Question How many names are Meaningful?

In light of Polk Kitsune's reviews saying that Charge and Spark's names, are meaningful...

Jenny Etincelle, AKA: Spark (For those who wonder, her last name is the French word for 'spark' too. Does that count as a codename?) ...

Vitesse (translating to Speed)

How many other names are Meaningful ... And possibly a sign of Nominative determinism? Just unstudied and unnoticed and stuff...

Seraphim - Kerry Ellison is already known...

I think that this hasn't been discussed yet?

There will be and are a fair few "meaningful" names scattered among the student body in G2. Although there will also be a lot more names that came straight out of a random names generator. Take that for what you will.

Malady wrote: ..

Seraphim - Kerry Ellison is already known...

How is Kerry's name meaningful... Neither Kerry, Kieran or Ellison have anything to do with Religion or Angels... Nor Energy or Manifesting.

DanZilla wrote:

Malady wrote: ..

Seraphim - Kerry Ellison is already known...

How is Kerry's name meaningful... Neither Kerry, Kieran or Ellison have anything to do with Religion or Angels... Nor Energy or Manifesting.

crystalhall.wikia.com/wiki/Seraphim

==Name==
Kerry's name, "Kerry Ellison" is a play on the phrase Kýrie, eléison (Greek, Κύριε, ἐλέησον, for "Lord, have mercy"), most known outside Catholic circles through a song by the group Mr. Mister.

DanZilla wrote:

Malady wrote: ..

Seraphim - Kerry Ellison is already known...

How is Kerry's name meaningful... Neither Kerry, Kieran or Ellison have anything to do with Religion or Angels... Nor Energy or Manifesting.

'Kerry Ellison' is a play on 'Kyrie Eleision', a Greek term meaning literally 'God Help Me'. There are several Orthodox and Roman Catholic liturgies that use the phrase and are referred to as either Kyrie Eleisions or just Eleisions

Bek D Corbin wrote:

DanZilla wrote:

Malady wrote: ..

Seraphim - Kerry Ellison is already known...

How is Kerry's name meaningful... Neither Kerry, Kieran or Ellison have anything to do with Religion or Angels... Nor Energy or Manifesting.

'Kerry Ellison' is a play on 'Kyrie Eleision', a Greek term meaning literally 'God Help Me'. There are several Orthodox and Roman Catholic liturgies that use the phrase and are referred to as either Kyrie Eleisions or just Eleisions

Ahhh... there I was being all literal and looking at the pieces of the name separately...

Literally every name for a main character of mine has been crafted to have meaning, and in some cases more than one. A fair amount of other characters I've had a hand in have some meaning too.

Its an author thing. Some Authors are big on wordplay, hidden meaning, the "big reveal" that had been clearly foreshadowed if you were paying attention ...

... others just use name generators.

Though if you had ever been in any sort of Catholic choir "Kerry Ellison" stuck out like a sore thumb.

Phoenix Spiritus wrote: Though if you had ever been in any sort of Catholic choir "Kerry Ellison" stuck out like a sore thumb.

No kidding.

Bianca

Pronunciation of Bianca [bian-ca] as a girls' name is pronounced bee-AHNK-ah. It is of Italian origin, and the meaning of Bianca is "white, pure".

Phoenix Spiritus wrote: Though if you had ever been in any sort of Catholic choir "Kerry Ellison" stuck out like a sore thumb.

For myself I remembered that one from "Kyrie" by Poul Anderson, a short story that stuck the phrase in my mind forever.

(hikaru) meaning "brightness" "light"
(myoujin): LOTS of meanings here.

明神 輝 is Hikaru's name. (or how she writes it anyways)

Ono Taka (too lazy to look up the kanji I used for his name in my notebook, at work, so) means 'hawk of the rice fields'

>> Yes, I had some meaning there, too.

Bianca is a special case -- the name was chosen AFTER the transformation, and she comes from a family with strong European roots, where the knowledge of the name's meaning is probably commonplace.

But when I read "The Big Idea", seeing two surnames so... apropos, got me wondering if they were aliases -- perhaps the French government dislikes giving so much data on their citizens to the MCO (and other governments), and gives fake passports to their mutants when they go to Whateley. Alas, that epileptic tree was cut down by the Charge stories, where it was firmly established that Vitesse is not only the family name but also the brand on their wines.

... Is Amelie Vitesse's electrical powers a reference to Vitesse Semiconductor??

Sir Lee wrote: Bianca is a special case -- the name was chosen AFTER the transformation, and she comes from a family with strong European roots, where the knowledge of the name's meaning is probably commonplace.

But when I read "The Big Idea", seeing two surnames so... apropos, got me wondering if they were aliases -- perhaps the French government dislikes giving so much data on their citizens to the MCO (and other governments), and gives fake passports to their mutants when they go to Whateley. Alas, that epileptic tree was cut down by the Charge stories, where it was firmly established that Vitesse is not only the family name but also the brand on their wines.

The name Luke means light giving, and refers to how Luke Del Bosque was. The name Lucretia means 'profit' and refers to how Lucretia Del Bosque is. The name Lapin means Bunny or rabbit, and the name Del Bosque means "of the forest." so you have a light giving profitable bunny of the forest. All the names involved are latin excepting the Spanish surname.

When I decide to craft a name, I craft a name.

Sir Lee wrote: But when I read "The Big Idea", seeing two surnames so... apropos, got me wondering if they were aliases -- perhaps the French government dislikes giving so much data on their citizens to the MCO (and other governments), and gives fake passports to their mutants when they go to Whateley

I think your reading too much into things.

Some authors really get into the whole names have meaning thing and like to show off their use of words and other languages, and then it's starts rubbing off as they brag about thier prowess to their fellow authors

Malady wrote: ... Is Amelie Vitesse's electrical powers a reference to Vitesse Semiconductor??

Nope. It's just something I thought would be cool for her.

Phoenix Spiritus wrote:

Sir Lee wrote: But when I read "The Big Idea", seeing two surnames so... apropos, got me wondering if they were aliases -- perhaps the French government dislikes giving so much data on their citizens to the MCO (and other governments), and gives fake passports to their mutants when they go to Whateley

I think your reading too much into things.

Some authors really get into the whole names have meaning thing and like to show off their use of words and other languages, and then it's starts rubbing off as they brag about thier prowess to their fellow authors

Guilty.

I'm still hoping that Stacy will make it to Whateley in time to meet Kodiak.

(For those of you who don't remember, her two brothers are named Wyatt and Cody)

Most names have meaning, usually far more meanings than the authors imagine. And I have a simple rule: the strangest coincidence would be if there were no coincidences. For example, a reader could imagine that Hikaru referring to Lapin as Usagi could be a reference to the comic book character Usagi Yojimbo ( www.usagiyojimbo.com ), but it is actually due to the fact that usagi is Japanese for rabbit. The fact that Lapin and Usagi Yojimbo are both rabbits is truly a coincidence. (At least I assume so.)

We might see one of the French speaking characters referring to Bianca as Blanche, since blanche is a girl's name meaning "white" in French. If Hikaru can translate a name to Japanese, it would not be totally unreasonable for another character to translate a name or code name into his or her native language.

There was also a topic whateleyacademy.net/index.php/forum/the-.../342-name-generators discussing selecting names and the reasons for and against using random names.

By the way, the Japanese are fond of multilingual puns, such as Mach, Go Go Go (Speed Racer) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mach_Five tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Anime/SpeedRacer .

Superior's real name is Marvin K. Uberman. He is an Exemplar, although not all that powerful, or smart, or anything really.

If you want to make a long list, you can always go through the sortable name indices.

Dai Kaiju has a codename of Carapace and has a turtle like shell. Camera is a kaiju (Japanese movie giant monsters like Godzilla) who is a flying turtle. And Dai means big in Japanese.

Doctor Paine Deth is a former super villain known as Dr. Deth. I do believe that that counts as a meaningful name.

Doctor Able Palm could be a reference to the Palm line of personal data assistants.

If we try listing all of them, this topic could get very, very long.

Naldru wrote: If you want to make a long list, you can always go through the sortable name indices.

Dai Kaiju has a codename of Carapace and has a turtle like shell. Camera is a kaiju (Japanese movie giant monsters like Godzilla) who is a flying turtle. And Dai means big in Japanese.

crystalhall.wikia.com/wiki/Carapace

Well, we've got the Chaka story saying that his Anglicized name's Derek... There's the rename-for-secrecy explanation that Sir Lee's got, which makes even more sense as a security measure, given how the Japanese don't like/trust the MCO... Unless that's a Gen2 Japan thing only...

And there's possibilities there anyways, as we don't know most of the names of the Japanese students.

Naldru wrote: Doctor Paine Deth is a former super villain known as Dr. Deth. I do believe that that counts as a meaningful name.

That could be a legal renaming... Or one of those cases of Real Life meaningful names...

Naldru wrote: Doctor Able Palm could be a reference to the Palm line of personal data assistants.

That, I'll accept, as there are/were Palm Pilots in the Whateley-verse.

Naldru wrote: If we try listing all of them, this topic could get very, very long.

Possibly... But, I'm trying to restrict it to where the birthname is meaningful... And for the Kimbas, I can't find any... I'm thinking that we've got a large majority of the Meaningfuls in this thread.

I'm sure there are more, at least one is mentioned in story.

Majestic (Juno) has the first name of June.

Valentine wrote: I'm sure there are more, at least one is mentioned in story.

Majestic (Juno) has the first name of June.

I... can't argue with that. As that's a birth name... And I said that was my criteria... But, as Phase noted... There is the chance that meddling by the Olympians affected the naming of their hosts... And all the Olympians are younger than they should be if they immediately entered a host upon being given their hosts by the Oracle of Delphi, so there is time for meddling to occur.

... And if I'm that picky to rule out any blatant metaphysical causes... Would I have any examples? ... Possibly... Possibly not?

I think that there are two main categories of Significant Names:
- The "Justified Within the Setting" sort (name significance is deliberate, as in the case of Glyph and probably Majestic)
- The "Too Convenient By Far" sort, such as Spark and Charge.

Both are significant, both were engendered by the author... but in the first category, the author also bothered to create a logical justification for the significance.

Of course, there are these sorts of coincidences in real life (Usain Bolt, anyone?). Wikipedia calls them " Aptronyms ", and links to an entire wiki dedicated to such names. And, if you can waste a month or two, feel free to jump into the TVtropes page on "meaningful names"

And then there's the inadvertent but silly stuff in names. Adalie's mom, aunt, and little sister all go by Tessa! (That was a minor shit-head attack!) So when Addy says "Tessa", it's a question of "which one?"

Victor Rivera in the second generation stories has water based powers and water is found in rivers.

And then we have Eisenmädel ("Iron Girl" in German) whose family name is von Abendritter. Abendritter is German for "evening knight", which seems appropriate for a family of super spies (chivalrous deeds in the dark of the knight).

As I said, the list will be a long one.

Naldru wrote: Victor Rivera in the second generation stories has water based powers and water is found in rivers.

It's been speculated that Victor Rivera isn't his real name? ... Somewhere in Calamari Discussion... Not the article comments. That's just talking about what Rivera means...

I suck at puns. Just do. However, _any_ major charater I have plans for, names have meaning, _all the name_.

Musk's real name is Sue Kunque.

I think their are a few more like that.

Valentine wrote: Musk's real name is Sue Kunque.

I think their are a few more like that.

I don't get it...

Malady wrote:

Valentine wrote: Musk's real name is Sue Kunque.

I think their are a few more like that.

I don't get it...

First Initial and Last Name

DanZilla wrote:

Malady wrote:

Valentine wrote: Musk's real name is Sue Kunque.

I think their are a few more like that.

I don't get it...

First Initial and Last Name

Oh... Right... ... Didn't think it'd be that...

Well, Gloriana's real name is Gloria Everett, and Pendragon's real name is Arthur Smith...

Silver Rose , a manifestor of silver vines, a.k.a Sylvia Lytton. ... And Sylvia, in its original Latin relates to forests, and vines are a type of plant. ... ... Is that a stretch??

And then there's Superchick , a.k.a Misty Cooley... Which isn't a pun, or a subversion of MeaningfulName, as she doesn't have Ice powers or anything?

Yah, there are meaningful names, and then there are Meaningful Names...

Glorianna and Pendragon just might have drawn inspiration from their own names to choose their codenames -- Their powers are fairly generic, and their names are fairly common, so it's not much of a coincidence.

At the other end of the spectrum, there's Kerry Ellison... which sounds almost like predestination.

And "Countess" Tina Montgomery chose her name deliberately to be meaningful.

Hmm... Is there a case to be made for Aquerna? As an anagram or something? Anna Raquel Parsons...

It was thought of by Phase, though, so a happy coincidence? Or did he already know her full name by then?

Malady wrote: Hmm... Is there a case to be made for Aquerna? As an anagram or something? Anna Raquel Parsons...

It was thought of by Phase, though, so a happy coincidence? Or did he already know her full name by then?

Aquerna is another language's word for squirrel, can't remember which language. Yes, Phase was the one who suggested the name based on her powers, but it had nothing to do with her real name.

Dreamer wrote:

Malady wrote: Hmm... Is there a case to be made for Aquerna? As an anagram or something? Anna Raquel Parsons...

It was thought of by Phase, though, so a happy coincidence? Or did he already know her full name by then?

Aquerna is another language's word for squirrel, can't remember which language. Yes, Phase was the one who suggested the name based on her powers, but it had nothing to do with her real name.

That MAY have been a case where the codename helped develop the real name... maybe even subconciously.

I think at some point Anna lampshades that she likes her codename because, besides being original and smart-sounding, it sorta resembles her name....

Oh, and "Aquerna" comes from Middle English, if memory serves well.

Sir Lee wrote: I think at some point Anna lampshades that she likes her codename because, besides being original and smart-sounding, it sorta resembles her name....

Yep, whateleyacademy.net/index.php/content-me...el-s-mouth-chapter-2 :

It was sort of a weird coincidence that her name was Anna Raquel Parsons, and you could pick letters out of her whole name to spell her codename. Or was that kind of normal anytime you had a codename that was mostly vowels?

... On the "Did Phase know Anna's full name" thing, I'm asking 'cause he's got that big spy network / info on most/all the students? Or something? ... But, maybe just coincidence?

Malady wrote:

Sir Lee wrote: I think at some point Anna lampshades that she likes her codename because, besides being original and smart-sounding, it sorta resembles her name....

Yep, whateleyacademy.net/index.php/content-me...el-s-mouth-chapter-2 :

It was sort of a weird coincidence that her name was Anna Raquel Parsons, and you could pick letters out of her whole name to spell her codename. Or was that kind of normal anytime you had a codename that was mostly vowels?

... On the "Did Phase know Anna's full name" thing, I'm asking 'cause he's got that big spy network / info on most/all the students? Or something? ... But, maybe just coincidence?

I doubt it, because it was early in the semester when he suggested both Aquerna's and Kamuro's names. Sept 26, in Ayla and the Tests Part 1.

Actually, Ayla probably did choose "Aquaria" because of "Anna".

Ayla knows a lot of languages, and would know multiple words for squirrel. He offered the one that started with "a" though

Phoenix Spiritus wrote: Actually, Ayla probably did choose "Aquaria" "Aquerna" because of "Anna".

Ayla knows a lot of languages, and would know multiple words for squirrel. He offered the one that started with "a" though

Fixed that for you, Phoenix.

NeoMagus wrote:

Phoenix Spiritus wrote: Actually, Ayla probably did choose "Aquaria" "Aquerna" because of "Anna".

Ayla knows a lot of languages, and would know multiple words for squirrel. He offered the one that started with "a" though

Fixed that for you, Phoenix.

And once again autocorrect bites

I copied and pasted that too

Just found out that "Del Bosque" could mean "Of the Forest"... So, would "Lucretia Del Bosque", the bunnygirl, be meaningful, or just coincidental?

'Cause such a name could work for a deer avatar or something, too?

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And I got ninja'd all the way back from page 2. Ha!

Revisiting this quickly... while it is not a meaningful name in any real sense, Phase's original name is a reference to the character Trevor Goodchild , a recurring villain/anti-villain from Æon Flux. Mrs. Cantrell even calls Ayla 'Goodchild' a few times by mistake.

And of course there's Ecila Mason, but that one is pretty transparent (especially since her introductory prologue was almost word for word the beginning of Alice's Adventures in Wonderland... until it wasn't).