Question Lodestone/Ironworks/Maxine Granger

There is a bit to talk about when it comes to this Ferokinetic unconfirmed Sidhe, like if she has a TK shell protecting her from allergies, if she is talented in a specific brand of magic and if she knows that she is magically active or not, what she first practiced her ferokinesis on (my bet is spoons). Who her father was and who killed him.

Also the question of if Maxine is her birth name, or one from after she manifested.

Umm... It's "Lodestone", not "Loadstone"...

Well, her powerset shouldn't be super complex, 'cause that's part of the Whateley Character Creation philosophy-thing...

Simplest would be a Ferrokinetic with a BIT that just looks like a Sidhe...

Most likely not due to Mad Science or Mad Magic, as we'd get hints of that already, if that were true?

I really need to go check her description to see what she's wearing... ... And we have no idea if she was wearing a full-body suit or anything. ... Unless that would have been remarkable enough for Bombastic to notice. And she didn't, so I guess it isn't there...

The dead supervillain-thug-father-thing reminds me of... Some fanfic with this daughter that had long fingers and was a Gadgeteer or Devisor where her dad might have been killed by a package he had to hold onto... Where is it...

Yes a strange bit would be a simpler explanation than a TK shell, except she already has a strong TK field that acts on electromagnetic fields, or so it seems, so a protective shell isn't a huge stretch, her TK seems comparable to Silver Ghosts but specific to manipulating ferrous materials, she might even be flight capable, after all, water responds to electromagnetic fields.

Malady wrote:
The dead supervillain-thug-father-thing reminds me of... Some fanfic with this daughter that had long fingers and was a Gadgeteer or Devisor where her dad might have been killed by a package he had to hold onto... Where is it...

From Father to Sister, by me.
Father was a smart thug, got hit with a bio-devise, and his, soon her, life went straight to hell from that point onwards.

Domoviye wrote:

Malady wrote:
The dead supervillain-thug-father-thing reminds me of... Some fanfic with this daughter that had long fingers and was a Gadgeteer or Devisor where her dad might have been killed by a package he had to hold onto... Where is it...

From Father to Sister, by me.
Father was a smart thug, got hit with a bio-devise, and his, soon her, life went straight to hell from that point onwards.

Oh! Yeah! That's it.

Maxine had no illusions about her father. He’d been a career criminal, who’d spent most of his life working as a thug, a legbreaker, and professional henchman for a string of different supervillains.

Her father had not been good man, but he’d been good to her. ...

When Maxine had first manifested as a mutant, a little more than a year ago, instead of being afraid, her father had been excited for her. ...

Those was the bit that resonated with me, if I'm reading Father to Sister right, 'cause Marie seems like she holds her father in the same light, well V1 vers. anyway.

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When Maxine had first manifested as a mutant, a little more than a year ago, instead of being afraid, her father had been excited for her. “One day,” he’d told her proudly, “you’re gonna be the bigshot supervillain, ordering around a bunch of mooks like me.”

Maxine smiled bitterly, thinking about the fact that it had been almost an entire year since he’d died. Afterwards, she’d been left all alone, and had done the only thing she could think of. She took care of her father’s unfinished business, settling old grudges and paying off old debts. And now, there was only one outstanding debt left. She would have to get revenge on the superhero who was responsible for his death.

Hmm... So, Maxine's dad died not long after she mutated... On re-read of Father to Sister... Perhaps he died while protecting Lodestone from something.

And a superhero being responsible for his death, doesn't mean that the super killed her father directly... Could be something like not saving him from a falling building, etc...

And his death happened sometime in 2006, but no earlier than Aug 19 2006. ... So the important point would be how much of an year is "almost an entire year"... And Maxine would have been 12 at that time...

If it is similar to Father vs. Sister, then I'd expect a super-doctor that's being held responsible for not saving her father... But, that's unlikely? And we don't have any father candidates to speculate on... ... I wonder if we even have enough info to make the correct guesses in the first place...

I wouldn't look for ANY similarities between the two stories. I think I've sent two messages to Morpheus about something completely unrelated, and Morpheus has more than enough talent to not need to read anything extra from fanfic for ideas.

Domoviye wrote: I wouldn't look for ANY similarities between the two stories. I think I've sent two messages to Morpheus about something completely unrelated, and Morpheus has more than enough talent to not need to read anything extra from fanfic for ideas.

Agreed... there are some VERY minor similarities... taking that line of thought too far would start to be insulting to Morpheus and was actually where I thought it was going on first read-through of this line of thought. You might want to be a little more respectful of the authors creativity, and sensitive to their feelings, when saying things that may be misconstrued as indicating that they're plagiarizing someone's else's work.

DanZilla wrote:

Domoviye wrote: I wouldn't look for ANY similarities between the two stories. I think I've sent two messages to Morpheus about something completely unrelated, and Morpheus has more than enough talent to not need to read anything extra from fanfic for ideas.

Agreed... there are some VERY minor similarities... taking that line of thought too far would start to be insulting to Morpheus and was actually where I thought it was going on first read-through of this line of thought. You might want to be a little more respectful of the authors creativity, and sensitive to their feelings, when saying things that may be misconstrued as indicating that they're plagiarizing someone's else's work.

Mmhmm, yeah, I could have phrased things better. Possibly a lot better. *sigh*

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So... Should we speculate on Maxine's father here? Basically, who he might be, but if even should guess at all, given the sparse info that we have?

Maxine's father is just as likely to be a baseline.

If he has appeared before, and assuming it was a Morpheus story, what story could it have been?

An Imp story is the only one that comes to mind that fits the timeframe.

Malady wrote:
So... Should we speculate on Maxine's father here? Basically, who he might be, but if even should guess at all, given the sparse info that we have?

Well we might as well, any info about him we will ever get will be directly tied into Maxine, the info we currently have may be sparse to guess now, but I have no doubt that we will glean more in the future.

annachie wrote: Maxine's father is just as likely to be a baseline.

If he has appeared before, and assuming it was a Morpheus story, what story could it have been?

annachie wrote: An Imp story is the only one that comes to mind that fits the timeframe.

Ah. Perhaps the "buddy Max" of "The Art Of Being The Imp Part 3" , who was killed by the "Crimson Kid". Imp said she dealt with him. Presumably, he might be dead...

If it is Max, would Maxine know that CK died? ...

CK's not dead:

The last I'd heard, he was now a drunk, living on the streets of Chicago and desperately trying to hide his identity from everyone.

But, if Maxine is Monster Max's daughter, would she know what happened to CK?

Also, Maxine and Max are similar names. ... Would someone name their daughter after themselves? ... Well, there are petronyms...

That 'Max' is Monster Max.

Hmm... Rachel ends up in Chicago as well. So, if Maxine's gunning for Crimson Kid, she's in the target zone...

Glow 3: "Chicago Illinois. Monday, Aug 27th, 2007"

Or more likely, he never showed up in a story, since the Crimson Kid event happened years ago.
It's possible to have a dead parent without the parent ever showing up.

Domoviye wrote: Or more likely, he never showed up in a story, since the Crimson Kid event happened years ago.
It's possible to have a dead parent without the parent ever showing up.

True, but if we do that, we have basically nothing to speculate about... But then again, I'm basically the only one that wants to speculate in the first place... I think? ... Not like I don't have other things to do...

I was leaning towards Maxine being an attempted snatch by Jack Rabbit that resulted in her father's death, who then of course ends up meeting Mishief when they both get to Whateley and they discover they have something in common.

But then, Maxine's revenge would be sorta... pointless. Jack Rabbit is a delusional, powerless, has-been who is missing a foot and lost whatever reputation he had as an hero, since Superhawk on the hero side and Imp on the villains side will no doubt spread the story about his M.O.. Killing him would be almost a mercy.

Come to think of it, killing the Crimson Kid would be sorta pointless too.

But then she might not know that yet.

Oh well, on to the next piece of rampant speculation I suppose

My guess is that Lodestone's target is Powerfist, the third applicant to the Liberty League mentioned. If he's been mentioned before I don't recall it, but he's described as having a "poor record of working with others", and his name is Powerfist. That sounds to me like a thug hero who hits first and doesn't mind the collateral damage - exactly the kind of hero most likely to have killed Maxine's dad. Plus, he and Maxine have been brought up in a single story in a single geographic area. We can't say for certain that they're both local, but it does help the odds a bit.

Who might Lodestone's mother be? ... It can't be a Sidhe. There are no half-Sidhe humans. Literally impossible without super-science/super-magic.

If Lodestone is a Sidhe, it'd be due to the mutation.

I'm speculating her mother is the source of her ferrokinetic powers. ... I was thinking the late Junkyard , but that's a technokinetic, not a ferrokinetic...

isn't Junkyard's situation more akin to straight up possession?

I don't remember where, but I vaguely recall there being canon examples of mutants with elvish appearances caused by BIT or GSD, rather than a Sidhe mutation. Can anyone confirm or deny that?

If so, I suspect that Lodestone is of that type - elvish in appearance, but not actually Sidhe.

Koala?

crystalhall.wikia.com/wiki/Koala

Arcanist Lupus wrote: I don't remember where, but I vaguely recall there being canon examples of mutants with elvish appearances caused by BIT or GSD, rather than a Sidhe mutation. Can anyone confirm or deny that?

If so, I suspect that Lodestone is of that type - elvish in appearance, but not actually Sidhe.

It is possible, but no where near as fun.