt he'd enjoy it. Sara might, though.

Other than Sara, I've always thought that Outcast Corner would be the ideal team to take him down. Jericho is a Devisor, which isn't a particularly useful power to gain in combat. Mimeo could probably use his special eyesight, but that's it. Diamondback and Razorback are pretty powerful, but I'm not sure how well Mimeo could copy their powers, since it's wrapped up in their GSD, and I don't know how he copies GSD. And even if he did copy them fully, his combat skill likely wouldn't transfer to a foreign body (Also, he would probably inherit Jack's weakness to sonics). And minus the bodies, all he gets off of them is small ESP and WIZ ratings. And Caitlin... ignoring the problems with GSD, and the magical lightshow, Mimeo is successful because he can perfectly copy his opponents' abilities, and then apply them with superior skill and training. But he looses that advantage against Caitlin because her training is even better than his.

Arcanist Lupus wrote: I'm not sure how well Mimeo could copy their powers, since it's wrapped up in their GSD, and I don't know how he copies GSD.

Does his copying of Tennyo work as a GSD-Mimic Example?

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Also, how does he even get Regen from her, when her 'Regen' is more like "Summon Body Parts From Extradimensional Space", given what was said in her Crash?

Plus, how does his Mimic-Mimicking work, I guess he gets even more slots, but they're powers-based instead of his powerset-based?

no the body still moves like a human body.

Well a bout with Cyber Kitty would either work really well or really poorly, after all Cyberkitty knows how to fight regens, but her other non-energizer ability, could let Mimeo disappear digitally- or make him very nauseous.

Is the Precog who led to his meeting with Baron Z, Mrs. Potter? Or someone else?

... Maybe I should start a Mrs. Potter thread...

Kristin's mentioning of Mimeo crushing TK got me to thinking. He only faced part of TK, and didn't face the ones that would give him trouble.

Ayla
Hank
Nikki
Billie
Jade
Toni
Chou
Rip
Jinn

Those are the characters that had the potential to fight Mimeo. He kicked Ayla, Hank, Nikki, and Billie's butts.
Presumably he would do the same to Rip. That leaves Jade, Toni, Chou and Jinn. So how would Mimeo do against those four?

Jade. I doubt that Mimeo would figure out how to use her powers, until he figured out what she was doing. Of course the Regen 5 would make him near unstoppable. Winner Mimeo. (Unless Jade has a noodle.) If Jade is willing to kill him, she wins.

Chou. Chou has no powers to steal, but she has a nasty sword. Mimeo has 40 years of experience. If the Tao helps Mimeo is toast, if not Chou is in deep trouble.

Now the two interesting fights.

Toni. I think Mimeo is in trouble, the same sort of trouble Counterpoint found himself in. I think Toni will get busted up, but Mimeo will burn himself out by going all Yang. (Mimeo doesn't seem the type to be into balance.)

Jinn. Can Mimeo copy a power that exists independently? If so will copying Jinn help him? Jinn with Jade's attitude would rip Mimeo up before Mimeo realized what was happening. Jimm with her own attitude is a bit different. The question becomes can Jinn defeat Mimeo before Mimeo tears her apart.

With a power mimic, the order of battle also matters.

If someone with powers that trump yours looses to Mimeo first, you're toast. If Mimeo has no other powers, and its you vs. him,it comes down to how well you can solo Dark Phoenix you, now in this situation, Mimeo has a bit of an advantage as the is used to doing Dark Phoenix against people with their own powers, on the other hand, if the powers are pretty generic and the hero is used to fighting others "similar" to them (e.g. "PK Supermen"), then it might come down to experience using the powers rather, swinging the advantage back to the hero.

Unless they are inexperienced, but then that's not really a fight for Mimeo

The complication there is what powers would he be sitting on?

Base, un powered Mimeo, yeah maybe.

But with a decent power or 2 coppied?

Crazy Jade can kill anyone she can touch, as a recent micro explored, but would Jade go that crazy?
(Then again I do have pictures in my head of Jade getting her head ripped off, walking over to shove it back on then complaining about how difficult it is to get blood stains out of her costume)

Ohhh!

Halloween prank Jinn can play on people with a "Jade" skin pour and lots of fake blood!

Kristin Darken wrote: You should note that Mimic is not the same type of power mimic as Counterpoint.

Yeah. Mimeo's even better. ... Right? ... Mimeo vs. Counterpoint. Hmm...

Mimeo wins every time, 'cause he can copy what Counterpoint got, and base Mimeo has a higher level version of the same powers as base CP?

The key to defeating Mimeo in a straight up combat goes like this:

1. Find him when he is "empty" (no extra powers, only the ones he got directly from his mutation)
2. Go absolutely medieval on him _on the first strike_. Do NOT give him a chance to copy your power. Consider accidentally killing him as an "acceptable risk."

Other possible approaches involve engaging him *only* at range, and in an indirect way. For instance, for Billie a possible approach would be use her gravity warping to throw multiple-ton objects on him from afar. If he never interacts with her power (only with the effects of gravity and inertia of large objects), he can't copy it.

Successfully stratergy for defeating Mimeo all the time:

Catch him when he has no powers.

Send in the powerless baselines to take him out.

Pile them on and surround him so he can't escape. Mimeo is good, but against baselines the power of numbers, technology, guns, tasers, traps, it's all good and going to work fine, as long as you keep him away from any chance of copying powers.

.50 BMG, head shot at 1000 yds.

That'd do it right quick.

Part of what makes Mimeo so hard to beat is that he's become very good at choosing his battles and sticking to the types of fights where he has an advantage.

elrodw wrote: .50 BMG, head shot at 1000 yds.

That'd do it right quick.

Mimeo starts at Exemplar 5, would that kill him, or just annoy him?

Valentine wrote:

elrodw wrote: .50 BMG, head shot at 1000 yds.

That'd do it right quick.

Mimeo starts at Exemplar 5, would that kill him, or just annoy him?

Could he actually see it coming? Does he have Danger Sense?

Although, I think something similar was what happened to Sara on Halloween...

Valentine wrote:

elrodw wrote: .50 BMG, head shot at 1000 yds.

That'd do it right quick.

Mimeo starts at Exemplar 5, would that kill him, or just annoy him?

Like Sara, it'd do a number putting him down, at least for a bit. While he's down, apply an RPG or a flamenwerfer to the stunned body.

Or, you know, handcuffs.

I think killing a criminal renown for his 'non-leathal' stance might be sending the wrong message about crime and appropriate punishments.

Mimeo is also a good shapeshifter. Knowing that you are facing Mimeo in time for any strategy is one of the big problems fighting Mimeo.

Then hope that he mistakes a power-gem user for a mutant

mhalpern wrote: Then hope that he mistakes a power-gem user for a mutant

Can't he mimic Power Gem-ers too? Something about Overpattern Copy Power?

So... Devisors and gadgeteers would be good against Mimeo?

Yeah, as long as they're good fighters.
Which is why Mimeo doesn't like fighting them. He probably makes it a point to avoid them when possible unless they work on a team that has powers he needs.

A power mimic, as long as he has no other abilities, would be one Super Villian were the appropriate strategy for Super Heros is 'leave it to the cops'. The worst thing they could actually do is start mixing it up and giving the mimic access to all their powers.

Mimeo is a worst case, because he's aware of his weaknesses and makes sure as much as possible to only start things when the situation is in his favour, but the reality remains the same, the safest way to take him down is teams of highly trained baselines working together to corner and overpower him using conventional means.

Or someone who's power was unusual enough that he isn't trained to use it.

Jade comes to mind, along with Stephen. (Code name escapes me)

Phoenix Spiritus wrote: A power mimic, as long as he has no other abilities, would be one Super Villian were the appropriate strategy for Super Heros is 'leave it to the cops'. The worst thing they could actually do is start mixing it up and giving the mimic access to all their powers.

Mimeo is a worst case, because he's aware of his weaknesses and makes sure as much as possible to only start things when the situation is in his favour, but the reality remains the same, the safest way to take him down is teams of highly trained baselines working together to corner and overpower him using conventional means.

Unfortunately at Mimeo's base, he's an Exemplar 5, so the only baselines trained to take him down are the Dragonslayers.