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Question If those of you logged in tonight would please?

9 years 2 months ago #1 by Kristin Darken
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  • If those of you logged in tonight would putter around with the new menu setup a bit and make sure you still have access to everything you had before and that nothing pops out at you as strange, broken or otherwise unaesthetic... I think I've managed to get a working menu system in place that doesn't need drop down menus or the side bar. Which should make some of the mobile users happy.

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    9 years 2 months ago - 9 years 2 months ago #2 by Phoenix Spiritus
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  • If you edit your profile you loose the menu bar at the top totally.

    Correction: if you are looking at a profile, any profile not just your own, the menu bar is lost.
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    9 years 2 months ago #3 by Phoenix Spiritus
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  • "Authors" is misleading, suggest "Authoring" instead?
    9 years 2 months ago - 9 years 2 months ago #4 by Phoenix Spiritus
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  • And because I can't help being difficult, is it possible to create a category called "trash" or something like that we can banish the stuff we don't want to see anymore to so that it doesn't clog up the other categories?
    Last Edit: 9 years 2 months ago by Phoenix Spiritus.
    9 years 2 months ago #5 by Arcanist Lupus
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  • I feel like the forums should be the default page of the community tab, with the statistics as a separate page. Unless you have a specific reason for having people look at the statistics before getting the forums, which I expect will be the more popular destination.

    I like what I see so far! The changing menu bar is a bit weird at first, but you get used to it really quickly, and navigating is easy and fast.

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    9 years 2 months ago #6 by Kristin Darken
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  • Can't default to the forums page itself without causing other problems... I tried. I could point it at something else other than the statistics panel, I just don't 'HAVE' something else to point it at right now.

    The Author 'button' / tab is only visible to people with the ability to create stories... so its not going to be misconstrued as anything else by anyone who isn't an author. Just like none of you can see the button/tab for Admin options. Supposedly.


    I don't really think a trash/delete option is necessary. My reasons:
    1. I've already modified the category structure so that the published stories lists (for Library, Fan Fic, 2nd Gen, and Orig Timeline) no longer show the in progress works. So when you go to the Stories menu and look at those sub categories, everything you see there is completed published stories.

    2. The "In Progress" and "In Review" categories are divided up between story type, so no one list of those will have a 'lot' of articles in them... unless we have dozens of active authors keeping the pipeline full. Remember, most people will still be working on stories offline... and only putting them into the system to format and then post to review for publication.

    3. Once all stories are migrated from the old site, there will rarely be large blocks of stories moving through the system at any given time.

    4. If you are working on something that is no longer wanted, simply change the title and delete/replace the text within it. The file doesn't care what story is in it.

    5. In the rare instance that something really just needs to be deleted instead of reworked... just PM me to do it.


    The idea of a delete in your hands isn't disastrous... but keep in mind that the full extent of the vetting process to giving someone fan fiction author authority is for them to PM me saying they want to post stories.

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    9 years 2 months ago #7 by Kristin Darken
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  • Profile edit menu loss fixed.

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    9 years 2 months ago #8 by Nagrij
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    9 years 2 months ago #9 by NeoMagus
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  • Perusing through the new menu setup, I'm liking what I'm seeing overall. It surprised me a bit at first, but it is rather intuitive and easy to get used to. The only thing that really stands out to me as something that might merit some attention has already been pointed out, specifically that the community tab launches into the Statistics page first thing, which feels kind of odd to me.

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    9 years 2 months ago - 9 years 2 months ago #10 by Dreamer
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  • Checked all the newly sorted tabs out and everything is working fine here. Little freaked out at first because I leave it on the forum page most of the time and hit refresh if I've gone a while to see what is new and said page didn't exist, until I noticed the community tab and remembered you mentioning that you were going to set it up this way.

    For the community tab, instead of defaulting to the statistic page, how about the policy/FAQ page instead, that is if that doesn't cause any problems of its own for you to set up, Kristin. It would mean new members are sent straight to the rules and FAQ page with a chance to read it before heading into the forums.

    Thank You for story comments appreciated and help me know me they are being read and liked. :-) Note: My story comments can't nor are trying to replace reading the stories, simply my way of enjoying them and letting the authors know I enjoy them.
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    9 years 2 months ago #11 by Malady
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  • So, on the Statistics page, the blue bar at the top should be empty except for the green bust and its dropdown menu?
    9 years 2 months ago #12 by shadeofred
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  • Was the forum option in the drop down menu intentionally removed from the home page? Also, the options in that menu change depending on which page you are currently on. I believe the common practice for a menu like that is having it consistent across all pages.

    The forum access thing is easily fixed by a second bookmark, but it just seems awkward.
    9 years 2 months ago #13 by Arcanist Lupus
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  • shadeofred wrote: Was the forum option in the drop down menu intentionally removed from the home page? Also, the options in that menu change depending on which page you are currently on. I believe the common practice for a menu like that is having it consistent across all pages.

    The forum access thing is easily fixed by a second bookmark, but it just seems awkward.

    The goal here was to remove all drop down menus, since they were causing some users problems, so yes, it was intentional.

    It is a bit unusual to have the main menu items to change, but I think that this is the most efficient way to organize things without drop downs, and you get used to navigating it really quickly.

    The only other alternative I can think of would be to have two rows of menus - a top level menu with "Home", "Stories", "Community", and "WA Universe" and a second menu which changes depending on which section you are in, but I'm guessing that that setup is undesirable or unmanageable.

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    9 years 2 months ago #14 by Sir Lee
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  • Well... the only aspect I'm not really thrilled about of the new layout is the enforced hierarchical navigation -- that is, if you want to move to a different "branch" of the structure, you have first to go back to the "trunk", with no "branch-to-branch" jumping. Seems a bit too rigid to me.

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    9 years 2 months ago #15 by shadeofred
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  • Oh, the format the page takes on my tablet in portrait view still has the drop downs..... and this is not an accusation or anything, as Kristen has already mentioned that the supported format is landscape.

    But anyways the disappearance of the forum option from the main page is a bit odd.
    9 years 2 months ago #16 by Kristin Darken
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  • Sir Lee wrote: Well... the only aspect I'm not really thrilled about of the new layout is the enforced hierarchical navigation -- that is, if you want to move to a different "branch" of the structure, you have first to go back to the "trunk", with no "branch-to-branch" jumping. Seems a bit too rigid to me.

    Only way to avoid that would be a second menu as someone mentioned above. With a main menu providing the big categories I've currently got on the 'main' menu and with an entirely separate menu selecting the specific pages to use. Unfortunately, this template doesn't support using the modules that way.

    I don't really like having to reload the page to change the options on the menu... but I don't know a way to do that that doesn't require overlays or drop downs. So other than building an entirely different front end for mobiles, this is what we've got.


    Policy page vs statistics? Hmm.. should be doable. Let's try that.

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    9 years 2 months ago #17 by Kristin Darken
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  • Malady wrote: So, on the Statistics page, the blue bar at the top should be empty except for the green bust and its dropdown menu?

    Correct.

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    9 years 2 months ago #18 by rubberjohn
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  • Aside from my automatic reaction on logging in of WTF??? where's the buttons gone? the only real problem I've had so far was when I went to check my messages and then couldn't find my way back to the home page. I finally had to click on the text line beneath 'The Crystal Hall' site logo to get back to where I started.

    It usually takes me a few days to learn my way around new site layouts but, for now, my chief suggestion is to ensure that every page has a clearly visible 'Home' button to get you back to where you started before you got lost!.

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    9 years 2 months ago #19 by Kristin Darken
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  • Uh... all the menus have a Home button. If you found one that didn't, you caught it in the middle of a change where I was tweaking something... or something is actually broken. Since its been 15+ hours since the last of the changes, if this 'just' happened, you might want to refresh / clear your cache of the WA site so you're not loading strange disjointed stuff.

    BTW though... there's ALWAYS a home option. Clicking on the Crystal Hall banner at the top left will always take you to the front page of the site.

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    9 years 2 months ago #20 by rubberjohn
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  • Thanks Kristen, that was the way I finally got out of the mail page.

    When I was in the mail page I had NO menu buttons at all! To get there from the login I had clicked on the message that I had a mail message waiting for me (in the login/logout box) as, at that point, I hadn't found any other way to get there.

    As I mentioned it always takes me a few days to get used to changes in page layouts and I just couldn't find anything when I first arrived on site. It's probably more MY fault than a fault with the site but it might be worth checking in case it was an unusual circumstance that led to the problem I experienced.

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    9 years 2 months ago #21 by Kristin Darken
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  • Well, I just worked out a way to handle the two menu thing... so things are changed again. I kinda like how this looks too... bit more streamlined, little more flexibility for not being stuck moving through every part of the tree (though no way to avoid some of that without pull downs or a really large menu list).

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    9 years 2 months ago #22 by DanZilla
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  • Kristin Darken wrote: Well, I just worked out a way to handle the two menu thing... so things are changed again. I kinda like how this looks too... bit more streamlined, little more flexibility for not being stuck moving through every part of the tree (though no way to avoid some of that without pull downs or a really large menu list).


    That seems to work well to keep the quick accessibility of the main links and the necessary links for the section you're in. Assuming you're talking about the second main menu in the upper right.
    9 years 2 months ago #23 by Kristin Darken
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  • Yes, moved the main menu to the upper right, put the sub menu center instead of left... and tweaked the CSS to give them more of a button appearance. I like how it looks... not sure yet about functionality, but its not immediately causing me to grind my teeth, so that's a positive :)

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    9 years 2 months ago #24 by Arcanist Lupus
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  • Looks pretty good. And I think the forum rules make for a more logical landing place than the statistics did, so that's nice too.

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    9 years 2 months ago - 9 years 2 months ago #25 by Phoenix Spiritus
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  • I'm liking the two menu system too, looks good, and the forum rules as landing page are a nice reminder.

    With the forum rules though, the comments might get a bit distracting. Is there are way to make the comments of the rules a clickable option like they are for some of the other pages?
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  • It's somewhat annoying that everytime I save a "Fanfiction" story, it jumps back to the main menu, and since I have to enter the story, then go back and change it to "Staff-Review" and my bosses internet sucks (anywhere from 30 seconds to minutes to load a page) it is a bit of a pain, that will likely end after a few dozen more stories.

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    9 years 2 months ago #27 by Kristin Darken
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  • I don't have any control over where the save deposits you, I don't think.

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    9 years 2 months ago #28 by Valentine
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  • Kristin Darken wrote: I don't have any control over where the save deposits you, I don't think.


    Once the migration is over, it won't really matter.

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